> Hi Ori
> Origyptian wrote:
> >> When I look at a doorway like the following from the Qertassi
> > quarry (1st century A.D. Roman quarry in Egypt), I see an
> > original, older facade that has been cut back into a recess in
> > order to create a doorway in relief. This suggests that the
> > doorway (and surrounding niches) may be the result of
> > repurposing a much older structure...
> It most likely is exactly that. I base that on the style, condition, the recess.
> There is some slight room for doubt.
> But help me try and understand what you are trying to say?
> Back to the start. This was built in Rome by Romans. It has
> lots and lots of stone including massive granite columns!
> Are you suggesting the Romans appropriated , stole, relocated , reused all of them?
> That is a massive amount of stone to pinch ... from who?...
> they were far more organised than most we have reliable records for!
> Even those stupid AE if you believe orthodox Egyptologists.
> What about all the other stone ?
> The floor did they scab that up from some Jewish temple and relay it?
> Ori earlier you replied to me and said:
> Thanks, Corpuscles, I've seen many videos showing how a guy in
> a pickup truck pulls up to a large granite block in the woods
> and splits it clean in half with a dozen steel wedges.
> I'm simply looking for the physical evidence that the Romans
> did the same thing in 1st millennium B.C.
> At this point, I'm not claiming they couldn't do it, I just
> haven't seen the evidence yet.
> They either quarried stone or they did not.
> If they did not then they transported it.That effort alone
> would suggest they weren't hopeless numbnuts.
> Were they capable of building breath taking buildings and
> engineering marvels but
> had to pinch columns and in fact all their stone?
> Are you suggesting granite is a special case?
> Splitting stone is the same practice.
> Granite is more difficult but one does not have to drill it (as
> I think implied by Jon earlier)
> it needs to be chiselled in several aligned grooves, then
> feather/ wedged /split.
> Now if they can build a structure like the Pantheon and dozens
> of other structures still standing are you saying they were incapable
> of splitting granite?
> What is this evidence you seek? What would satisfy you?
> I am really SERIOUSLY curious.
> An ancient book? ... nah could be a forgery!
> A trip in a special DeLorean with Michael J Fox?.. nah must
> have been hallucinating! etc etc
> Please reply.....it has bugged me for a while... as most of the
> hard evidence for anything ancient is long gone
> lost or in a museum, or in a secret private collection, or
> reused, destroyed and so on!
I don't understand why you and others here are harping on whether the Romans were "capable" of that. I've never commented on "capability" at all. For that matter, the egyptians were "capable" of using diamonds to drill granite, but they didn't. They were "capable" of building wheeled vehicles and pulleys but they didn't. They were "capable" of flying in kites, but they didn't. When we look at the ancient artifacts, it's not important how it COULD have been done; what's important is how it WAS done. And right now, the evidence I see in those "quarries" indicates repurposing, not original construction.
In truth, I don't understand how a civilization the size of the Roman Empire could "forget" how to quarry granite such that it wasn't until the 1800s A.D. that Europe finally rediscovered the technology. I realize there were wars, some conquering, disease and pestilence, but the entire technology was lost until the 1800s?
If Hadrian really did get his Pantheon columns from Mons, they may already have been pre-fabbed by the earlier civilization there and simply repurposed them for the Pantheon. I have to believe you can understand that doing so would be a helluva lot easier than hewning them raw from the bedrock.
And yes, I consider 60 ton granite columns to be a "special case". It's not at all relevant to the technology required to sculpt marble statues, build a concrete dome, or lay tile floors.
And I'm frankly surprised by your sarcasm here when all I'm seeking is evidence. I'd love to see your evidence that the Romans really did quarry those 60 ton columns in one piece from the stone at the Mons "quarry". Are there any columns only partially hewn, or shaped, or finished before they were abandoned? Are there any examples of the vehicles used to transport those columns? Why are all the columns there apparently finished yet broken with apparently none unfinished? Where is the authentication of the dating methods used at those quarries?
How can any of us ever know, when all we can do is think?