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Hi,

It's good on you too Steve!

Let me make a copy of my reply to Skatha, as follows.

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Atlantis, the existence is about 11,600 years ago (according to Plato). From this age until today, human has been travelling all over the world bringing his culture, myth, legend, language, religion, etc. We cannot compare the modern civilization to the Atlantis' in respect to the location, language, tradition etc since their origins beyond 10,000 years ago are difficult to trace. My book does not discuss these things, conjectures can be made but with uncertain basis.

Sundaland sank gradually, this is no doubt. The destruction of Atlantis was by a flood (according to Plato). This can be interpreted as a real flood from a river, a tsunami or likewise, this was also possible in the area in question. The observation of the remains of Atlantis was (or were) made some thousand years after its destruction (as written by Plato). The remains were only a few meters below the water. Due to estuary sedimentation, volcanic ash, etc, the location was muddy. It was impassable. If you read my book, the present location in question is also impassable because of the existence of a coral reef.

Talking about domestication origins can be a long debate, even among the experts. The proofs are not easily found and change over time as new evidences found. Proofs in Sundaland are difficult to investigate as it is now underwater. Even, the inland proofs are not easily investigated because they were underground due to volcanic ash as thick as 10 m or more, also under sea water. The existing archaeological remains were mostly found by chance.

Talking about domestication of horse, it is also not so many proof. The oldest evidence that is known is about 5,000 years ago or more in Botai culture, residents of Central Asia. However, Equus ferus, the wild horse as the ancestor of the domesticated horse, inhabited Yukon and Alaska in the Ice Age, which extinct more than 10,000 years ago. The Ice Age horse crossed the Bering Land Bridge into Asia and then Europe. Judging from Siberian Pleistocene mummies, Eqquus ferus looked similar to the wild Asiatic horse. So, it is possible that the horse was also domesticated in Asia, especially Sundaland along with the beginning of civilization in this area.
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I just replied the Skatha's points in general because I did it while I was working.

* The Indonesian language is not related to Greek -> Paragraph 1
* Indonesians don't worship Poseidon -> Par 1 and in my book, also see my reply to Porta
* They didn't have horses/horse races 10,000 years ago -> Par 3 & 4
* Indonesians were not the first to domesticate the horse -> Par 3 & 4
* Sundaland sank gradually -> Par 2
* the remains of Atlantis is an impassible plan of mud (not gone beneath
the waves) -> Par 2
* No Indonesians conquered all of the world except Athens -> Par 1
* Athens did not defeat Indonesia -> Par 1
* Ancient Lybia was much larger than the modern state -> in my book and has been addressed by others
* There is no tradition in Indonesia of the kind of society that Plato
talks about -> in my book, to much to describe

I make my research not from today's evidences that can be seen directly through our eyes as no one can do that but from an approach of probability, as what was done by Prof Santos. I make a lot more specific details than what he did, as meant in the title of my book "Atlantis: The lost city is in Java Sea".

I make the approach in some parts:
1. Probability that Atlantis is in Sundaland
2. Probability that Atlantis city is in Java Sea and its territory in the Sundaland
3. Discussions on possibilities of the existing conditions that match Plato's description
4. Some conjectures based on the existing conditions.

Hypothesis up to the localization of Atlantis in Sundaland is more or less like other's hypotheses that support the subject, so that it is not on my focus. Further hypothesis, I found some new evidences to point that Atlantis is located in Java Sea. Here are some of them:

* The plain of Atlantis. Plato mentions in specific details about its size, orientation, geography, flora, fauna, etc.
* The channel system. Plato also describes the channel system in specific details about their dimensions, arrangements, activities, etc.
* Other conditions matching Plato's descriptions. These are like the strait, the sea, the ocean, the minerals, the gods, the myths, the folklore, the tradition, etc.
* Some others that they are too many to write in this discussion.

Once again, I point out that I use probabilistic approach in my research so that the drawn conclusions are from the most probable ones. I have been searching in other places, not only in Indonesia, to make the hypothesis.

If you want me to discuss a specific subject then I will address.

Please give me some feedback so that this discussion is alive!

Cheers!
Dhani



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Re: Evidences of existence of Atlantis 1169 Dhani Irwanto 22-Apr-15 11:04
Re: Evidences of existence of Atlantis 1047 Porta 22-Apr-15 17:57
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Re: Evidences of existence of Atlantis 930 D-Archer 23-Apr-15 09:26
Re: Evidences of existence of Atlantis 917 Dhani Irwanto 23-Apr-15 10:47
Re: Evidences of existence of Atlantis 918 D-Archer 24-Apr-15 12:30
Re: Evidences of existence of Atlantis 898 Dhani Irwanto 24-Apr-15 13:05
Re: Evidences of existence of Atlantis 827 D-Archer 24-Apr-15 15:51
Re: Evidences of existence of Atlantis 832 Dhani Irwanto 25-Apr-15 12:08
Re: Atlantis: The lost city is in Java Sea 849 Dhani Irwanto 22-Apr-15 17:46
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This is Dr. Arysio Santos' Theory and Research 1025 Deep1 26-Apr-15 17:06
Re: This is Dr. Arysio Santos' Theory and Research 947 Dhani Irwanto 26-Apr-15 20:51
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The geography of Atlantis as described by Plato 879 Dhani Irwanto 14-May-15 16:55
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Re: Cave found by George Grey 1838 747 Dhani Irwanto 12-Nov-15 03:47
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Re: Odoric of Pordenone 362 Dhani Irwanto 17-Dec-17 01:23
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Re: Odoric of Pordenone 370 Dhani Irwanto 17-Dec-17 07:25
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Land of Punt is Sumatera 1238 Dhani Irwanto 15-Nov-15 05:11
Conference 905 Dhani Irwanto 12-Dec-15 20:20
Re: Atlantis: The lost city is in Java Sea 614 Dhani Irwanto 09-Sep-16 00:15
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Re: Athens meteor strike 539 molder 16-Sep-16 21:12
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Re: Atlantis: The lost city is in Java Sea 651 Dhani Irwanto 16-Sep-16 16:27
Why Atlantis will not be found here 837 David L 01-Oct-16 15:42
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