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Inspired from papers and writings on the existence of the lost civilization of Atlantis by Plato, I made a research for over 5 years. Indonesia in recent years have seen an increasing number of supporters for the idea of Atlantis being located in the vicinity of today's archipelago, prior to the ending of the last Ice Age, on the submerged continental shelf now frequently referred to as Sundaland.
My research evidences that the majority of Plato's phrases are true supporting that the lost civilization of Atlantis is in Sundaland, and the capital city was most probably at the Java Sea off the coast of Kalimantan, as follows (updated October 27, 2017).
1. At a distant point in the “Atlantic Ocean” (ancient Greek understanding)
(Timaeus: 24e)
2. The way to other islands
(Timaeus: 24e)
3. Might pass to opposite continent encompasses true ocean
(Timaeus: 24e)
4. Larger than “Libya” and “Asia” (Asia Minor) combined (ancient Greek understanding)
(Timaeus: 24e – Critias: 108e)
5. The landscape of the whole country, at the region on the side of the ocean, was very lofty and precipitous.
(Critias: 118a)
6. Two-season climate – “summer” (dry) and “winter” (wet)
(Critias: 112d, 118e)
7. Abundant of water benefit of the annual rainfall
(Critias: 111c)
8. Excellently attempered climate
(Critias: 111e, 112d)
9. Fertile, best soil for carpenter, agriculture and farming
(Critias: 111e, 113c)
10. Abundant of food supply for every animal, wild or tame, to sustain a civilization and to create an army (about 20 million people)
(Critias: 111e, 118b, 118e, 119a)
11. Vast diversity of flora and fauna
(Critias: 114e, 115a, 115b)
12. Elephant, horse, “bull” and dolphin
(Critias: 114e, 116e, 117c to 117e, 119b, 119d to 120a)
13. “Fruits” having a hard rind, affording drinks and meats and ointments
(Critias: 115b)
14. “Fruits” which spoil with keeping, consoled after dinner
(Critias: 115b)
15. Roots, herbage, woods and essences distilled from “fruit” and flower
(Critias: 115a)
16. Cultivated “fruit”, dried, for nourishment and any other, used for food – common name ‘pulse’ (grain)
(Critias: 115a)
17. “Chestnuts and the like, which furnish pleasure and amusement
(Critias: 115a)
18. All of them were wondrous and in infinite abundance.
(Critias: 115a)
19. Gold
(Critias: 114e, 116c, 116d)
20. Silver
(Critias: 114e, 116c, 116d, 116e)
21. Tin
(Critias: 116b, 116c)
22. “Brass”/“bronze” (copper, tin and zinc)
(Critias: 116b, 116c)
23. “Orichalcum”, more precious mineral than anything except gold, flashing, red color
(Critias: 114e, 116c, 116d)
24. “Orichalcum” was dug out of the earth in many parts of the land.
(Critias: 114e)
25. Immediately about and surrounding the city was a level plain.
(Critias: 118a)
26. The plain was smooth and even.
(Critias: 118a)
27. The plain was surrounded by mountains which descended towards the sea.
(Critias: 118a)
28. The plain looked towards the south, sheltered from the north.
(Critias: 118b)
29. The mountains surrounding the plain celebrated their number, size and beauty, with many wealthy villages of country folk, rivers, lakes and meadows.
(Critias: 118b)
30. Plenty of wood of various sorts on the plain – abundant for each and every kind of work.
(Critias: 118b)
31. The general shape of the plain was rectangular and oblong.
(Critias: 118a, 118c)
32. The plain was extending in one direction 3,000 stadia (± 555 km), across the center inland 2,000 stadia (± 370 km).
(Critias: 118a)
33. The perimeter ditch was incredible in size, unexpected that they were artificial.
(Critias: 118c)
34. The perimeter ditch was 100 ft (± 30 m) deep, 1 stadium (± 185 m) wide, 10,000 stadia (± 1,850 km) long.
(Critias: 118c)
35. The perimeter ditch received streams from the mountains.
(Critias: 118d)
36. The inland canals were straight, about 100 ft (± 30 m) wide, 100 stadia (± 18.5 km) intervals and let off into the perimeter ditch.
(Critias: 118d)
37. Transverse passages were cut from one inland canal into another.
(Critias: 118e)
38. The inland canals and transverse passages were means for transporting wood and products in ships.
(Critias: 118e)
39. Irrigation streams were tapping from the canals.
(Critias: 118e)
40. The irrigation streams supplied water to the land in “summer” (dry) but rainfall in the “winter” (rainy) yielding two crops in a year.
(Critias: 118e)
41. The island city was in a sea surrounded by a boundless continent, the other is a real ocean.
(Timaeus: 25a)
42. The city was in front of a strait.
(Timaeus: 24e, 25a)
43. There were some islands in the sea.
(Timaeus: 24e – Critias: 114c)
44. Immediately about and surrounding the city was a level plain and all the canals met at the city and drained into the sea.
(Critias: 118a, 118d)
45. A small hill (the central island) and a vast level plain near the sea were accessible by ships, vessels and boats from the sea.
(Critias: 113c, 113e)
46. The sea at the Atlantis city “is now” (Solon’s time) impassable and impenetrable because of a “reef of clay/mud” (coral reef), caused by “subsidence” of the island (sea level rise).
(Timaeus: 25d)
47. The ruin of the city is now under the sea.
(Timaeus: 25d)
48. The city was beyond bordering monuments, the (ancient) Greek called them “the Monuments of Heracles”.
(Timaeus: 24e, 25c – Critias: 108e, 114b)
49. Hot and cold springs
(Critias: 113e, 117a)
50. White, black and red stones
(Critias: 116a, 116b)
51. Hollowed out rock for roofs of double docks
(Critias: 116a, 116b)
52. “Poseidon” (sea or water god, law founder, driving sea creatures, supreme god in earlier time)
(Critias: 113c to 113e, 116c, 116d, 117b, 119c, 119d)
53. “Heracles” (son of the supreme god, outrageous birth, has insatiable appetites and being very rude, brutal and violent)
(Timaeus: 24e, 25c – Critias: 108e, 114b)
54. “Bull” sacrifices
(Critias: 119d to 120c)
55. Temple or pyramid
(Critias: 116c, 116d, 116e, 117c, 119c)
56. Maritime activities
(Critias: 114d, 115c to 116a, 117d, 117e, 119b)
57. Advanced civilization in the era
(Timaeus: 24e, 25a)
58. Destructed 9,000 years before Solon (about 11,600 years ago)
(Timaeus: 23e – Critias: 108e, 111a)
59. Earthquakes and “floods” from the sea (tsunami)
(Timaeus: 25c, 25d – Critias: 108e, 111a, 112a)
60. Sunken ceaselessly (post-glacial sea level rise)
(Timaeus: 25d – Critias: 111b, 111c)
I am authoring the book discussing the above matters, now available in Amazon's Kindle eBook: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WCLEF1U or http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6027244917.
A brief summary of my research, the latest one, is published in a website here: https://atlantisjavasea.com. This publication is periodically updated as per new findings.
A Youtube video here summarizes all of those.
To refine my research further, if anybody could give me inputs or comments, I will highly appreciate. These are for open-minded people who can think "outside the box"!
Thanks.
Best regards,
Dhani Irwanto
Post Edited (26-May-15 23:43)
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 27-Oct-17 04:56 by Dhani Irwanto.
My research evidences that the majority of Plato's phrases are true supporting that the lost civilization of Atlantis is in Sundaland, and the capital city was most probably at the Java Sea off the coast of Kalimantan, as follows (updated October 27, 2017).
1. At a distant point in the “Atlantic Ocean” (ancient Greek understanding)
(Timaeus: 24e)
2. The way to other islands
(Timaeus: 24e)
3. Might pass to opposite continent encompasses true ocean
(Timaeus: 24e)
4. Larger than “Libya” and “Asia” (Asia Minor) combined (ancient Greek understanding)
(Timaeus: 24e – Critias: 108e)
5. The landscape of the whole country, at the region on the side of the ocean, was very lofty and precipitous.
(Critias: 118a)
6. Two-season climate – “summer” (dry) and “winter” (wet)
(Critias: 112d, 118e)
7. Abundant of water benefit of the annual rainfall
(Critias: 111c)
8. Excellently attempered climate
(Critias: 111e, 112d)
9. Fertile, best soil for carpenter, agriculture and farming
(Critias: 111e, 113c)
10. Abundant of food supply for every animal, wild or tame, to sustain a civilization and to create an army (about 20 million people)
(Critias: 111e, 118b, 118e, 119a)
11. Vast diversity of flora and fauna
(Critias: 114e, 115a, 115b)
12. Elephant, horse, “bull” and dolphin
(Critias: 114e, 116e, 117c to 117e, 119b, 119d to 120a)
13. “Fruits” having a hard rind, affording drinks and meats and ointments
(Critias: 115b)
14. “Fruits” which spoil with keeping, consoled after dinner
(Critias: 115b)
15. Roots, herbage, woods and essences distilled from “fruit” and flower
(Critias: 115a)
16. Cultivated “fruit”, dried, for nourishment and any other, used for food – common name ‘pulse’ (grain)
(Critias: 115a)
17. “Chestnuts and the like, which furnish pleasure and amusement
(Critias: 115a)
18. All of them were wondrous and in infinite abundance.
(Critias: 115a)
19. Gold
(Critias: 114e, 116c, 116d)
20. Silver
(Critias: 114e, 116c, 116d, 116e)
21. Tin
(Critias: 116b, 116c)
22. “Brass”/“bronze” (copper, tin and zinc)
(Critias: 116b, 116c)
23. “Orichalcum”, more precious mineral than anything except gold, flashing, red color
(Critias: 114e, 116c, 116d)
24. “Orichalcum” was dug out of the earth in many parts of the land.
(Critias: 114e)
25. Immediately about and surrounding the city was a level plain.
(Critias: 118a)
26. The plain was smooth and even.
(Critias: 118a)
27. The plain was surrounded by mountains which descended towards the sea.
(Critias: 118a)
28. The plain looked towards the south, sheltered from the north.
(Critias: 118b)
29. The mountains surrounding the plain celebrated their number, size and beauty, with many wealthy villages of country folk, rivers, lakes and meadows.
(Critias: 118b)
30. Plenty of wood of various sorts on the plain – abundant for each and every kind of work.
(Critias: 118b)
31. The general shape of the plain was rectangular and oblong.
(Critias: 118a, 118c)
32. The plain was extending in one direction 3,000 stadia (± 555 km), across the center inland 2,000 stadia (± 370 km).
(Critias: 118a)
33. The perimeter ditch was incredible in size, unexpected that they were artificial.
(Critias: 118c)
34. The perimeter ditch was 100 ft (± 30 m) deep, 1 stadium (± 185 m) wide, 10,000 stadia (± 1,850 km) long.
(Critias: 118c)
35. The perimeter ditch received streams from the mountains.
(Critias: 118d)
36. The inland canals were straight, about 100 ft (± 30 m) wide, 100 stadia (± 18.5 km) intervals and let off into the perimeter ditch.
(Critias: 118d)
37. Transverse passages were cut from one inland canal into another.
(Critias: 118e)
38. The inland canals and transverse passages were means for transporting wood and products in ships.
(Critias: 118e)
39. Irrigation streams were tapping from the canals.
(Critias: 118e)
40. The irrigation streams supplied water to the land in “summer” (dry) but rainfall in the “winter” (rainy) yielding two crops in a year.
(Critias: 118e)
41. The island city was in a sea surrounded by a boundless continent, the other is a real ocean.
(Timaeus: 25a)
42. The city was in front of a strait.
(Timaeus: 24e, 25a)
43. There were some islands in the sea.
(Timaeus: 24e – Critias: 114c)
44. Immediately about and surrounding the city was a level plain and all the canals met at the city and drained into the sea.
(Critias: 118a, 118d)
45. A small hill (the central island) and a vast level plain near the sea were accessible by ships, vessels and boats from the sea.
(Critias: 113c, 113e)
46. The sea at the Atlantis city “is now” (Solon’s time) impassable and impenetrable because of a “reef of clay/mud” (coral reef), caused by “subsidence” of the island (sea level rise).
(Timaeus: 25d)
47. The ruin of the city is now under the sea.
(Timaeus: 25d)
48. The city was beyond bordering monuments, the (ancient) Greek called them “the Monuments of Heracles”.
(Timaeus: 24e, 25c – Critias: 108e, 114b)
49. Hot and cold springs
(Critias: 113e, 117a)
50. White, black and red stones
(Critias: 116a, 116b)
51. Hollowed out rock for roofs of double docks
(Critias: 116a, 116b)
52. “Poseidon” (sea or water god, law founder, driving sea creatures, supreme god in earlier time)
(Critias: 113c to 113e, 116c, 116d, 117b, 119c, 119d)
53. “Heracles” (son of the supreme god, outrageous birth, has insatiable appetites and being very rude, brutal and violent)
(Timaeus: 24e, 25c – Critias: 108e, 114b)
54. “Bull” sacrifices
(Critias: 119d to 120c)
55. Temple or pyramid
(Critias: 116c, 116d, 116e, 117c, 119c)
56. Maritime activities
(Critias: 114d, 115c to 116a, 117d, 117e, 119b)
57. Advanced civilization in the era
(Timaeus: 24e, 25a)
58. Destructed 9,000 years before Solon (about 11,600 years ago)
(Timaeus: 23e – Critias: 108e, 111a)
59. Earthquakes and “floods” from the sea (tsunami)
(Timaeus: 25c, 25d – Critias: 108e, 111a, 112a)
60. Sunken ceaselessly (post-glacial sea level rise)
(Timaeus: 25d – Critias: 111b, 111c)
I am authoring the book discussing the above matters, now available in Amazon's Kindle eBook: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WCLEF1U or http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6027244917.
A brief summary of my research, the latest one, is published in a website here: https://atlantisjavasea.com. This publication is periodically updated as per new findings.
A Youtube video here summarizes all of those.
To refine my research further, if anybody could give me inputs or comments, I will highly appreciate. These are for open-minded people who can think "outside the box"!
Thanks.
Best regards,
Dhani Irwanto
Post Edited (26-May-15 23:43)
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 27-Oct-17 04:56 by Dhani Irwanto.
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