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Hi Heron,

The interpretation that Atlantis was inside the strait comes from the following phrases (there are several translations but the meanings are the same):
Timaeus 24e: "and there was an island [land] situated in front [beyond] of the strait [mouth] which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles ..."
Timaeus 25a: "for this sea [ocean, salt water] which is within the Strait [Mouth] of Heracles [of which we speak] is only [there is] a harbor [haven, the city of Atlantis] ..."
and
"Now in this island [land] of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire [a confederation of kings] ..."

I could not see that the Athens was inside the strait, but the Egyptians was:
Timaeus 25b: "the men of Atlantis had subjected the parts of Libya within the Pillars of Heracles as far as Egypt..."
and
"This vast power, gathered into one, endeavored to subdue at a blow our country (the Egyptians) and yours (the Athens) and the whole of the region within the straits (the others) ..."
and
"generously (the Athens) liberated all the rest of us (the Egyptians and the others) who dwell within the pillars."

The interpretation that the Athens was outside the strait comes from:
Critias 108e: "the war which was said to have taken place between those who dwelt outside the Pillars of Heracles and all who dwelt within them"
and
"Of the combatants on the one side, the city of Athens was reported to have been the leader and to have fought out the war; the combatants on the other side were commanded by the kings of Atlantis..."
It means that the Athens was outside the strait as Atlantis was in the inside, and both of them were adjoining.

Other supporting statement that the Athens was in or near Sundaland is:
Abstracted from Critias 111b and 111c:"the Athens which formerly had a vast and fertile land, had sunk all around and all that remains were small rocky parts, and only a few trees growing and consists almost entirely of bare land so that rain water flows only just on it and then lost to the sea..."
It shows that the Athens was highly influence by the last glacial sea water rise, just like Sundaland.

There have been several theories about the causes of the catastrophe, among others are by a meteor strike, a devastating volcano eruption, a slide of thick and wide polar ice into the sea, sudden change in climate due to changes in temperature, heating of the earth by a large solar flare and even a nuclear explosion. But none of them can satisfactorily explain with certainty.

Dhani



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 16-Sep-16 23:26 by Dhani Irwanto.

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Re: Evidences of existence of Atlantis 916 Dhani Irwanto 23-Apr-15 10:47
Re: Evidences of existence of Atlantis 917 D-Archer 24-Apr-15 12:30
Re: Evidences of existence of Atlantis 898 Dhani Irwanto 24-Apr-15 13:05
Re: Evidences of existence of Atlantis 827 D-Archer 24-Apr-15 15:51
Re: Evidences of existence of Atlantis 831 Dhani Irwanto 25-Apr-15 12:08
Re: Atlantis: The lost city is in Java Sea 848 Dhani Irwanto 22-Apr-15 17:46
Re: Atlantis: The lost city is in Java Sea 881 Skatha 23-Apr-15 01:50
Re: Atlantis: The lost city is in Java Sea 849 Dhani Irwanto 23-Apr-15 04:18
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Re: Atlantis: The lost city is in Java Sea 817 Dhani Irwanto 23-Apr-15 11:14
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Re: Atlantis: The lost city is in Java Sea 614 Dhani Irwanto 09-Sep-16 00:15
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