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wow! ok, i've never come across this at all.
and if it is true, then what a bombshell piece of info!
SC, can you please give more info about this story of the allen family account?
is there a record of brewer making this claim (of vyse, etc actually physically painting in the GP) contemporary with the time period that it (the paintings/fallout) supposedly took place?
this would be a much more credible claim at this early time- before accusations of forgery- than that of a later family member (his great grandson) making the claim decades on because it would not have the stigma of 'revenge' against the 'famous' guy who wronged his ancestor (or whatever) associated with it.
of course (i am assuming until further SC info) by the allens time the actual claims by others of forgery were now out of the box and commonly circulating and therefore the allens could also just easily avenge their ancestor by saying 'it's true- grandpa said it happened back then and we didn't tell anyone, but now that others are saying it happened, then yes, vyse was a bad guy...'. thereby harming the old enemy, vyse. this version of the 'revenge' event is quite believable.
obviously this revenge attempt could exist at g-pappy's time also, except that there is one insurmountable fact/problem that makes it completely ludicrous to entertain: if there is no public claim of forgery at this time, why- and how- would g-pappy brewer invent the painting story? why that particular, specific story- if he's making up claims to discredit vyse he could have said anything (like, i don't know- 'he was carousing with tarts all th' nights long in crypts! they'd no shame in the eyes of god!', etc. anything). brewer would have to be nostradamus to invent the perfect 'gotcha!' for later when someone else (is sitchin the source of the claims?) started putting unanswered questions next to each other and dawning that there might be a forgery...
no, unless allen/brewer is straight-up lying late in the game, this is an incredibly damning accusation, now that we're all aware of the legitimate questions surrounding the khufu cartouche. what a coincidence- later forgery charges, and an earlier eyewitness account of exactly such?!
finally, there is THE big problem that (assuming the allen-story to be true) is simply impossible to get around:
if there was ANY painting going on whatsoever, vyse is doomed to eternal discrediting for forgery, regardless of what he added, be it smudge or 'khufu-brand construction, inc'.
so the question we must ask is this- if vyse/crew added or.. ahem.. 'fixed' any red ochre marks at all ("faint marks were repainted, some were new"), well, why?
if allen is to be believed, the answer is clear to anyone looking for the truth as opposed to looking for info that supports your investments in the subject...
more on this please, SC!
and if it is true, then what a bombshell piece of info!
SC, can you please give more info about this story of the allen family account?
is there a record of brewer making this claim (of vyse, etc actually physically painting in the GP) contemporary with the time period that it (the paintings/fallout) supposedly took place?
this would be a much more credible claim at this early time- before accusations of forgery- than that of a later family member (his great grandson) making the claim decades on because it would not have the stigma of 'revenge' against the 'famous' guy who wronged his ancestor (or whatever) associated with it.
of course (i am assuming until further SC info) by the allens time the actual claims by others of forgery were now out of the box and commonly circulating and therefore the allens could also just easily avenge their ancestor by saying 'it's true- grandpa said it happened back then and we didn't tell anyone, but now that others are saying it happened, then yes, vyse was a bad guy...'. thereby harming the old enemy, vyse. this version of the 'revenge' event is quite believable.
obviously this revenge attempt could exist at g-pappy's time also, except that there is one insurmountable fact/problem that makes it completely ludicrous to entertain: if there is no public claim of forgery at this time, why- and how- would g-pappy brewer invent the painting story? why that particular, specific story- if he's making up claims to discredit vyse he could have said anything (like, i don't know- 'he was carousing with tarts all th' nights long in crypts! they'd no shame in the eyes of god!', etc. anything). brewer would have to be nostradamus to invent the perfect 'gotcha!' for later when someone else (is sitchin the source of the claims?) started putting unanswered questions next to each other and dawning that there might be a forgery...
no, unless allen/brewer is straight-up lying late in the game, this is an incredibly damning accusation, now that we're all aware of the legitimate questions surrounding the khufu cartouche. what a coincidence- later forgery charges, and an earlier eyewitness account of exactly such?!
finally, there is THE big problem that (assuming the allen-story to be true) is simply impossible to get around:
if there was ANY painting going on whatsoever, vyse is doomed to eternal discrediting for forgery, regardless of what he added, be it smudge or 'khufu-brand construction, inc'.
so the question we must ask is this- if vyse/crew added or.. ahem.. 'fixed' any red ochre marks at all ("faint marks were repainted, some were new"), well, why?
if allen is to be believed, the answer is clear to anyone looking for the truth as opposed to looking for info that supports your investments in the subject...
more on this please, SC!
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