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Just stopping by to set a couple of things straight.

As far as I am concerned, Vyse intended a circle in the smaller disc. As you can see (image below) the centre mark in the top circle looks like the letter 'C' and that, to my eyes, appears to be an incomplete circle. The line above this appears to me to be Vyse (as he has done with many of his other graphics throughout his journal), placing a strike-through across this particular graphic. I should also point out that I am not the only researcher who considers that Vyse intended to draw a disc with circumpunct i.e. Ra.



Using Stower's cropped corner from Vyse's journal page, Frank Doernenburg writes this:

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'"He couldn't get a sense out of the "Kh", therefore he philosophises on this page of his journal about the possibility to write a "Re" with lines in it instead of a dot... On the right side [sic]he notes, that this disc can also be written with a dot in the middle (the small circle on top) ..." From here:The Horus Name

I should add here, this is a small point. Even if this were a "misfire" attempt at drawing a circle with 3 lines, it doesn't affect at all what I am arguing but, actually, strengthens it because what Stower is, in fact, implying is that Vyse, when he knows he has to accomodate lines in the disc he would then make such space. So why didn't he do so in the disputed cartocuhe on that page with just the blank disc? (Thanks for the help, Stower).


Stower then alleges I did not see the caption "in Cambell's Chamber" in Vyse's journal entry. I suggest he did not properly read my 'Atlantis Rising' article, particularly page 70 where I write:

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“...On June 16 (over 3 weeks later) he draws the plain blank disc again from the chamber (we know this because of the two dots under the snake and also because Vyse writes alongside 'in Campbell’s Chamber')."

So, far from missing the caption alongside the disputed cartouche as Stower alleges, the caption is there and is used by me in the article to demonstrate the contradiction Vyse presents on this page between the two cartouches i.e. how he has drawn a Khufu cartouche with blank disk from Cambell's Chamber and then draws a Khufu cartouche with hatched disc from Campbell's Chamber. Since there is only one clearly visible Khufu cartouche in this chamber, they cannot both be right. (Hint: easier to add than to take away).

As for the chronology--Stower typically goes off half-cocked. If he had properly read what I have actually written in the article, he would have found this (again p.70):

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"Here's the chronology we learn from his diaries. On May 27 Vyse inserts into his notes a [Khufu cartouche] with plain blank disc. It's there we can see it. On June 16 (3 weeks later) he draws the [Khufu cartouche with the] plain blank disc again from the chamber...I suspect, however, Vyse placed the entire inscription there shortly after entering this chamber and later modified the [plain] disc by adding the three lines [around 16th June]..."

I have not said anywhere that Vyse faked the entire inscription, as Stower alleges, on 16/17th June--quite the opposite. I clearly say it was done earlier (i.e. around 27th May) but with a plain disc (i.e. a disc devoid of the 3 lines) and that Vyse added the 3 lines to his earlier entry 3 weeks later around 16/17th June and that is what he is deliberating on this page before the drawings would be sent off to London 3 days later (with neither the cartouche or crew name facsimiles verified by an independent witness, I might add).

On page 68 of my AR article, I write:

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"The second cartouche (Figure 2), also found by Vyse, is presented only in his handwritten journal (he didn’t publish this)..."

I repeat (contrary to Stower's half-cocked slur), this cartouche as we observe it in Vyse's journal entry of 16/17th June with blank disc and two staff-like glyphs in the crew name was NOT published in Vyse's finished book. If Stower can show me that specific set of hieroglyphs in Vyse's book then I shall happily concede the point.

That is me for the moment. But I shall hopefully return to this when time permits. I am presently writing Part II of this article, which will present further evidence from Vyse's journal and other sources that clearly show that Vyse and his team faked these entries--and if he could fake these hieroglyphs in Campbell's Chamber he could have done so in the other chambers.

Now, where's my fountain pen?


SC



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