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eyeofhorus33 wrote:

> This is fallacious. The myths which survive do not attest to
> this idea in any way or form. He was, in fact, killed in most
> versions of the Osirian myth which demonstrates he was 'living'
> and not "born dead", as you have claimed.

Of course your conclusions could be right. But, your story of Osiris is Greek in origin and not Egyptian. Even if it were Egyptian it is derived from the book of the dead and not the Pyramid Texts. This "story" isn't known from before the Greeks and is not supported by the PT. I can't even really tell you what the PT says because everything it says is contradicted somewhere else leading to any interpretation anyone chooses to make.

Whether or not he was "born dead" is mere semantics but the simple fact is he was a mummified non existent being and came into existence as a mummified non existent being according to Egyptology. Yes, He is also considered the annual flood since the PT specifically state he is cool water that tosses at Giza. So he is a non existent being who was born dead and is cool effervescent water. He is many other things as well such as the non existent being who falls in the ndit-canal after being slayed by set with the help of thot.

You can't get a handle on the PT because it is not consistent in our terms. Each god is first and powerful. Each god has highly nwegative attributes as well;

1267a. Let not Osiris come in this his evil coming;
1267b. do not open to him thine arms.
1267c. Let him be gone; let (him) go to Ndi.t; at once; let him be gone to ‘dȝ.

So he's a non-existent being who was born as a mummy and dies in the ndit-canal on a regular basis while other times leaking corpse drippings in heaven which people need a sharp soul and to walk on tip toe to get through. Of course this same non-existent being is also cool water at Giza.

We even know that Osiris smells like the eye of horus;

1754. To say: Osiris N., take to thyself the odour of the eye of Horus, like the eye of Horus, which he traced by its odour.

But these corpse dripping smell good it would seem;

1801c. it will collect thy flesh; it will let thy evil sweat flow to the ground.
1802a. Take its odour to thee, that thy odour may be sweet like that of Rē‘,
1802b. when he ascends in the horizon, and the gods of the horizon delight in him.
1803a. O N., the odour of the eye of Horus is upon thee;

I could go on like this all day because the PT really is about osiris and his nature and according to Egyptology this is the most convoluted and illogical referent ever devised by the minds of man. Osiris is simply an impossibility even as a belief because it requires one to hold contradictory concepts and definitions. This is the PT; constant contradiction and inconsistency. There's no "story" in it and there's no reason whatsoever to beliueve it has the same meaning as the book of the dead.

It's like Egyptologists went to extreme effort to translate this so anyone could read it and then they neglected to actually read it themselves. Meanwhile the physical evidence has been getting pounded into a framework of this utter nonsense for a century and a half. In other words they take "osiris" to be a "god" who happens to have whatever attributes are relevant to aspecific conversation. Other conflicting attributes are simply ignored until they become relevant.

These problems hardly apply only to "osiris", they apply to almost every proper noun in the PT as well as many regular nouns like "boat". Trying to express an understanding of ancient people in such terms simply causes a person to sound like a mystic. Forcing the physical evidence into this creates a paradigm incapable of making accurate predictions.

It's hard to rule out any theory when the evidence is so shallow and open to such broad interpretation. Even the evidence appears to be in doubt in some cases though obviously the pyramid was buily by Suphis, Cheops, Khufu, or whomever.



Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 1138 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 537 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 502 Nejc 11-May-13 16:15
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 514 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 508 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 586 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 551 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
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Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 504 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 524 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 416 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 501 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 501 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 509 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 603 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 511 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 454 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 578 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 491 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 490 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 437 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 507 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 569 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 495 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 465 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 464 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 554 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 496 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 578 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 566 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 16:26
Logbook doubts 483 Merrell 16-May-13 21:38
Re: Logbook doubts 538 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 22:46
Re: Logbook doubts 436 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
Re: Logbook doubts 503 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 08:00
Re: Logbook doubts 495 Merrell 17-May-13 14:30
Re: Logbook doubts 527 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 14:56
Re: Logbook doubts 492 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 475 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 443 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 529 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 589 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 616 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 418 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 501 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 543 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 544 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 473 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 508 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
Re: Logbook doubts 424 Morten 21-May-13 10:40
Re: Logbook doubts 508 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 519 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 548 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
Re: Logbook doubts 504 Morten 21-May-13 13:19
Re: Logbook doubts 602 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
Re: Logbook doubts 503 Merrell 21-May-13 14:16
Re: Logbook doubts 507 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:27
Re: Logbook doubts 549 Merrell 21-May-13 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 531 Morten 21-May-13 14:37
Re: Logbook doubts 497 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:54
Re: Logbook doubts 528 Morten 22-May-13 10:51
Re: Logbook doubts 557 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:13
Re: Logbook doubts 436 Audrey 22-May-13 02:20
Re: Logbook doubts 498 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
Re: Logbook doubts 460 Martin Stower 22-May-13 15:02
Re: Logbook doubts 477 Audrey 24-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 671 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:43
Re: Logbook doubts 392 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
Re: Logbook doubts 422 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 13:15
Re: Logbook doubts 535 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
Re: Logbook doubts 521 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
Re: Logbook doubts 460 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 493 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 486 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 594 eyeofhorus33 11-Jun-14 22:18
Re: Logbook doubts 520 Audrey 12-Jun-14 21:22
Re: Logbook doubts 460 eyeofhorus33 12-Jun-14 22:20
Re: Logbook doubts 462 cladking 13-Jun-14 00:24
Re: Logbook doubts 444 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 22:53
Re: Logbook doubts 451 cladking 13-Jun-14 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 459 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 456 cladking 14-Jun-14 00:17
Re: Logbook doubts 480 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
Re: Logbook doubts 533 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 479 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
context and customs 424 Audrey 14-Jun-14 19:25
Re: context and customs 418 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 485 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 472 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 463 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
Re: Logbook doubts 496 cladking 15-Jun-14 00:29
Re: Logbook doubts 489 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 468 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 484 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
Language doubts 440 cladking 15-Jun-14 21:48
Re: Language doubts 446 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 459 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 457 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 505 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 374 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 483 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 444 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 445 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 423 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 398 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 470 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 450 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 447 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 532 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 461 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 438 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 314 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 488 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 458 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 464 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 462 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 433 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
Re: Conspired....inspire d by money 491 Ratcho 03-Jun-13 05:57
Re: Logbook doubts 404 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:23
Re: Logbook doubts 463 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
Re: Logbook doubts 461 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:25
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Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 487 Martin Stower 30-May-13 12:48
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 468 WINDINWATERS 30-May-13 14:40
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 367 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:00
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 429 WINDINWATERS 31-May-13 21:47
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 415 LonelyAngel 30-May-13 17:43
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 416 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:24
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 473 cladking 01-Jun-13 03:28
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 461 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 399 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 419 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 635 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 465 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
Re: Logbook doubts 484 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 886 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 728 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
Re: Logbook doubts 536 Merrell 19-May-13 16:43
Re: Logbook doubts 469 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 428 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
Re: Logbook doubts 555 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 13:58
Re: Logbook doubts 442 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 463 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
Re: Logbook doubts 495 HungryHun 20-May-13 22:02
Re: Logbook doubts 460 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:05
Re: Logbook doubts 476 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 463 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 478 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
Moghrah 483 Merrell 21-May-13 18:09
Re: Logbook doubts 362 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 23:38
Re: Logbook doubts 384 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 397 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 442 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
Re: Logbook doubts 462 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 10:42
Re: Logbook doubts 421 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
Re: Logbook doubts 402 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 17:44
Re: Logbook doubts 339 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
Re: Logbook doubts 336 cladking 23-May-13 00:51
Re: Logbook doubts 348 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
Re: Logbook doubts 380 Martin Stower 20-May-13 19:19
Re: Logbook doubts 292 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 19:35
Re: Logbook doubts 419 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
Moderator Warning 493 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:12
Moderator Warning 402 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:11
Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 367 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
Re: Logbook doubts 413 Audrey 22-May-13 02:50
Re: Logbook doubts 354 Merrell 22-May-13 12:53
Re: Logbook doubts 332 Audrey 24-May-13 01:48
Moderator Caution 283 Hoppy 22-May-13 12:55
Re: Logbook doubts 271 Martin Stower 22-May-13 16:06
Re: Logbook doubts 253 Audrey 24-May-13 01:41
Re: Logbook doubts 249 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:56
Re: Logbook doubts 237 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:40
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 318 Thanos5150 16-May-13 19:41
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 283 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 21:56
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 270 Thanos5150 16-May-13 23:11
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 249 Dr. Troglodyte 17-May-13 00:01
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 288 Thanos5150 17-May-13 00:30
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 254 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
Moderator Caution 301 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:09
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 220 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 262 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 250 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 228 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 177 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 208 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 252 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 235 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 239 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 217 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 269 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 211 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 223 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 220 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 210 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 208 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 216 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 192 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 218 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 244 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
More Vyse wickedness 233 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:14
Re: More Vyse wickedness 314 Scott Creighton 19-May-13 09:01
Re: More Vyse wickedness 326 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:44
Re: More Vyse wickedness 330 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:56
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Re: More Vyse wickedness 340 Audrey 22-May-13 02:42
Moderator Caution 266 Hoppy 20-May-13 17:57
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 253 Audrey 14-Jun-14 21:11
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Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 231 Scott Creighton 15-Jun-14 00:13
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