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eyeofhorus33 wrote:

> This is fallacious. The myths which survive do not attest to
> this idea in any way or form. He was, in fact, killed in most
> versions of the Osirian myth which demonstrates he was 'living'
> and not "born dead", as you have claimed.

Of course your conclusions could be right. But, your story of Osiris is Greek in origin and not Egyptian. Even if it were Egyptian it is derived from the book of the dead and not the Pyramid Texts. This "story" isn't known from before the Greeks and is not supported by the PT. I can't even really tell you what the PT says because everything it says is contradicted somewhere else leading to any interpretation anyone chooses to make.

Whether or not he was "born dead" is mere semantics but the simple fact is he was a mummified non existent being and came into existence as a mummified non existent being according to Egyptology. Yes, He is also considered the annual flood since the PT specifically state he is cool water that tosses at Giza. So he is a non existent being who was born dead and is cool effervescent water. He is many other things as well such as the non existent being who falls in the ndit-canal after being slayed by set with the help of thot.

You can't get a handle on the PT because it is not consistent in our terms. Each god is first and powerful. Each god has highly nwegative attributes as well;

1267a. Let not Osiris come in this his evil coming;
1267b. do not open to him thine arms.
1267c. Let him be gone; let (him) go to Ndi.t; at once; let him be gone to ‘dȝ.

So he's a non-existent being who was born as a mummy and dies in the ndit-canal on a regular basis while other times leaking corpse drippings in heaven which people need a sharp soul and to walk on tip toe to get through. Of course this same non-existent being is also cool water at Giza.

We even know that Osiris smells like the eye of horus;

1754. To say: Osiris N., take to thyself the odour of the eye of Horus, like the eye of Horus, which he traced by its odour.

But these corpse dripping smell good it would seem;

1801c. it will collect thy flesh; it will let thy evil sweat flow to the ground.
1802a. Take its odour to thee, that thy odour may be sweet like that of Rē‘,
1802b. when he ascends in the horizon, and the gods of the horizon delight in him.
1803a. O N., the odour of the eye of Horus is upon thee;

I could go on like this all day because the PT really is about osiris and his nature and according to Egyptology this is the most convoluted and illogical referent ever devised by the minds of man. Osiris is simply an impossibility even as a belief because it requires one to hold contradictory concepts and definitions. This is the PT; constant contradiction and inconsistency. There's no "story" in it and there's no reason whatsoever to beliueve it has the same meaning as the book of the dead.

It's like Egyptologists went to extreme effort to translate this so anyone could read it and then they neglected to actually read it themselves. Meanwhile the physical evidence has been getting pounded into a framework of this utter nonsense for a century and a half. In other words they take "osiris" to be a "god" who happens to have whatever attributes are relevant to aspecific conversation. Other conflicting attributes are simply ignored until they become relevant.

These problems hardly apply only to "osiris", they apply to almost every proper noun in the PT as well as many regular nouns like "boat". Trying to express an understanding of ancient people in such terms simply causes a person to sound like a mystic. Forcing the physical evidence into this creates a paradigm incapable of making accurate predictions.

It's hard to rule out any theory when the evidence is so shallow and open to such broad interpretation. Even the evidence appears to be in doubt in some cases though obviously the pyramid was buily by Suphis, Cheops, Khufu, or whomever.



Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 1079 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 503 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
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Re: William Wilberforce, crook 477 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 472 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 553 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 515 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
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Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 472 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 485 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 381 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 460 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 465 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 471 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 559 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 476 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 419 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 521 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 457 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 452 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 400 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 473 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 529 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 464 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 431 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 434 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 518 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 463 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 535 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 533 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 16:26
Logbook doubts 448 Merrell 16-May-13 21:38
Re: Logbook doubts 506 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 22:46
Re: Logbook doubts 402 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
Re: Logbook doubts 467 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 08:00
Re: Logbook doubts 462 Merrell 17-May-13 14:30
Re: Logbook doubts 446 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 14:56
Re: Logbook doubts 457 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 442 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 409 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 498 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 552 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 570 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 382 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 461 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 508 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 510 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 437 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 472 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
Re: Logbook doubts 388 Morten 21-May-13 10:40
Re: Logbook doubts 475 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 484 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 505 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
Re: Logbook doubts 473 Morten 21-May-13 13:19
Re: Logbook doubts 553 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
Re: Logbook doubts 470 Merrell 21-May-13 14:16
Re: Logbook doubts 470 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:27
Re: Logbook doubts 513 Merrell 21-May-13 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 495 Morten 21-May-13 14:37
Re: Logbook doubts 464 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:54
Re: Logbook doubts 495 Morten 22-May-13 10:51
Re: Logbook doubts 523 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:13
Re: Logbook doubts 400 Audrey 22-May-13 02:20
Re: Logbook doubts 463 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
Re: Logbook doubts 427 Martin Stower 22-May-13 15:02
Re: Logbook doubts 440 Audrey 24-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 628 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:43
Re: Logbook doubts 359 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
Re: Logbook doubts 397 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 13:15
Re: Logbook doubts 501 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
Re: Logbook doubts 490 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
Re: Logbook doubts 434 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 466 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 457 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 538 eyeofhorus33 11-Jun-14 22:18
Re: Logbook doubts 487 Audrey 12-Jun-14 21:22
Re: Logbook doubts 431 eyeofhorus33 12-Jun-14 22:20
Re: Logbook doubts 433 cladking 13-Jun-14 00:24
Re: Logbook doubts 418 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 22:53
Re: Logbook doubts 421 cladking 13-Jun-14 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 431 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 427 cladking 14-Jun-14 00:17
Re: Logbook doubts 452 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
Re: Logbook doubts 503 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 450 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
context and customs 398 Audrey 14-Jun-14 19:25
Re: context and customs 388 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 464 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 445 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 433 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
Re: Logbook doubts 462 cladking 15-Jun-14 00:29
Re: Logbook doubts 465 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 439 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 451 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
Language doubts 412 cladking 15-Jun-14 21:48
Re: Language doubts 417 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 431 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 430 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 479 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 345 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 458 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 414 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 398 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 390 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 373 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 437 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 422 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 421 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 501 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 434 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 406 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 284 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 460 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 427 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 440 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 434 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 405 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
Re: Conspired....inspire d by money 436 Ratcho 03-Jun-13 05:57
Re: Logbook doubts 376 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:23
Re: Logbook doubts 435 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
Re: Logbook doubts 434 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:25
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Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 456 Martin Stower 30-May-13 12:48
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 440 WINDINWATERS 30-May-13 14:40
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 337 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:00
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 397 WINDINWATERS 31-May-13 21:47
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 384 LonelyAngel 30-May-13 17:43
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Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 446 cladking 01-Jun-13 03:28
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 429 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 373 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 389 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 593 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 431 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
Re: Logbook doubts 450 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 819 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 680 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
Re: Logbook doubts 508 Merrell 19-May-13 16:43
Re: Logbook doubts 441 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 401 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
Re: Logbook doubts 528 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 13:58
Re: Logbook doubts 412 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 429 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
Re: Logbook doubts 470 HungryHun 20-May-13 22:02
Re: Logbook doubts 434 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:05
Re: Logbook doubts 446 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 441 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 450 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
Moghrah 455 Merrell 21-May-13 18:09
Re: Logbook doubts 333 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 23:38
Re: Logbook doubts 359 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 364 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 413 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
Re: Logbook doubts 429 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 10:42
Re: Logbook doubts 386 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
Re: Logbook doubts 370 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 17:44
Re: Logbook doubts 311 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
Re: Logbook doubts 310 cladking 23-May-13 00:51
Re: Logbook doubts 319 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
Re: Logbook doubts 347 Martin Stower 20-May-13 19:19
Re: Logbook doubts 261 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 19:35
Re: Logbook doubts 388 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
Moderator Warning 459 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:12
Moderator Warning 375 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:11
Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 340 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
Re: Logbook doubts 383 Audrey 22-May-13 02:50
Re: Logbook doubts 328 Merrell 22-May-13 12:53
Re: Logbook doubts 304 Audrey 24-May-13 01:48
Moderator Caution 253 Hoppy 22-May-13 12:55
Re: Logbook doubts 225 Martin Stower 22-May-13 16:06
Re: Logbook doubts 218 Audrey 24-May-13 01:41
Re: Logbook doubts 220 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:56
Re: Logbook doubts 202 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:40
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 284 Thanos5150 16-May-13 19:41
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 253 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 21:56
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 239 Thanos5150 16-May-13 23:11
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 221 Dr. Troglodyte 17-May-13 00:01
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 259 Thanos5150 17-May-13 00:30
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 227 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
Moderator Caution 277 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:09
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 195 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 230 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 225 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 157 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 148 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 182 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 217 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 207 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 211 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 190 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 240 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 185 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 197 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 190 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 180 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 183 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 188 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 167 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 189 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 218 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
More Vyse wickedness 205 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:14
Re: More Vyse wickedness 270 Scott Creighton 19-May-13 09:01
Re: More Vyse wickedness 275 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:44
Re: More Vyse wickedness 300 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:56
Re: More Vyse wickedness 336 jamesglory 21-May-13 10:26
Re: More Vyse wickedness 311 Audrey 22-May-13 02:42
Moderator Caution 240 Hoppy 20-May-13 17:57
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 228 Audrey 14-Jun-14 21:11
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 191 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:49
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 205 Scott Creighton 15-Jun-14 00:13
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 229 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 00:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 197 cladking 15-Jun-14 01:12
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Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 298 eyeofhorus33 16-Jun-14 18:38
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