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eyeofhorus33 wrote:

> This is fallacious. The myths which survive do not attest to
> this idea in any way or form. He was, in fact, killed in most
> versions of the Osirian myth which demonstrates he was 'living'
> and not "born dead", as you have claimed.

Of course your conclusions could be right. But, your story of Osiris is Greek in origin and not Egyptian. Even if it were Egyptian it is derived from the book of the dead and not the Pyramid Texts. This "story" isn't known from before the Greeks and is not supported by the PT. I can't even really tell you what the PT says because everything it says is contradicted somewhere else leading to any interpretation anyone chooses to make.

Whether or not he was "born dead" is mere semantics but the simple fact is he was a mummified non existent being and came into existence as a mummified non existent being according to Egyptology. Yes, He is also considered the annual flood since the PT specifically state he is cool water that tosses at Giza. So he is a non existent being who was born dead and is cool effervescent water. He is many other things as well such as the non existent being who falls in the ndit-canal after being slayed by set with the help of thot.

You can't get a handle on the PT because it is not consistent in our terms. Each god is first and powerful. Each god has highly nwegative attributes as well;

1267a. Let not Osiris come in this his evil coming;
1267b. do not open to him thine arms.
1267c. Let him be gone; let (him) go to Ndi.t; at once; let him be gone to ‘dȝ.

So he's a non-existent being who was born as a mummy and dies in the ndit-canal on a regular basis while other times leaking corpse drippings in heaven which people need a sharp soul and to walk on tip toe to get through. Of course this same non-existent being is also cool water at Giza.

We even know that Osiris smells like the eye of horus;

1754. To say: Osiris N., take to thyself the odour of the eye of Horus, like the eye of Horus, which he traced by its odour.

But these corpse dripping smell good it would seem;

1801c. it will collect thy flesh; it will let thy evil sweat flow to the ground.
1802a. Take its odour to thee, that thy odour may be sweet like that of Rē‘,
1802b. when he ascends in the horizon, and the gods of the horizon delight in him.
1803a. O N., the odour of the eye of Horus is upon thee;

I could go on like this all day because the PT really is about osiris and his nature and according to Egyptology this is the most convoluted and illogical referent ever devised by the minds of man. Osiris is simply an impossibility even as a belief because it requires one to hold contradictory concepts and definitions. This is the PT; constant contradiction and inconsistency. There's no "story" in it and there's no reason whatsoever to beliueve it has the same meaning as the book of the dead.

It's like Egyptologists went to extreme effort to translate this so anyone could read it and then they neglected to actually read it themselves. Meanwhile the physical evidence has been getting pounded into a framework of this utter nonsense for a century and a half. In other words they take "osiris" to be a "god" who happens to have whatever attributes are relevant to aspecific conversation. Other conflicting attributes are simply ignored until they become relevant.

These problems hardly apply only to "osiris", they apply to almost every proper noun in the PT as well as many regular nouns like "boat". Trying to express an understanding of ancient people in such terms simply causes a person to sound like a mystic. Forcing the physical evidence into this creates a paradigm incapable of making accurate predictions.

It's hard to rule out any theory when the evidence is so shallow and open to such broad interpretation. Even the evidence appears to be in doubt in some cases though obviously the pyramid was buily by Suphis, Cheops, Khufu, or whomever.



Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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Re: William Wilberforce, crook 544 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 537 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 612 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
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Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 529 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 561 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 443 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 528 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 529 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 586 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 640 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 537 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 477 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 606 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 517 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 518 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 467 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 529 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 596 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 521 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
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Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 489 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 585 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 522 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 612 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
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Re: Logbook doubts 565 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 22:46
Re: Logbook doubts 459 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
Re: Logbook doubts 528 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 08:00
Re: Logbook doubts 521 Merrell 17-May-13 14:30
Re: Logbook doubts 621 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 14:56
Re: Logbook doubts 522 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 500 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 470 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 556 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 616 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 648 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 443 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 533 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 573 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 574 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 499 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 532 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
Re: Logbook doubts 450 Morten 21-May-13 10:40
Re: Logbook doubts 538 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 545 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 580 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
Re: Logbook doubts 526 Morten 21-May-13 13:19
Re: Logbook doubts 637 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
Re: Logbook doubts 530 Merrell 21-May-13 14:16
Re: Logbook doubts 534 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:27
Re: Logbook doubts 571 Merrell 21-May-13 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 557 Morten 21-May-13 14:37
Re: Logbook doubts 522 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:54
Re: Logbook doubts 557 Morten 22-May-13 10:51
Re: Logbook doubts 582 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:13
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Re: Logbook doubts 524 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
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Re: Logbook doubts 507 Audrey 24-May-13 01:32
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Re: Logbook doubts 418 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
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Re: Logbook doubts 562 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
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Re: Logbook doubts 488 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 520 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 510 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
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Re: Logbook doubts 482 cladking 14-Jun-14 00:17
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Re: Logbook doubts 500 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
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Re: context and customs 446 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 509 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 494 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
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Re: Logbook doubts 520 cladking 15-Jun-14 00:29
Re: Logbook doubts 512 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 499 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 508 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
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Re: Language doubts 472 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 482 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 483 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 528 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 401 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 510 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 468 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 471 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 459 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 421 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 491 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 476 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 472 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 559 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 485 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 466 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 344 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 511 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 485 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 486 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 483 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 458 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
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Re: Logbook doubts 488 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
Re: Logbook doubts 487 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:25
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Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 444 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 449 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 661 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
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Re: Logbook doubts 508 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 933 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 765 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
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Re: Logbook doubts 494 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 453 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
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Re: Logbook doubts 465 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 486 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
Re: Logbook doubts 520 HungryHun 20-May-13 22:02
Re: Logbook doubts 483 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:05
Re: Logbook doubts 501 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 489 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 503 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
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Re: Logbook doubts 387 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 23:38
Re: Logbook doubts 409 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 423 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 468 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
Re: Logbook doubts 488 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 10:42
Re: Logbook doubts 450 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
Re: Logbook doubts 429 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 17:44
Re: Logbook doubts 367 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
Re: Logbook doubts 358 cladking 23-May-13 00:51
Re: Logbook doubts 371 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
Re: Logbook doubts 405 Martin Stower 20-May-13 19:19
Re: Logbook doubts 324 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 19:35
Re: Logbook doubts 443 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
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Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 395 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
Re: Logbook doubts 437 Audrey 22-May-13 02:50
Re: Logbook doubts 380 Merrell 22-May-13 12:53
Re: Logbook doubts 353 Audrey 24-May-13 01:48
Moderator Caution 314 Hoppy 22-May-13 12:55
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Re: Logbook doubts 279 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:56
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Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 308 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 21:56
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 292 Thanos5150 16-May-13 23:11
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 275 Dr. Troglodyte 17-May-13 00:01
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 313 Thanos5150 17-May-13 00:30
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 281 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
Moderator Caution 321 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:09
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Re: William Wilberforce, crook 291 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 278 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 299 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 204 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 232 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 277 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 260 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 266 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 238 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 293 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 237 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 247 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 244 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 238 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 230 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 243 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
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Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 242 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 269 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
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