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The language also wasn't really "reverse engineered" as you suggest. The Rosetta stone is the same text, composed in hieroglyphs, hieratic and demotic Greek. It provides an irrefutable way for a cryptologist to "crack a code" of meaning, even though we remain completely and utterly clueless about the actual sound of the language.

From what I've read, the Rosetta stone itself was not the clue to decipherment. For example, here is an excerpt from Simon Singh
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Champollion wondered if the first hieroglyph in the cartouche, the disc, might represent the sun, and then he assumed its sound value to be that of the Coptic word for sun, 'ra'. This gave him the sequence ('ra-?-s-s'). Only one pharaonic name seemed to fit. Allowing for the omission of vowels and the unknown letter, surely this was Rameses. The spell was broken.
There are countless examples in 1800's literature of coptic being the basis for translating hieroglyphs. This is what I meant by reverse engineered.

I know nothing of Chinese history so I'll take your word for their Honorific titles. But I think it unwise to assume the AE's did the same.

I'm not sure what you meant by "But ... the Graeco-Roman period of Egypt spans the entire historical period whose authors you cited in support of your viewpoint: Herodotus et al."

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Hieroglyphs make as much sense as any other language, once you have learned how to read them.
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Osiris in his name of seker tows the earth by means of balance.
Does this really make sense to you ?
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....the "meaning" of what is being read is clear and appropriate to the context in which the expressions were originally produced,
Context is subjective. If operating from a presumption of religious ceremony, interpretation will accommodate such religious ceremony. Just as the premise of a coptic relationship produced 'Rameses', the premise of different titles of respect for a pharaoh, will produce different names for a pharaoh. Eliminate the presumption, and different interpretations will emerge.

So what is there to say that pharaohs had several names, other than because another country did ? Are you saying this is the reasoning of egyptologists?



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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 1206 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 566 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 535 Nejc 11-May-13 16:15
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 551 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 542 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 618 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 585 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, excavator 491 Merrell 13-May-13 13:11
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 537 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 567 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 449 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 535 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 538 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 632 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 656 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 544 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 486 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 614 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 524 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 526 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 474 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 535 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 601 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 529 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 501 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 496 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 591 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 531 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
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Re: Logbook doubts 468 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
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Re: Logbook doubts 701 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 14:56
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Re: Logbook doubts 479 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
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Re: Logbook doubts 625 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 658 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 451 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 541 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 580 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 581 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 508 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 539 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
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Re: Logbook doubts 545 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 553 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 589 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
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Re: Logbook doubts 556 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
Re: Logbook doubts 496 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 527 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 518 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 720 eyeofhorus33 11-Jun-14 22:18
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Re: Logbook doubts 487 cladking 13-Jun-14 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 492 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 489 cladking 14-Jun-14 00:17
Re: Logbook doubts 508 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
Re: Logbook doubts 568 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 507 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
context and customs 451 Audrey 14-Jun-14 19:25
Re: context and customs 452 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
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Re: Logbook doubts 503 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
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Re: Logbook doubts 529 cladking 15-Jun-14 00:29
Re: Logbook doubts 519 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 507 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 516 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
Language doubts 473 cladking 15-Jun-14 21:48
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Re: Language doubts 490 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 490 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 535 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 407 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 516 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 474 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 479 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 469 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 428 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 498 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 482 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 480 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 565 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 492 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 473 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 352 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 516 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 494 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 494 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 490 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 465 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
Re: Conspired....inspire d by money 529 Ratcho 03-Jun-13 05:57
Re: Logbook doubts 436 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:23
Re: Logbook doubts 497 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
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Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 454 Nejc 29-May-13 23:23
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Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 462 WINDINWATERS 31-May-13 21:47
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 450 LonelyAngel 30-May-13 17:43
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 450 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:24
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 505 cladking 01-Jun-13 03:28
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 491 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 477 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 456 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 667 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 499 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
Re: Logbook doubts 513 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 948 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 779 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
Re: Logbook doubts 565 Merrell 19-May-13 16:43
Re: Logbook doubts 501 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 462 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
Re: Logbook doubts 585 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 13:58
Re: Logbook doubts 473 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 493 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
Re: Logbook doubts 531 HungryHun 20-May-13 22:02
Re: Logbook doubts 489 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:05
Re: Logbook doubts 508 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 499 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 510 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
Moghrah 512 Merrell 21-May-13 18:09
Re: Logbook doubts 396 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 23:38
Re: Logbook doubts 417 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 433 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 475 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
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Re: Logbook doubts 455 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
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Re: Logbook doubts 374 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
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Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 403 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
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Re: Logbook doubts 288 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:56
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Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 288 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
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Re: William Wilberforce, crook 253 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 298 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 287 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 338 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 211 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 244 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 286 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
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Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 271 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 245 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 299 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
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Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 246 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
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