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eyeofhorus33 wrote:


> "They meant everything they said literally."
>
> In which case, why not write: "Water is a counter weight used
> to lift stones on the opposite side of the pyramid" ?

Every word in every sentence in modern language is dependent on context to provide definition. This is much of the source of confusion and misunderstanding. It is he reason that each listener walks away with a different understanding. It is why when messages are relayed hrough many individuals (Chinese telephone) the meaning is corrupted.

We are accustomed to deciphering meaning like this so simply don't notice when meaning isn't expressed like this. I can think of several ways to interpret your statement and if I lacked the referents and the culture that we share I'd probably misinterpret it. Water always has weight so how can it be used lift something? "Opposite" could be taken to mean anything. There is no "pyramid" until the structure is complete so what's being lifted?

There simply isn't only one language and the ancient language is unintelligible to us so it looks liuke gobbledty gook which Egyptologists believe is religion and incantation. Yet, even with all this wrirting they can't tell us the first thing about either the religion or magic without resorting to concepts from the book of the dead. Even after a century and a half of intensive study no two Egyptologists agree on the meaning of even the simplest concepts like "the eye of horus" (an opening for water).

> If the ancients expressed themselves through metaphor - as they
> patently seem to in the examples you cite - then you must
> acknowledge that it is not feasible to also claim: "They meant
> everything they said literally."

There's no metaphor. Tefnut literally makes the earth high beneath the sky. She literally uses her arms to do it. This is by definition and it is true metaphysically. Seker literally tows the earth by achieving balance. He does so by definition. There is only one way to express this concept though it can be viewed from a vurtual infinite number of perspectives. They could have said "shu embraces horus by means of his sister tefnut" but this might have broken a grammatical rule with two scientific terms in the same sentence. It would at least be unusual and somewhat convoluted. Shu embraced all things just as tefnut caused shu to embrace eacgh thing. Meaning was communicated in ways that sounded natural and my perspectives here are not wholly natural (take my word on it). More naturally "the wdn't offering is before seker and horus is behind him".

But don't forget almost all the writing that exists is the PT and the PT is just a silly little book of rituals. The authors would consider it hilarious that their descendents misunderstood it and that we misunderstand it in the exact same way. We misunderstand it in this way largely because it's only natural. We can hardly imagine a language where you can't sperak at all unless you know what you're talking about. The PT is more formal than everyday speech but the same rules still applied. This was the natural human language that people are born with. It is simply forgotten. It became too complicated for the average man so it failed.

> If that was the case then they would have expressed it
> literally, wouldn't they?

Everything was literal. They had no beliefs at all. Everything they knew was on the tip of their tongue. They thought in science.

> Or are you granting them poetic license to suit your own
> perspective here?

They probably didn't wax poetic too often. I don't know. All I have to understand them is a silly little book of ritual that is translated to fit the book of the dead.



Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 1088 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 509 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 473 Nejc 11-May-13 16:15
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 484 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 478 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 558 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 519 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, excavator 428 Merrell 13-May-13 13:11
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 478 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 491 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 388 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 466 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 471 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 477 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 566 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 482 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 425 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 528 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 463 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 458 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 405 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 478 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 535 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 469 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 437 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 439 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 523 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 469 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 540 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 540 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 16:26
Logbook doubts 454 Merrell 16-May-13 21:38
Re: Logbook doubts 513 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 22:46
Re: Logbook doubts 407 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
Re: Logbook doubts 473 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 08:00
Re: Logbook doubts 467 Merrell 17-May-13 14:30
Re: Logbook doubts 452 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 14:56
Re: Logbook doubts 463 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 448 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 416 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 503 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 557 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 575 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 387 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 467 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 516 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 515 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 442 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 478 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
Re: Logbook doubts 394 Morten 21-May-13 10:40
Re: Logbook doubts 480 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 490 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 511 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
Re: Logbook doubts 479 Morten 21-May-13 13:19
Re: Logbook doubts 559 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
Re: Logbook doubts 476 Merrell 21-May-13 14:16
Re: Logbook doubts 477 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:27
Re: Logbook doubts 518 Merrell 21-May-13 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 501 Morten 21-May-13 14:37
Re: Logbook doubts 469 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:54
Re: Logbook doubts 499 Morten 22-May-13 10:51
Re: Logbook doubts 530 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:13
Re: Logbook doubts 406 Audrey 22-May-13 02:20
Re: Logbook doubts 468 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
Re: Logbook doubts 433 Martin Stower 22-May-13 15:02
Re: Logbook doubts 445 Audrey 24-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 631 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:43
Re: Logbook doubts 363 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
Re: Logbook doubts 402 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 13:15
Re: Logbook doubts 505 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
Re: Logbook doubts 496 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
Re: Logbook doubts 439 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 470 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 462 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 542 eyeofhorus33 11-Jun-14 22:18
Re: Logbook doubts 492 Audrey 12-Jun-14 21:22
Re: Logbook doubts 434 eyeofhorus33 12-Jun-14 22:20
Re: Logbook doubts 437 cladking 13-Jun-14 00:24
Re: Logbook doubts 420 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 22:53
Re: Logbook doubts 427 cladking 13-Jun-14 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 435 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 431 cladking 14-Jun-14 00:17
Re: Logbook doubts 456 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
Re: Logbook doubts 505 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 454 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
context and customs 401 Audrey 14-Jun-14 19:25
Re: context and customs 392 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 466 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 448 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 438 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
Re: Logbook doubts 467 cladking 15-Jun-14 00:29
Re: Logbook doubts 468 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 443 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 454 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
Language doubts 414 cladking 15-Jun-14 21:48
Re: Language doubts 420 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 434 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 433 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 481 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 349 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 460 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 418 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 402 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 392 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 378 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 441 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 426 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 424 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 506 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 438 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 408 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 286 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 465 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 432 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 443 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 438 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 409 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
Re: Conspired....inspire d by money 440 Ratcho 03-Jun-13 05:57
Re: Logbook doubts 379 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:23
Re: Logbook doubts 437 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
Re: Logbook doubts 437 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:25
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Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 393 Nejc 29-May-13 23:23
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 407 Merrell 30-May-13 09:25
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 460 Martin Stower 30-May-13 12:48
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 443 WINDINWATERS 30-May-13 14:40
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 342 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:00
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 401 WINDINWATERS 31-May-13 21:47
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 388 LonelyAngel 30-May-13 17:43
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 388 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:24
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 451 cladking 01-Jun-13 03:28
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 433 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 376 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 394 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 604 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 434 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
Re: Logbook doubts 455 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 829 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 686 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
Re: Logbook doubts 513 Merrell 19-May-13 16:43
Re: Logbook doubts 445 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 405 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
Re: Logbook doubts 532 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 13:58
Re: Logbook doubts 414 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 435 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
Re: Logbook doubts 473 HungryHun 20-May-13 22:02
Re: Logbook doubts 437 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:05
Re: Logbook doubts 448 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 443 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 452 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
Moghrah 458 Merrell 21-May-13 18:09
Re: Logbook doubts 337 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 23:38
Re: Logbook doubts 362 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 368 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 415 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
Re: Logbook doubts 432 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 10:42
Re: Logbook doubts 389 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
Re: Logbook doubts 374 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 17:44
Re: Logbook doubts 317 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
Re: Logbook doubts 312 cladking 23-May-13 00:51
Re: Logbook doubts 321 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
Re: Logbook doubts 352 Martin Stower 20-May-13 19:19
Re: Logbook doubts 264 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 19:35
Re: Logbook doubts 392 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
Moderator Warning 464 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:12
Moderator Warning 380 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:11
Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 343 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
Re: Logbook doubts 386 Audrey 22-May-13 02:50
Re: Logbook doubts 330 Merrell 22-May-13 12:53
Re: Logbook doubts 307 Audrey 24-May-13 01:48
Moderator Caution 256 Hoppy 22-May-13 12:55
Re: Logbook doubts 228 Martin Stower 22-May-13 16:06
Re: Logbook doubts 222 Audrey 24-May-13 01:41
Re: Logbook doubts 224 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:56
Re: Logbook doubts 206 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:40
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 290 Thanos5150 16-May-13 19:41
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 256 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 21:56
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 242 Thanos5150 16-May-13 23:11
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 225 Dr. Troglodyte 17-May-13 00:01
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 261 Thanos5150 17-May-13 00:30
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 230 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
Moderator Caution 279 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:09
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 197 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 232 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 228 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 160 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 152 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 184 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 221 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 210 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 213 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 193 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 246 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 187 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 199 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 193 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 183 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 186 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 191 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 171 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 193 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 223 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
More Vyse wickedness 209 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:14
Re: More Vyse wickedness 285 Scott Creighton 19-May-13 09:01
Re: More Vyse wickedness 298 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:44
Re: More Vyse wickedness 305 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:56
Re: More Vyse wickedness 341 jamesglory 21-May-13 10:26
Re: More Vyse wickedness 316 Audrey 22-May-13 02:42
Moderator Caution 243 Hoppy 20-May-13 17:57
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 230 Audrey 14-Jun-14 21:11
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 195 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:49
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 209 Scott Creighton 15-Jun-14 00:13
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 234 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 00:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 201 cladking 15-Jun-14 01:12
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 198 Sirfiroth 15-Jun-14 19:09
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 231 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:40
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Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 302 eyeofhorus33 16-Jun-14 18:38
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