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Personally I like the name Tricky Dicky. I think it fits.

There is of course the allusion to Nixon (Richard M. not Warwick) which is rather apt. Nixon is the statesman who went to China and began to thaw out the Cold War and lay the future foundations for world peace. He is also the petty crook who allowed his minions to break into Watergate and perform a variety of other criminal functions.

No one is completely bad or good, black or white. Martin Stower has been defending Howard Vyse's honour for years now - moreso than the man himself bothered to do in his lifetime - but no thinking person can doubt that he was as slippery as an eel and was indeed the type of person who - given the motive and the right circumstances (both of which he had) - *might*, just *might* have cheated.

It wouldn't matter that much, but for the fact that these little marks, discovered by this dubious man, are almost all we really have on which to hang the entire notion that Khufu built the Great Pyramid. That, unfortunately, is just one of the most awful, precarious, questionable and agonising fractures in our historical knowledge: are they frauds, done by a fraudster, or are they genuine, genuinely discovered by a man who we simply cannot trust? Sadly, that's the problem - right there in the middle of this momentous find stands Tricky Dicky.

Scott has done a good job of keeping the case wide open on Vyse, but for me at least it's still very inconclusive. Scott has put Vyse in the dock. Would I convict the man? No, not on the extant evidence. No. But I wouldn't buy a used car from him either.

I'm aware that this argument has gone on for years and will continue to do so... with a great deal of integrity on both sides I have to say. But the story is not over yet.

The real answer has to lie in true forensic testing of the marks themselves - especially in the context of the blasting methods used by Vyse and the residue it would have left. Whilst I understand that politically this is not likely to happen, it staggers me that anyone with a remotely inquiring or scientific mind would be against this... especially those who routinely demand "peer review". Test and test and test again, I say... it's the only way to truly bring this matter to a conclusion that a reasonable person would accept.



Lonely Angel


""It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair

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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 1244 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 587 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 555 Nejc 11-May-13 16:15
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 571 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 561 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 639 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 606 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, excavator 511 Merrell 13-May-13 13:11
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 560 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 587 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 470 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 556 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 559 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 676 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 681 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 565 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 505 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 633 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 544 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 546 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 495 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 555 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 621 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 547 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 519 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 517 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 612 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 552 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 644 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 638 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 16:26
Logbook doubts 549 Merrell 16-May-13 21:38
Re: Logbook doubts 592 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 22:46
Re: Logbook doubts 489 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
Re: Logbook doubts 557 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 08:00
Re: Logbook doubts 549 Merrell 17-May-13 14:30
Re: Logbook doubts 779 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 14:56
Re: Logbook doubts 551 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 530 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 499 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 585 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 668 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 679 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 471 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 563 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 600 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 602 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 528 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 558 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
Re: Logbook doubts 477 Morten 21-May-13 10:40
Re: Logbook doubts 566 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 573 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 607 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
Re: Logbook doubts 554 Morten 21-May-13 13:19
Re: Logbook doubts 663 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
Re: Logbook doubts 558 Merrell 21-May-13 14:16
Re: Logbook doubts 567 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:27
Re: Logbook doubts 675 Merrell 21-May-13 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 584 Morten 21-May-13 14:37
Re: Logbook doubts 550 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:54
Re: Logbook doubts 583 Morten 22-May-13 10:51
Re: Logbook doubts 610 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:13
Re: Logbook doubts 642 Audrey 22-May-13 02:20
Re: Logbook doubts 551 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
Re: Logbook doubts 518 Martin Stower 22-May-13 15:02
Re: Logbook doubts 533 Audrey 24-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 899 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:43
Re: Logbook doubts 444 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
Re: Logbook doubts 468 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 13:15
Re: Logbook doubts 594 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
Re: Logbook doubts 582 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
Re: Logbook doubts 516 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 547 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 539 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 836 eyeofhorus33 11-Jun-14 22:18
Re: Logbook doubts 571 Audrey 12-Jun-14 21:22
Re: Logbook doubts 510 eyeofhorus33 12-Jun-14 22:20
Re: Logbook doubts 511 cladking 13-Jun-14 00:24
Re: Logbook doubts 495 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 22:53
Re: Logbook doubts 507 cladking 13-Jun-14 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 510 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 508 cladking 14-Jun-14 00:17
Re: Logbook doubts 525 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
Re: Logbook doubts 586 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 527 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
context and customs 483 Audrey 14-Jun-14 19:25
Re: context and customs 470 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 548 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 521 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 517 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
Re: Logbook doubts 548 cladking 15-Jun-14 00:29
Re: Logbook doubts 537 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 527 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 534 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
Language doubts 489 cladking 15-Jun-14 21:48
Re: Language doubts 498 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 509 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 508 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 553 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 426 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 566 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 493 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 498 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 486 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 448 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 517 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 501 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 497 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 583 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 510 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 491 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 370 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 536 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 514 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 513 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 508 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 483 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
Re: Conspired....inspire d by money 547 Ratcho 03-Jun-13 05:57
Re: Logbook doubts 454 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:23
Re: Logbook doubts 516 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
Re: Logbook doubts 516 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:25
Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 488 LonelyAngel 29-May-13 14:41
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 473 Nejc 29-May-13 23:23
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 485 Merrell 30-May-13 09:25
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 577 Martin Stower 30-May-13 12:48
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 524 WINDINWATERS 30-May-13 14:40
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 419 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:00
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 481 WINDINWATERS 31-May-13 21:47
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 469 LonelyAngel 30-May-13 17:43
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 469 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:24
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 523 cladking 01-Jun-13 03:28
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 510 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 498 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 475 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 687 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 519 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
Re: Logbook doubts 534 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 983 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 805 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
Re: Logbook doubts 585 Merrell 19-May-13 16:43
Re: Logbook doubts 519 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 480 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
Re: Logbook doubts 616 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 13:58
Re: Logbook doubts 491 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 511 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
Re: Logbook doubts 550 HungryHun 20-May-13 22:02
Re: Logbook doubts 508 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:05
Re: Logbook doubts 526 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 519 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 529 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
Moghrah 530 Merrell 21-May-13 18:09
Re: Logbook doubts 415 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 23:38
Re: Logbook doubts 435 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 451 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 495 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
Re: Logbook doubts 551 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 10:42
Re: Logbook doubts 472 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
Re: Logbook doubts 455 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 17:44
Re: Logbook doubts 405 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
Re: Logbook doubts 384 cladking 23-May-13 00:51
Re: Logbook doubts 398 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
Re: Logbook doubts 434 Martin Stower 20-May-13 19:19
Re: Logbook doubts 349 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 19:35
Re: Logbook doubts 468 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
Moderator Warning 669 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:12
Moderator Warning 454 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:11
Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 422 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
Re: Logbook doubts 460 Audrey 22-May-13 02:50
Re: Logbook doubts 405 Merrell 22-May-13 12:53
Re: Logbook doubts 377 Audrey 24-May-13 01:48
Moderator Caution 340 Hoppy 22-May-13 12:55
Re: Logbook doubts 343 Martin Stower 22-May-13 16:06
Re: Logbook doubts 302 Audrey 24-May-13 01:41
Re: Logbook doubts 306 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:56
Re: Logbook doubts 293 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:40
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 372 Thanos5150 16-May-13 19:41
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 373 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 21:56
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 316 Thanos5150 16-May-13 23:11
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 302 Dr. Troglodyte 17-May-13 00:01
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 340 Thanos5150 17-May-13 00:30
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 308 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
Moderator Caution 348 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:09
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 271 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 315 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 307 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 387 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 230 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 263 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 306 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 286 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 288 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 262 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 318 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 261 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 271 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 268 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 265 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 253 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 267 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 245 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 269 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 295 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
More Vyse wickedness 285 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:14
Re: More Vyse wickedness 365 Scott Creighton 19-May-13 09:01
Re: More Vyse wickedness 373 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:44
Re: More Vyse wickedness 452 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:56
Re: More Vyse wickedness 418 jamesglory 21-May-13 10:26
Re: More Vyse wickedness 388 Audrey 22-May-13 02:42
Moderator Caution 314 Hoppy 20-May-13 17:57
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 307 Audrey 14-Jun-14 21:11
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 274 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:49
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 283 Scott Creighton 15-Jun-14 00:13
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 310 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 00:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 285 cladking 15-Jun-14 01:12
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 271 Sirfiroth 15-Jun-14 19:09
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 310 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:40
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 294 Audrey 16-Jun-14 03:32
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 404 eyeofhorus33 16-Jun-14 18:38
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 288 Audrey 23-Jun-14 03:15
Australian Funeral 326 molder 15-Jun-14 05:03
Re: Australian Funeral 445 Audrey 16-Jun-14 03:56
Re: Australian Funeral 264 molder 16-Jun-14 12:06
Re: Australian Funeral 275 cladking 16-Jun-14 16:50
Re: Australian Funeral 252 Audrey 23-Jun-14 01:58
Re: Australian Funeral 296 molder 19-Jun-14 07:25
Re: Australian Funeral 268 molder 20-Jun-14 10:28
Re: Australian Funeral/North American Funeral 256 molder 22-Jun-14 06:53


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