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Scott Creighton wrote:

> So now the inference is that Walter Allen was a fraudster
> and made it all up?

If you re-read what I posted, you'll realise that what I'm saying is that there can be problems, and unanswered questions, when dealing with this sort of document.

> Why would he do that? Do you have any proof
> of that?

These questions go beyond what I discussed in my previous post, in which - to repeat - I merely pointed out the potential problems with this sort of document.

> You do realise that even without the Brewer/Allen
> testimony, Tricky-Dicky's journal, with regard to the discovery
> of the inscriptions, remains in no less a questionable
> position. Do we then have the 'word' of two liars/fraudsters?
> It's possible (though I personally doubt it). So, how do you
> propose the truth of the situation might be determined - what's
> your thoughts on that? How might this cloud of uncertainty be
> removed? Would it not seem sensible to go to the original,
> primary source i.e. the inscriptions themselves and try to
> scientifically verify their authenticity?

I think what would be even more sensible would be to consider very carefully the various historical contexts under discussion, and the various historical materials available to us, and see what might be gathered from that exercise.

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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 1208 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 567 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 535 Nejc 11-May-13 16:15
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 551 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 542 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 618 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 586 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, excavator 491 Merrell 13-May-13 13:11
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 537 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 567 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 449 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 535 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 539 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 632 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 656 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 544 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 487 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 614 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 525 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 526 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 475 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 536 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 603 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 529 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 502 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 497 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 592 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 531 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 622 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 610 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 16:26
Logbook doubts 529 Merrell 16-May-13 21:38
Re: Logbook doubts 572 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 22:46
Re: Logbook doubts 468 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
Re: Logbook doubts 536 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 08:00
Re: Logbook doubts 527 Merrell 17-May-13 14:30
Re: Logbook doubts 711 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 14:56
Re: Logbook doubts 531 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 510 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 481 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 564 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 634 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 659 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 452 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 542 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 582 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 581 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 508 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 539 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
Re: Logbook doubts 456 Morten 21-May-13 10:40
Re: Logbook doubts 546 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 553 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 590 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
Re: Logbook doubts 536 Morten 21-May-13 13:19
Re: Logbook doubts 646 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
Re: Logbook doubts 538 Merrell 21-May-13 14:16
Re: Logbook doubts 547 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:27
Re: Logbook doubts 595 Merrell 21-May-13 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 564 Morten 21-May-13 14:37
Re: Logbook doubts 531 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:54
Re: Logbook doubts 563 Morten 22-May-13 10:51
Re: Logbook doubts 590 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:13
Re: Logbook doubts 561 Audrey 22-May-13 02:20
Re: Logbook doubts 531 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
Re: Logbook doubts 497 Martin Stower 22-May-13 15:02
Re: Logbook doubts 515 Audrey 24-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 787 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:43
Re: Logbook doubts 427 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
Re: Logbook doubts 452 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 13:15
Re: Logbook doubts 570 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
Re: Logbook doubts 557 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
Re: Logbook doubts 498 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 528 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 519 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 725 eyeofhorus33 11-Jun-14 22:18
Re: Logbook doubts 553 Audrey 12-Jun-14 21:22
Re: Logbook doubts 492 eyeofhorus33 12-Jun-14 22:20
Re: Logbook doubts 492 cladking 13-Jun-14 00:24
Re: Logbook doubts 477 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 22:53
Re: Logbook doubts 488 cladking 13-Jun-14 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 493 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 491 cladking 14-Jun-14 00:17
Re: Logbook doubts 509 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
Re: Logbook doubts 568 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 508 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
context and customs 453 Audrey 14-Jun-14 19:25
Re: context and customs 453 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 523 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 503 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 497 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
Re: Logbook doubts 530 cladking 15-Jun-14 00:29
Re: Logbook doubts 519 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 507 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 518 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
Language doubts 473 cladking 15-Jun-14 21:48
Re: Language doubts 480 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 491 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 490 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 535 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 409 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 517 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 475 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 479 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 469 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 429 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 500 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 483 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 480 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 566 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 494 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 473 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 353 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 518 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 496 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 494 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 491 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 466 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
Re: Conspired....inspire d by money 530 Ratcho 03-Jun-13 05:57
Re: Logbook doubts 437 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:23
Re: Logbook doubts 497 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
Re: Logbook doubts 498 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:25
Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 471 LonelyAngel 29-May-13 14:41
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 455 Nejc 29-May-13 23:23
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 467 Merrell 30-May-13 09:25
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 523 Martin Stower 30-May-13 12:48
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 505 WINDINWATERS 30-May-13 14:40
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 401 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:00
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 463 WINDINWATERS 31-May-13 21:47
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 452 LonelyAngel 30-May-13 17:43
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 450 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:24
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 505 cladking 01-Jun-13 03:28
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 492 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 479 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 457 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 667 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 499 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
Re: Logbook doubts 514 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 950 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 780 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
Re: Logbook doubts 565 Merrell 19-May-13 16:43
Re: Logbook doubts 502 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 462 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
Re: Logbook doubts 587 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 13:58
Re: Logbook doubts 473 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 494 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
Re: Logbook doubts 532 HungryHun 20-May-13 22:02
Re: Logbook doubts 489 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:05
Re: Logbook doubts 508 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 500 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 510 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
Moghrah 513 Merrell 21-May-13 18:09
Re: Logbook doubts 396 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 23:38
Re: Logbook doubts 418 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 434 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 475 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
Re: Logbook doubts 498 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 10:42
Re: Logbook doubts 457 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
Re: Logbook doubts 438 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 17:44
Re: Logbook doubts 375 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
Re: Logbook doubts 365 cladking 23-May-13 00:51
Re: Logbook doubts 381 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
Re: Logbook doubts 417 Martin Stower 20-May-13 19:19
Re: Logbook doubts 332 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 19:35
Re: Logbook doubts 451 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
Moderator Warning 560 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:12
Moderator Warning 437 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:11
Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 404 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
Re: Logbook doubts 443 Audrey 22-May-13 02:50
Re: Logbook doubts 386 Merrell 22-May-13 12:53
Re: Logbook doubts 359 Audrey 24-May-13 01:48
Moderator Caution 322 Hoppy 22-May-13 12:55
Re: Logbook doubts 325 Martin Stower 22-May-13 16:06
Re: Logbook doubts 286 Audrey 24-May-13 01:41
Re: Logbook doubts 289 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:56
Re: Logbook doubts 273 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:40
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 352 Thanos5150 16-May-13 19:41
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 353 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 21:56
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 299 Thanos5150 16-May-13 23:11
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 285 Dr. Troglodyte 17-May-13 00:01
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 321 Thanos5150 17-May-13 00:30
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 288 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
Moderator Caution 330 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:09
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 254 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 298 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 288 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 341 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 212 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 244 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 287 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 267 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 271 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 245 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 300 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 245 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 254 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 251 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 248 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 237 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 251 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 226 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 250 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 278 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
More Vyse wickedness 265 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:14
Re: More Vyse wickedness 347 Scott Creighton 19-May-13 09:01
Re: More Vyse wickedness 354 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:44
Re: More Vyse wickedness 376 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:56
Re: More Vyse wickedness 398 jamesglory 21-May-13 10:26
Re: More Vyse wickedness 370 Audrey 22-May-13 02:42
Moderator Caution 298 Hoppy 20-May-13 17:57
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 288 Audrey 14-Jun-14 21:11
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 255 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:49
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 262 Scott Creighton 15-Jun-14 00:13
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 292 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 00:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 266 cladking 15-Jun-14 01:12
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 250 Sirfiroth 15-Jun-14 19:09
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 291 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:40
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 278 Audrey 16-Jun-14 03:32
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 385 eyeofhorus33 16-Jun-14 18:38
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 273 Audrey 23-Jun-14 03:15
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