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MJT wrote:

> Would somebody please explain why it really matters whether or
> not Howard Vyse (or indeed somebody else) forged this now
> infamous cartouche.

> If it is a genuine article, then all that it tells us is that a
> King Khufu was known about by some of the Great Pyramid's
> builders; critically, it does not prove by any means that the
> 4th dynasty Khufu was the Pyramid's builder.

It's unlikely that the work teams who built the GP would be known by such names as The-white-crown-of Khnumkhufu-is-powerful if they were working for another king.

> If it is a fake, then, well, so what?

One argument goes that Howard-Vyse ordered the forgery so that he could proclaim himself the originator of a new and exciting discovery, and so claim a place in history. This would be fine as far as it goes, except that, at the time, no one, not even Samuel Birch, knew the details of how AE kings' names were written. H-V would have needed a TARDIS. So, besides revealing that H-V was a cad and a bounder willing to sacrifice the code of honour into which he had been born, confirmation that the quarry-marks were forgeries might be an indication of the existence of time-travel ...

And, following on from this - if affirmations like e.g. those of Herodotus can be put to one side - proof that the quarry-marks were forged would theoretically also throw open the question of the GP's construction date, which might be important for proponents of Lost Civilisation theories seeking to argue that the Sphinx and the GP were in fact constructed in c. 10,500 BC.

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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 1185 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 560 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 527 Nejc 11-May-13 16:15
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 544 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 537 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 612 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 578 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, excavator 482 Merrell 13-May-13 13:11
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 529 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 561 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 443 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 528 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 529 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 586 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 640 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 537 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 477 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 606 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 517 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 518 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 467 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 529 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 596 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 521 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 493 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 489 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 585 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 522 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 612 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 590 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 16:26
Logbook doubts 517 Merrell 16-May-13 21:38
Re: Logbook doubts 565 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 22:46
Re: Logbook doubts 459 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
Re: Logbook doubts 528 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 08:00
Re: Logbook doubts 521 Merrell 17-May-13 14:30
Re: Logbook doubts 621 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 14:56
Re: Logbook doubts 522 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 500 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 470 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 555 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 616 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 648 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 443 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 533 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 573 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 574 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 499 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 532 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
Re: Logbook doubts 449 Morten 21-May-13 10:40
Re: Logbook doubts 538 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 545 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 580 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
Re: Logbook doubts 526 Morten 21-May-13 13:19
Re: Logbook doubts 637 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
Re: Logbook doubts 530 Merrell 21-May-13 14:16
Re: Logbook doubts 534 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:27
Re: Logbook doubts 571 Merrell 21-May-13 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 557 Morten 21-May-13 14:37
Re: Logbook doubts 522 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:54
Re: Logbook doubts 557 Morten 22-May-13 10:51
Re: Logbook doubts 582 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:13
Re: Logbook doubts 515 Audrey 22-May-13 02:20
Re: Logbook doubts 524 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
Re: Logbook doubts 488 Martin Stower 22-May-13 15:02
Re: Logbook doubts 507 Audrey 24-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 756 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:43
Re: Logbook doubts 418 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
Re: Logbook doubts 445 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 13:15
Re: Logbook doubts 562 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
Re: Logbook doubts 549 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
Re: Logbook doubts 488 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 520 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 510 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 669 eyeofhorus33 11-Jun-14 22:18
Re: Logbook doubts 545 Audrey 12-Jun-14 21:22
Re: Logbook doubts 485 eyeofhorus33 12-Jun-14 22:20
Re: Logbook doubts 482 cladking 13-Jun-14 00:24
Re: Logbook doubts 469 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 22:53
Re: Logbook doubts 479 cladking 13-Jun-14 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 486 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 482 cladking 14-Jun-14 00:17
Re: Logbook doubts 501 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
Re: Logbook doubts 559 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 500 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
context and customs 445 Audrey 14-Jun-14 19:25
Re: context and customs 446 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 509 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 494 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 490 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
Re: Logbook doubts 520 cladking 15-Jun-14 00:29
Re: Logbook doubts 512 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 499 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 508 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
Language doubts 465 cladking 15-Jun-14 21:48
Re: Language doubts 472 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 482 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 483 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 528 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 401 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 510 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 468 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 471 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 459 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 421 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 491 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 476 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 472 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 559 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 485 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 466 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 344 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 511 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 485 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 486 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 483 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 458 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
Re: Conspired....inspire d by money 522 Ratcho 03-Jun-13 05:57
Re: Logbook doubts 428 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:23
Re: Logbook doubts 488 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
Re: Logbook doubts 487 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:25
Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 464 LonelyAngel 29-May-13 14:41
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 447 Nejc 29-May-13 23:23
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 457 Merrell 30-May-13 09:25
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 513 Martin Stower 30-May-13 12:48
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 496 WINDINWATERS 30-May-13 14:40
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 394 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:00
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 454 WINDINWATERS 31-May-13 21:47
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 443 LonelyAngel 30-May-13 17:43
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 443 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:24
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 497 cladking 01-Jun-13 03:28
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 486 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 444 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 449 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 661 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 493 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
Re: Logbook doubts 508 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 933 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 765 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
Re: Logbook doubts 560 Merrell 19-May-13 16:43
Re: Logbook doubts 494 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 453 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
Re: Logbook doubts 578 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 13:58
Re: Logbook doubts 465 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 486 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
Re: Logbook doubts 520 HungryHun 20-May-13 22:02
Re: Logbook doubts 483 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:05
Re: Logbook doubts 501 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 489 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 503 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
Moghrah 505 Merrell 21-May-13 18:09
Re: Logbook doubts 387 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 23:38
Re: Logbook doubts 409 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 423 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 468 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
Re: Logbook doubts 488 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 10:42
Re: Logbook doubts 450 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
Re: Logbook doubts 429 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 17:44
Re: Logbook doubts 367 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
Re: Logbook doubts 358 cladking 23-May-13 00:51
Re: Logbook doubts 371 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
Re: Logbook doubts 405 Martin Stower 20-May-13 19:19
Re: Logbook doubts 324 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 19:35
Re: Logbook doubts 443 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
Moderator Warning 520 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:12
Moderator Warning 427 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:11
Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 395 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
Re: Logbook doubts 437 Audrey 22-May-13 02:50
Re: Logbook doubts 380 Merrell 22-May-13 12:53
Re: Logbook doubts 353 Audrey 24-May-13 01:48
Moderator Caution 314 Hoppy 22-May-13 12:55
Re: Logbook doubts 318 Martin Stower 22-May-13 16:06
Re: Logbook doubts 277 Audrey 24-May-13 01:41
Re: Logbook doubts 279 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:56
Re: Logbook doubts 263 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:40
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 345 Thanos5150 16-May-13 19:41
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 308 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 21:56
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 292 Thanos5150 16-May-13 23:11
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 275 Dr. Troglodyte 17-May-13 00:01
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 313 Thanos5150 17-May-13 00:30
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 281 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
Moderator Caution 321 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:09
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 245 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 291 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 278 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 299 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 204 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 232 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 277 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 260 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 266 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 238 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 293 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 237 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 247 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 244 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 238 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 230 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 243 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 219 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 242 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 269 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
More Vyse wickedness 257 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:14
Re: More Vyse wickedness 338 Scott Creighton 19-May-13 09:01
Re: More Vyse wickedness 348 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:44
Re: More Vyse wickedness 354 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:56
Re: More Vyse wickedness 391 jamesglory 21-May-13 10:26
Re: More Vyse wickedness 360 Audrey 22-May-13 02:42
Moderator Caution 291 Hoppy 20-May-13 17:57
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 279 Audrey 14-Jun-14 21:11
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 248 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:49
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 255 Scott Creighton 15-Jun-14 00:13
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 282 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 00:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 257 cladking 15-Jun-14 01:12
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 242 Sirfiroth 15-Jun-14 19:09
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 283 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:40
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 270 Audrey 16-Jun-14 03:32
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 378 eyeofhorus33 16-Jun-14 18:38
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 265 Audrey 23-Jun-14 03:15
Australian Funeral 301 molder 15-Jun-14 05:03
Re: Australian Funeral 418 Audrey 16-Jun-14 03:56
Re: Australian Funeral 239 molder 16-Jun-14 12:06
Re: Australian Funeral 251 cladking 16-Jun-14 16:50
Re: Australian Funeral 227 Audrey 23-Jun-14 01:58
Re: Australian Funeral 268 molder 19-Jun-14 07:25
Re: Australian Funeral 243 molder 20-Jun-14 10:28
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