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SC: By placing his hat into the dirty ring, the man knew exactly what he was doing and what he would have to do to get what he wanted.

MS: Another product of your mystical insight?

SC: What – you think Tricky Dicky was some bumbling idiot martinet that hadn’t a clue how to fight dirty? Are you that naive?

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MS: What he had to do in fact does not include anything and everything you make up (such as, violence, intimidation and threats of eviction which never happened).

SC: I am not saying Tricky Dicky “had” to employ such methods—just highlighting the fact that these were known and used practices at elections in this period and that such strong-arm tactics were as available to him as they were to every other corrupt politician back in the day. The point is – Tricky Dicky would have understood before entering the ring that if the vote was tight and buying votes was unlikely to swing it for him, then these other strong-arm tactics would most likely have to come into play. He would have been well aware of the full spectrum of tactics (some dirtier than others) that were available before he ever set foot in the dirty ring--and well aware also that he might actually have to resort to using them. And yet such prior awareness did not deter him from entering the squalid race. Of course, he may well have hoped that he would never have to stoop so low by employing such shameful tactics but I venture that if the situation arose where he had to use such strong-arm tactics then he would not have hesitated in doing so--just as the other crooked politicians had. His entering the dirty ring in the first place implies he was ready, able and willing. And ruthless. He wasn't in the race to lose. Why should it be imagined that Tricky Dicky would draw the line at using just one dirty tactic i.e. bribery? He was in for a penny, in for a pound. Tricky Dicky's patron, the Duke of Cumberland, would have made damn sure that he had chosen the right man (a military man like himself) for the very dirty job. A man who would not flinch from doing whatever was necessary; a man not afraid to employ whatever low and shameful tactics it took in order to win. Do not kid yourself otherwise.

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MS: Facts not good enough for you?

SC: The fact is that such strong-arm tactics were used in this period, especially when the vote was tight. Do you deny this? The fact is Tricky Dicky would have known this. Do you deny this? The fact is Tricky Dicky, with such fore-knowledge, STILL entered the dirty ring. You cannot deny this.

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SC: That you are happy to take the word of Tricky Dicky on 'faith' is entirely your business.

MS: That this is a matter of taking someone’s “word” or taking something on “faith” is your fabrication.

SC: Call it what you like--you take the dubious word of Tricky Dicky over and above any need for scientifically testing the inscriptions you assert that he 'found'; inscriptions that--irrespective of your lame and lamentable protestations--Tricky Dicky COULD have easily forged. (Yes, contrary to what you have always held to be true, there IS a relatively easy way a forgery COULD have been perpetrated by him and his team in these chambers). Do you not yet see how ridiculous and untenable your position has now become? How many decades now have you invested in your charade of protesting Tricky Dicky's innocence?

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MS: The case against the forgery fantasia has never depended on imagining that Vyse was a plaster saint.

SC: I certainly never for a single moment imagined Tricky Dicky to be a "plaster saint" but, nevertheless, it's encouraging to see that you are finally moving your opinion of him in the right direction.

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MS: It’s far more a matter of recognising the checks and balances inherent in the situation.

SC: Well that is exactly the problem--there are no "checks and balances" here. That is what I have been asking here (and elsewhere) for weeks now--that forensic scientists are permitted into those chambers to CHECK those inscriptions in order to provide us with a more BALANCED view. But at every turn, the skeptics here resist this suggestion, insisting that such is not needed, that the word of Tricky Dicky can be trusted. Are you all listening to yourselves?

Now, you can try and spin it, candy-floss it or sugar-coat it in any way you like—Tricky Dicky cannot be trusted on his word. Plain. Simple. It is far more a matter of obtaining REAL evidence to prove the inscriptions in those chambers are authentic rather than basing their veracity on the dubious word of Tricky Dicky.

What's the problem with doing the science? What is it you are afraid of?

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SC: Would I accept the word of a person who can suspend their morality whenever it suits them to do so? I really don’t think so.

MS: That’s entirely your business.

SC: Good--glad you agree.

SC



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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 1245 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 588 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 557 Nejc 11-May-13 16:15
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 573 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 563 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 640 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 607 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, excavator 513 Merrell 13-May-13 13:11
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 561 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 589 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 471 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 558 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 562 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 679 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 683 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 568 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 508 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 635 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 546 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 548 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 497 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 556 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 622 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 549 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 520 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 518 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 613 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 554 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 646 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 641 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 16:26
Logbook doubts 552 Merrell 16-May-13 21:38
Re: Logbook doubts 594 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 22:46
Re: Logbook doubts 490 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
Re: Logbook doubts 558 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 08:00
Re: Logbook doubts 551 Merrell 17-May-13 14:30
Re: Logbook doubts 784 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 14:56
Re: Logbook doubts 553 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 531 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 500 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 586 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 677 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 682 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 473 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 564 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 603 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 603 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 529 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 560 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
Re: Logbook doubts 479 Morten 21-May-13 10:40
Re: Logbook doubts 567 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 574 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 610 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
Re: Logbook doubts 555 Morten 21-May-13 13:19
Re: Logbook doubts 665 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
Re: Logbook doubts 559 Merrell 21-May-13 14:16
Re: Logbook doubts 568 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:27
Re: Logbook doubts 682 Merrell 21-May-13 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 585 Morten 21-May-13 14:37
Re: Logbook doubts 551 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:54
Re: Logbook doubts 584 Morten 22-May-13 10:51
Re: Logbook doubts 611 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:13
Re: Logbook doubts 647 Audrey 22-May-13 02:20
Re: Logbook doubts 552 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
Re: Logbook doubts 520 Martin Stower 22-May-13 15:02
Re: Logbook doubts 535 Audrey 24-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 908 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:43
Re: Logbook doubts 445 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
Re: Logbook doubts 469 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 13:15
Re: Logbook doubts 595 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
Re: Logbook doubts 585 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
Re: Logbook doubts 517 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 548 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 542 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 845 eyeofhorus33 11-Jun-14 22:18
Re: Logbook doubts 572 Audrey 12-Jun-14 21:22
Re: Logbook doubts 511 eyeofhorus33 12-Jun-14 22:20
Re: Logbook doubts 513 cladking 13-Jun-14 00:24
Re: Logbook doubts 496 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 22:53
Re: Logbook doubts 509 cladking 13-Jun-14 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 511 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 509 cladking 14-Jun-14 00:17
Re: Logbook doubts 526 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
Re: Logbook doubts 587 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 528 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
context and customs 484 Audrey 14-Jun-14 19:25
Re: context and customs 471 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 549 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 523 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 519 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
Re: Logbook doubts 549 cladking 15-Jun-14 00:29
Re: Logbook doubts 540 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 528 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 535 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
Language doubts 490 cladking 15-Jun-14 21:48
Re: Language doubts 500 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 510 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 509 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 555 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 427 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 567 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 494 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 500 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 487 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 449 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 518 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 502 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 499 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 585 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 511 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 492 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 371 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 537 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 515 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 515 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 509 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 485 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
Re: Conspired....inspire d by money 548 Ratcho 03-Jun-13 05:57
Re: Logbook doubts 456 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:23
Re: Logbook doubts 517 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
Re: Logbook doubts 517 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:25
Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 490 LonelyAngel 29-May-13 14:41
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 474 Nejc 29-May-13 23:23
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 486 Merrell 30-May-13 09:25
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 585 Martin Stower 30-May-13 12:48
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 525 WINDINWATERS 30-May-13 14:40
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 420 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:00
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 482 WINDINWATERS 31-May-13 21:47
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 470 LonelyAngel 30-May-13 17:43
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 471 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:24
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 524 cladking 01-Jun-13 03:28
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 512 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 499 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 476 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 688 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 520 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
Re: Logbook doubts 535 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 985 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 808 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
Re: Logbook doubts 586 Merrell 19-May-13 16:43
Re: Logbook doubts 520 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 482 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
Re: Logbook doubts 617 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 13:58
Re: Logbook doubts 492 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 513 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
Re: Logbook doubts 551 HungryHun 20-May-13 22:02
Re: Logbook doubts 510 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:05
Re: Logbook doubts 527 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 522 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 530 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
Moghrah 532 Merrell 21-May-13 18:09
Re: Logbook doubts 416 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 23:38
Re: Logbook doubts 436 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 454 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 496 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
Re: Logbook doubts 555 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 10:42
Re: Logbook doubts 474 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
Re: Logbook doubts 456 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 17:44
Re: Logbook doubts 406 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
Re: Logbook doubts 385 cladking 23-May-13 00:51
Re: Logbook doubts 399 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
Re: Logbook doubts 435 Martin Stower 20-May-13 19:19
Re: Logbook doubts 352 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 19:35
Re: Logbook doubts 469 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
Moderator Warning 670 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:12
Moderator Warning 455 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:11
Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 424 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
Re: Logbook doubts 462 Audrey 22-May-13 02:50
Re: Logbook doubts 406 Merrell 22-May-13 12:53
Re: Logbook doubts 378 Audrey 24-May-13 01:48
Moderator Caution 341 Hoppy 22-May-13 12:55
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Re: Logbook doubts 303 Audrey 24-May-13 01:41
Re: Logbook doubts 309 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:56
Re: Logbook doubts 294 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:40
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Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 376 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 21:56
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 318 Thanos5150 16-May-13 23:11
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 303 Dr. Troglodyte 17-May-13 00:01
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 341 Thanos5150 17-May-13 00:30
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 309 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
Moderator Caution 349 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:09
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 272 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 317 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 309 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 389 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 231 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 265 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 307 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 288 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 290 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 264 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 320 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 265 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 272 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 270 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 266 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 255 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 268 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 247 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 270 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 296 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
More Vyse wickedness 286 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:14
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Re: More Vyse wickedness 374 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:44
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Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 284 Scott Creighton 15-Jun-14 00:13
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