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SC: By placing his hat into the dirty ring, the man knew exactly what he was doing and what he would have to do to get what he wanted.

MS: Another product of your mystical insight?

SC: What – you think Tricky Dicky was some bumbling idiot martinet that hadn’t a clue how to fight dirty? Are you that naive?

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MS: What he had to do in fact does not include anything and everything you make up (such as, violence, intimidation and threats of eviction which never happened).

SC: I am not saying Tricky Dicky “had” to employ such methods—just highlighting the fact that these were known and used practices at elections in this period and that such strong-arm tactics were as available to him as they were to every other corrupt politician back in the day. The point is – Tricky Dicky would have understood before entering the ring that if the vote was tight and buying votes was unlikely to swing it for him, then these other strong-arm tactics would most likely have to come into play. He would have been well aware of the full spectrum of tactics (some dirtier than others) that were available before he ever set foot in the dirty ring--and well aware also that he might actually have to resort to using them. And yet such prior awareness did not deter him from entering the squalid race. Of course, he may well have hoped that he would never have to stoop so low by employing such shameful tactics but I venture that if the situation arose where he had to use such strong-arm tactics then he would not have hesitated in doing so--just as the other crooked politicians had. His entering the dirty ring in the first place implies he was ready, able and willing. And ruthless. He wasn't in the race to lose. Why should it be imagined that Tricky Dicky would draw the line at using just one dirty tactic i.e. bribery? He was in for a penny, in for a pound. Tricky Dicky's patron, the Duke of Cumberland, would have made damn sure that he had chosen the right man (a military man like himself) for the very dirty job. A man who would not flinch from doing whatever was necessary; a man not afraid to employ whatever low and shameful tactics it took in order to win. Do not kid yourself otherwise.

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MS: Facts not good enough for you?

SC: The fact is that such strong-arm tactics were used in this period, especially when the vote was tight. Do you deny this? The fact is Tricky Dicky would have known this. Do you deny this? The fact is Tricky Dicky, with such fore-knowledge, STILL entered the dirty ring. You cannot deny this.

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SC: That you are happy to take the word of Tricky Dicky on 'faith' is entirely your business.

MS: That this is a matter of taking someone’s “word” or taking something on “faith” is your fabrication.

SC: Call it what you like--you take the dubious word of Tricky Dicky over and above any need for scientifically testing the inscriptions you assert that he 'found'; inscriptions that--irrespective of your lame and lamentable protestations--Tricky Dicky COULD have easily forged. (Yes, contrary to what you have always held to be true, there IS a relatively easy way a forgery COULD have been perpetrated by him and his team in these chambers). Do you not yet see how ridiculous and untenable your position has now become? How many decades now have you invested in your charade of protesting Tricky Dicky's innocence?

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MS: The case against the forgery fantasia has never depended on imagining that Vyse was a plaster saint.

SC: I certainly never for a single moment imagined Tricky Dicky to be a "plaster saint" but, nevertheless, it's encouraging to see that you are finally moving your opinion of him in the right direction.

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MS: It’s far more a matter of recognising the checks and balances inherent in the situation.

SC: Well that is exactly the problem--there are no "checks and balances" here. That is what I have been asking here (and elsewhere) for weeks now--that forensic scientists are permitted into those chambers to CHECK those inscriptions in order to provide us with a more BALANCED view. But at every turn, the skeptics here resist this suggestion, insisting that such is not needed, that the word of Tricky Dicky can be trusted. Are you all listening to yourselves?

Now, you can try and spin it, candy-floss it or sugar-coat it in any way you like—Tricky Dicky cannot be trusted on his word. Plain. Simple. It is far more a matter of obtaining REAL evidence to prove the inscriptions in those chambers are authentic rather than basing their veracity on the dubious word of Tricky Dicky.

What's the problem with doing the science? What is it you are afraid of?

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SC: Would I accept the word of a person who can suspend their morality whenever it suits them to do so? I really don’t think so.

MS: That’s entirely your business.

SC: Good--glad you agree.

SC



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Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 1186 Dr. Troglodyte 10-May-13 20:14
William Wilberforce, crook 560 Martin Stower 11-May-13 12:17
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 528 Nejc 11-May-13 16:15
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 544 Merrell 11-May-13 18:36
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 537 Scott Creighton 12-May-13 11:27
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 612 Merrell 12-May-13 22:37
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 578 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 11:03
Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, excavator 483 Merrell 13-May-13 13:11
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 529 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 13:21
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 561 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:14
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 443 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:16
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 528 Merrell 14-May-13 09:41
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 530 Scott Creighton 14-May-13 09:47
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 586 Martin Stower 15-May-13 11:18
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 640 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 12:02
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 537 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:26
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 478 Scott Creighton 15-May-13 15:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 606 Martin Stower 16-May-13 09:55
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 517 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:04
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 518 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:34
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 467 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 10:43
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 529 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:00
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 596 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:09
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 521 Martin Stower 16-May-13 11:31
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 493 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 11:36
Re: Wilberforce, abolitionist; Vyse, 489 cladking 16-May-13 15:14
Re: What are they so afraid of? 585 Thunderbird 16-May-13 15:55
Re: What are they so afraid of? 522 cladking 16-May-13 21:40
Calling Dr. Schoch 613 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 16:04
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 590 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 16:26
Logbook doubts 517 Merrell 16-May-13 21:38
Re: Logbook doubts 565 Scott Creighton 16-May-13 22:46
Re: Logbook doubts 459 Merrell 16-May-13 23:25
Re: Logbook doubts 528 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 08:00
Re: Logbook doubts 521 Merrell 17-May-13 14:30
Re: Logbook doubts 624 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 14:56
Re: Logbook doubts 522 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:11
Re: Logbook doubts 500 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:53
Re: Logbook doubts 470 MJT 17-May-13 22:31
Re: Logbook doubts 556 Merrell 18-May-13 11:23
Re: Logbook doubts 616 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 12:10
Re: Logbook doubts 648 Martin Stower 20-May-13 17:54
Re: Logbook doubts 443 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 00:20
Re: Logbook doubts 533 Morten 21-May-13 09:03
Re: Logbook doubts 573 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:22
Re: Logbook doubts 574 Merrell 21-May-13 10:26
Re: Logbook doubts 499 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 10:35
Re: Logbook doubts 532 Merrell 21-May-13 13:46
Re: Logbook doubts 450 Morten 21-May-13 10:40
Re: Logbook doubts 538 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 11:04
Re: Logbook doubts 545 Morten 21-May-13 11:29
Re: Logbook doubts 580 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 12:04
Re: Logbook doubts 527 Morten 21-May-13 13:19
Re: Logbook doubts 637 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 13:33
Re: Logbook doubts 530 Merrell 21-May-13 14:16
Re: Logbook doubts 534 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:27
Re: Logbook doubts 571 Merrell 21-May-13 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 557 Morten 21-May-13 14:37
Re: Logbook doubts 522 Scott Creighton 21-May-13 14:54
Re: Logbook doubts 557 Morten 22-May-13 10:51
Re: Logbook doubts 582 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:13
Re: Logbook doubts 515 Audrey 22-May-13 02:20
Re: Logbook doubts 524 Morten 22-May-13 08:18
Re: Logbook doubts 488 Martin Stower 22-May-13 15:02
Re: Logbook doubts 507 Audrey 24-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 756 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:43
Re: Logbook doubts 418 Audrey 24-May-13 01:10
Re: Logbook doubts 445 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 13:15
Re: Logbook doubts 563 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 18:17
Re: Logbook doubts 549 Scott Creighton 10-Jun-14 22:01
Re: Logbook doubts 488 eyeofhorus33 10-Jun-14 22:15
Re:Khufu....Hyksos? 520 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 01:36
Re: Logbook doubts 510 Audrey 11-Jun-14 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 669 eyeofhorus33 11-Jun-14 22:18
Re: Logbook doubts 545 Audrey 12-Jun-14 21:22
Re: Logbook doubts 485 eyeofhorus33 12-Jun-14 22:20
Re: Logbook doubts 483 cladking 13-Jun-14 00:24
Re: Logbook doubts 469 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 22:53
Re: Logbook doubts 479 cladking 13-Jun-14 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 486 eyeofhorus33 13-Jun-14 23:48
Re: Logbook doubts 482 cladking 14-Jun-14 00:17
Re: Logbook doubts 501 Audrey 14-Jun-14 02:17
Re: Logbook doubts 561 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 11:44
Re: Logbook doubts 500 cladking 14-Jun-14 15:25
context and customs 445 Audrey 14-Jun-14 19:25
Re: context and customs 446 cladking 14-Jun-14 21:23
Re: Logbook doubts 509 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 21:29
Re: Logbook doubts 495 cladking 14-Jun-14 22:07
Re: Logbook doubts 490 eyeofhorus33 14-Jun-14 23:04
Re: Logbook doubts 521 cladking 15-Jun-14 00:29
Re: Logbook doubts 512 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 18:35
Re: Logbook doubts 499 cladking 15-Jun-14 20:56
Re: Logbook doubts 508 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 21:26
Language doubts 465 cladking 15-Jun-14 21:48
Re: Language doubts 472 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 22:05
Re: Language doubts 482 cladking 15-Jun-14 22:51
Re: Language doubts 483 Audrey 16-Jun-14 04:17
Re: Language doubts 528 cladking 16-Jun-14 04:51
Re: Logbook doubts 401 cladking 12-Jun-14 22:57
Re:doubts 510 Thunderbird 11-Jun-14 23:36
Re:doubts 468 Audrey 12-Jun-14 19:54
Moderator Notice 471 Hoppy 22-May-13 01:32
Re: Logbook doubts 460 Audrey 22-May-13 02:52
Re: Logbook doubts 421 Martin Stower 18-May-13 13:37
Re: Logbook doubts 491 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 14:01
Re: Logbook doubts 476 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:52
Re: Logbook doubts 472 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:16
Re: Logbook doubts 559 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:57
Re: Logbook doubts 485 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:51
Re: Logbook doubts 466 Martin Stower 20-May-13 18:25
Re: Logbook doubts 344 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:49
Re: Logbook doubts 511 Martin Stower 21-May-13 15:42
Re: Logbook doubts 485 HungryHun 17-May-13 15:20
Re: Conspired.... 486 Thunderbird 17-May-13 15:47
Re: Conspired.... 483 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:04
Re: Conspired.... 458 Thunderbird 17-May-13 23:17
Re: Conspired....inspire d by money 522 Ratcho 03-Jun-13 05:57
Re: Logbook doubts 428 Martin Stower 17-May-13 16:23
Re: Logbook doubts 488 HungryHun 17-May-13 16:28
Re: Logbook doubts 487 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:25
Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 464 LonelyAngel 29-May-13 14:41
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 447 Nejc 29-May-13 23:23
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 457 Merrell 30-May-13 09:25
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 513 Martin Stower 30-May-13 12:48
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 496 WINDINWATERS 30-May-13 14:40
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 394 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:00
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 454 WINDINWATERS 31-May-13 21:47
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 443 LonelyAngel 30-May-13 17:43
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 443 Martin Stower 31-May-13 18:24
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 497 cladking 01-Jun-13 03:28
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 486 Merrell 01-Jun-13 11:02
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 446 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:59
Re: Would you buy a used cartouche from this man? 449 LonelyAngel 03-Jun-13 20:47
Re: Logbook doubts 661 Martin Stower 17-May-13 15:51
Re: Logbook doubts 493 Scott Creighton 17-May-13 20:27
Re: Logbook doubts 508 Nejc 17-May-13 22:28
Re: Logbook doubts 933 Martin Stower 18-May-13 14:43
Re: Logbook doubts 766 Scott Creighton 18-May-13 17:12
Re: Logbook doubts 560 Merrell 19-May-13 16:43
Re: Logbook doubts 494 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 09:38
Re: Logbook doubts 453 Merrell 20-May-13 13:29
Re: Logbook doubts 578 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 13:58
Re: Logbook doubts 465 Merrell 20-May-13 14:55
Re: Logbook doubts 486 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 18:46
Re: Logbook doubts 520 HungryHun 20-May-13 22:02
Re: Logbook doubts 483 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:05
Re: Logbook doubts 501 sfbey 20-May-13 23:23
Re: Logbook doubts 489 Thanos5150 20-May-13 23:35
Re: Logbook doubts 504 sfbey 21-May-13 15:41
Moghrah 505 Merrell 21-May-13 18:09
Re: Logbook doubts 388 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 23:38
Re: Logbook doubts 409 Merrell 21-May-13 21:34
Re: Logbook doubts 423 Audrey 22-May-13 02:34
Re: Logbook doubts 468 Merrell 21-May-13 21:58
Re: Logbook doubts 488 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 10:42
Re: Logbook doubts 450 Merrell 22-May-13 11:43
Re: Logbook doubts 429 Sirfiroth 22-May-13 17:44
Re: Logbook doubts 367 Nejc 22-May-13 23:18
Re: Logbook doubts 358 cladking 23-May-13 00:51
Re: Logbook doubts 371 Merrell 23-May-13 08:41
Re: Logbook doubts 405 Martin Stower 20-May-13 19:19
Re: Logbook doubts 324 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 19:35
Re: Logbook doubts 443 Martin Stower 21-May-13 17:59
Moderator Warning 521 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:12
Moderator Warning 427 JonnyMcA 21-May-13 20:11
Re: exercise elementary caution about sources 395 Thunderbird 20-May-13 19:36
Re: Logbook doubts 437 Audrey 22-May-13 02:50
Re: Logbook doubts 380 Merrell 22-May-13 12:53
Re: Logbook doubts 353 Audrey 24-May-13 01:48
Moderator Caution 314 Hoppy 22-May-13 12:55
Re: Logbook doubts 318 Martin Stower 22-May-13 16:06
Re: Logbook doubts 277 Audrey 24-May-13 01:41
Re: Logbook doubts 279 Martin Stower 24-May-13 13:56
Re: Logbook doubts 264 Thunderbird 17-May-13 22:40
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 345 Thanos5150 16-May-13 19:41
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 308 Dr. Troglodyte 16-May-13 21:56
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 292 Thanos5150 16-May-13 23:11
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 275 Dr. Troglodyte 17-May-13 00:01
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 313 Thanos5150 17-May-13 00:30
Re: Calling Dr. Schoch 281 cladking 16-May-13 21:50
Moderator Caution 321 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:09
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 245 Martin Stower 13-May-13 16:53
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 291 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 17:40
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 278 Martin Stower 13-May-13 18:32
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 300 Scott Creighton 13-May-13 19:23
Moderator Caution #2 204 Hoppy 15-May-13 14:18
Re: William Wilberforce, crook 233 Martin Stower 15-May-13 14:52
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 277 Nejc 11-May-13 13:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 260 JonnyMcA 11-May-13 18:41
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 266 Audrey 12-May-13 07:59
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 238 JonnyMcA 12-May-13 09:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 293 HungryHun 12-May-13 13:00
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 238 HungryHun 13-May-13 12:46
Re: Caviglia's complaint.... 247 Thunderbird 13-May-13 16:20
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 244 HungryHun 13-May-13 19:36
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 238 Martin Stower 15-May-13 15:04
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 230 HungryHun 16-May-13 10:03
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 243 Martin Stower 16-May-13 10:47
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 219 Merrell 16-May-13 16:33
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 242 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:02
Re: If fake, then... what? 269 MJT 16-May-13 12:45
More Vyse wickedness 257 Martin Stower 18-May-13 15:14
Re: More Vyse wickedness 338 Scott Creighton 19-May-13 09:01
Re: More Vyse wickedness 348 Martin Stower 20-May-13 16:44
Re: More Vyse wickedness 354 Scott Creighton 20-May-13 17:56
Re: More Vyse wickedness 391 jamesglory 21-May-13 10:26
Re: More Vyse wickedness 360 Audrey 22-May-13 02:42
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Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 279 Audrey 14-Jun-14 21:11
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Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 255 Scott Creighton 15-Jun-14 00:13
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 282 eyeofhorus33 15-Jun-14 00:58
Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 257 cladking 15-Jun-14 01:12
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Re: Audrey - How to photoshop a cartouche a la Vyse 378 eyeofhorus33 16-Jun-14 18:38
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