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It is more then just clear in Threaded View (irrespective of the fact that you posted one of those previous reply's out of the subthread's sequence) that Cladking's post was in the same subthread as your "millions of 2.5 ton blocks with tolerances of .010 inch" nonsense and he was responding to a message of yours that contained a mentioning of it by myself. How is that sneaking it in other then in your imagination?

As I said before, whenever you forget what we're talking about, just scroll up and refresh your memory. And again, anyone can read the thread above and see where I requested a better photo from you and where you ignored that request and didn't provide one. (And then bizarrely, you started arguing with cladking about things I said.)

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BTW, how about also posting your messages properly.... because just like before this most recent post of yours appears out of order at the very bottom of this thread with now over 190 messages, and again completely out of sequence from where it actually should be.

Just for future reference, but any advice you offer me will be disregarded and ignored. FYI, I guess...

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Certainly they won't all be....... just like we see glacial striation on hardrocks like granite from over 15,000 years ago

What? Because your magic crystal ball told you so?

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(BTW, these were not scratch with diamonds by aliens

What is that? Seventeen times now you've brought up your favorite hobby-horse that no one else is talking about but you? Seriously, don't you feel remotely embarrassed at how poorly you have been representing your fellow Egyptologists around here with this kind of incessant, insane nonsense?

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Not as funny as the laughs from the lack of evidence for advanced rabbit and reindeer farms......... no wonder they went cannibalistic in their fall from grace.

In case you are blissfully unaware, but the domestication of plants and animals is a scientific feat yet to be equaled among modern scientists. Which also means it's evidence for a technologically-advanced civilization in our distant past. Sorry, "Archae"...

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Do you even know what obsidian is...... you do understand that this natural glass remains behind for more than just a few "hundreds of years" in the archeological record... right?

So [expletive deleted] what? Do you actually have a point here?

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Ya, there is more than a lot of ancient unadvanced ceramics around......... so much for being advanced.

Guess what? Modern technology today exists alongside primitive technology from cultures who still live hunter-gatherer lifestyles in the many places outside Western civilization. I mean, HELLO!?!

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So now these advanced ones used just "modern day... steel".... just how advanced was this Co-Magmen civilization anyway?

My apologies, but I've never heard of this "Co-Magmen" civilization before. But please feel free to tell me all about them though...

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BTW, how long do you imagine the statue "The Thinker" will be around if today's people were to just magically disappear too? It's just made of bronze.

I really don't care how long it takes to corrode. But as I told you before, try and stay focused here. Thanks.

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Ya, and 33,000 years of erosion still leaves ancient mines behind to be found........ so much for your above assertion about advanced Co-Magmen mines from 3 times more recent times all conveniently disappearing.

Hmmm, there it is again. That enigmatic "Co-Magmen" people you keep talking about... Seriously, how old are you again? Because I really do have a strict personal policy against getting into serious and/or lengthy debates with teenage boys, specifically ones who think they know everything at their age.

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Because dividing something by 2 times a previous time interval does not equal zero (thus the above 33,000 year old mine)...... unless that something was zero to begin with. All you have is stone blocks and nothing else but a bunch of fringe authors making gross exaggeration/insinuations about them.

There isn't enough data to make that (erroneous) assumption. You'd have to know not only what we've dug up that's survived in the fossil record, but also what's survived but hasn't been discovered yet, as well as the total number of technological artifacts which existed but weren't preserved in the fossil record.

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Garbage dumps

That presupposes the individuals who built G1, G2, and G3 didn't recycle their garbage.

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construction debris

Why would that get buried?

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etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc

You're so transparent it isn't even funny.

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they did not even leave any
Co-Magman droppings around either. Apparently they wiped that all up too.

Seriously?!? I mean, other than the intellectual droppings you've electronically preserved in the internet record, is any of your personal fecal matter currently preserved in the fossil record? If so, how did it get buried underground and what measures did you have to take to prevent the soil from naturally breaking it down? And finally, why exactly were you doing this bizarre, coprophilic experiment in the first place?

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Other then for a start:

"millions of 2.5 ton blocks with tolerances of .010 inch"

and

"core masonry is level on the tops and bottoms of the stone blocks to 0.01 inch"

Not that photo.

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Both are complete nonsenses.......

It's singular. FYI, I guess.

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What specifically can't "no one" evaluate? Did you not actually look closely at the photo above...... it is pretty obvious that the surface is significantly eroded like Emery (1960) states.

Do you need me to spell it out for you? LINKS!?!

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Remember this:

"Here is a(nother) perfect example of your dishonest and misleading strategies designed to take something completely out of context and make it seem like it's something that it's not. For starters, those are *exposed* core blocks. And do you know how they got exposed? By earthquakes. The same earthquakes which dislodged the white limestone facing stones. Hence, those visible gaps were NOT there originally. Not to mention, as any engineer will tell you, if those gaps actually were there at that level, those tolerance errors would have multiplied as blocks were placed further up the pyramid. Hence, it wouldn't have been able to be constructed with that kind of sloppy engineering. Something which is obviously not the case."

Ya, talk about "dishonest and misleading strategies".

Why? Because most of your photos were merely evidence for earthquake damage which removed the limestone facing stones? Not to mention the fact that you couldn't even figure out that your best bet was to provide some photos from Upuaut-2 which actually show un-eroded, un-damaged core masonry? Seriously, it's pretty sad when I actually have to help make your argument for you, don't you think?

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You are not the only one making that "0.01 inch" claim...... it's been around a long time.

It's not a "claim", it's a fact. However, I mistakenly stated that all the stones in the pyramid met this tolerance level, as opposed to just some of them.

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Oh so now when you originally said "millions of 2.5 ton blocks" you actually meant the more than just considerably less volumed "internal masonry" made of Tura limestone (the more expensive stuff that is only there because it can be finely dressed). Ya talk about "changing your tune", from one post to the next, it's like listening to an MP3 player on six-second-shuffle.

Certainly you haven't had your twentieth birthday yet, correct?

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He is talking about Tura casing..... that is not the core masonry made of Giza limestone.

I know. Did I say otherwise in that post?

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Ya..... really advanced for aliens and civilized cavemen, maybe they were just trying to fool us into thinking they were 4th dynasty Egyptians!

Sorry, but none of those photos change anything. Not to mention, one still cannot tell what kind of saw left that saw-mark. But regardless, I'm curious to know why did the Egyptians all of the sudden stop decorating the insides of their monuments with hieroglyphs during the 4th dynasty then (as evidenced by G1, G2, and G3)? And why did they all of the sudden lose the ability to make such massive and advanced monuments in future dynasties? Care to explain that to everyone, "Archae"? Did it have something to do with the enigmatic and mysterious "Co-Magmen" people?

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"several tens of thousands of which were placed with tolerances of .010 inch."

There are only few casing stones left on the Great Pyramid......

So? There were approximately 144,000 to begin with. Or do you think the missing casing stones had different tolerances than the surviving ones for some weird reason?

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It is also pretty clear from some of those photos above that there ----> might <---- be a lot of potential blocks considerably less than a ton in that "millions of 2.5 ton blocks". Maybe you should do some more imagining to get a better estimate..... or better yet actually make an effort to go and learn something that is actually real about the GP.

Thanks for even more unintentional humor. Much appreciated.

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It's not a "minor error" it was another example of "grossly exaggerated" fringe nonsenses, and one might expect if it was not stopped here and now it would still be out there being spread with deliberate glee.

Sorry "Archae", but nonsense is singular. As for the rest, I'm not going to dignify that absurdity with a response. No offense, of course...

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According to the "Ancient Aliens Debunked" transcripts diamonds are discussed in the section on Pumapunku and Pyramids...... so let me get this straight...... the "Ancient Aliens" videos are off topic and anything in the "Ancient Aliens Debunked" video that you have either not watched and/or don't want to discuss are all "off-topic" too.... anything else?

Eighteen times now? Seriously, you love beating that dead (hobby) horse don't you??? Because as I said before, nobody made that claim in the video, no matter how hard you want to pretend someone did... But regardless, that's not the issue here, especially since you still have this statement to deal with:

"The crux of the matter is a basic understanding of engineering and mathematics, specifically the ability to quarry, transport, and place millions of 2.5 ton blocks, placing a stone every 5 minutes, day and night, for 20 years, several tens of thousands of which were placed with tolerances of .010 inch."

And if you continue to ignore the above, then I'll have to ignore any/all further diversions/obfuscations on your part. Because this never-ending schtick of yours is getting pretty stale already...



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Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 437 Bobajot 20-Feb-13 02:09
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Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 469 Bobajot 20-Feb-13 13:35
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 474 Archae Solenhofen 20-Feb-13 18:01
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 448 Bobajot 20-Feb-13 23:29
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 477 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 16:17
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 546 Bobajot 22-Feb-13 23:08
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 635 Archae Solenhofen 22-Feb-13 23:55
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 440 wordsmyth 23-Feb-13 00:24
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 486 cladking 23-Feb-13 00:41
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 461 wordsmyth 23-Feb-13 05:10
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 502 cladking 23-Feb-13 05:40
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 508 Bobajot 23-Feb-13 01:04
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 475 Archae Solenhofen 23-Feb-13 04:49
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 498 Bobajot 23-Feb-13 12:31
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 537 Archae Solenhofen 23-Feb-13 20:25
Science Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 490 cladking 23-Feb-13 21:29
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 469 Bobajot 24-Feb-13 02:34
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 487 Archae Solenhofen 25-Feb-13 20:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 474 Bobajot 26-Feb-13 03:01
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 455 wordsmyth 23-Feb-13 21:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 463 Thanos5150 23-Feb-13 21:32
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 424 Thanos5150 23-Feb-13 22:10
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 447 wordsmyth 23-Feb-13 22:18
We would probably be amazed 375 Ratcho 24-Feb-13 00:52
Re: We would probably be amazed 412 wordsmyth 24-Feb-13 03:48
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 525 Archae Solenhofen 24-Feb-13 01:50
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 455 wordsmyth 24-Feb-13 02:44
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 438 wordsmyth 23-Feb-13 05:18
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 411 Archae Solenhofen 23-Feb-13 04:41
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 382 Archae Solenhofen 20-Feb-13 02:11
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 487 cladking 20-Feb-13 04:08
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 501 Thanos5150 22-Feb-13 05:31
I've tried hardened steel chisels 449 Ratcho 22-Feb-13 06:15
Re: I've tried hardened steel chisels 422 Susan Doris 22-Feb-13 07:15
Re: I've tried hardened steel chisels 484 Ratcho 22-Feb-13 17:51
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 467 Archae Solenhofen 23-Feb-13 05:15
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 492 cladking 23-Feb-13 15:13
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 309 Thanos5150 23-Feb-13 20:57
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 625 Archae Solenhofen 25-Feb-13 20:14
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 466 Susan Doris 24-Feb-13 15:49
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 461 wordsmyth 24-Feb-13 22:30
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 503 wordsmyth 20-Feb-13 02:22
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 477 Archae Solenhofen 20-Feb-13 03:47
How many swings would it take 502 Ratcho 20-Feb-13 06:29
Re: How many swings would it take 443 Susan Doris 20-Feb-13 17:31
Re: How many swings would it take 487 cladking 20-Feb-13 21:24
If you have the time... 433 Ratcho 22-Feb-13 22:48
Re: How many swings would it take 638 Archae Solenhofen 20-Feb-13 18:14
Re: How many swings would it take 418 cladking 20-Feb-13 21:30
Re: How many swings would it take 517 wordsmyth 21-Feb-13 08:39
Re: How many swings would it take 691 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 08:45
Re: How many swings would it take 437 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 17:32
Re: How many swings would it take 457 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 18:04
Re: How many swings would it take 420 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 19:55
Re: How many swings would it take 433 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 21:40
I'd still like to know 421 Ratcho 21-Feb-13 22:02
Re: I'd still like to know 467 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 22:43
Re: I'd still like to know 445 wordsmyth 21-Feb-13 23:47
Re: I'd still like to know 443 wordsmyth 22-Feb-13 00:10
Re: I'd still like to know 473 Archae Solenhofen 22-Feb-13 00:11
Re: Unfortunately, I'd still don't care... 537 wordsmyth 22-Feb-13 00:31
Re: Unfortunately, I'd still don't care... 466 Archae Solenhofen 22-Feb-13 00:47
Re: Unfortunately, I'd still don't care... 441 wordsmyth 22-Feb-13 07:47
Re: Unfortunately, I'd still don't care... 475 Archae Solenhofen 22-Feb-13 16:42
Re: How many swings would it take 529 wordsmyth 22-Feb-13 00:20
Re: How many swings would it take 385 Susan Doris 21-Feb-13 13:44
Re: How many swings would it take 406 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 16:09
Re: How many swings would it take 461 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 18:59
Re: How many swings would it take 478 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 20:06
Re: How many swings would it take 445 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 21:43
Re: How many swings would it take 451 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 22:22
Re: How many swings would it take 472 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 22:30
Re: How many swings would it take 443 Archae Solenhofen 21-Feb-13 22:48
Re: How many swings would it take 478 Morten 22-Feb-13 10:52
Re: How many swings would it take 440 wordsmyth 22-Feb-13 23:30
Re: How many swings would it take 574 Scott Creighton 21-Feb-13 22:55
Mod Note > Off Topic Sub-Thread 332 Dr. Troglodyte 22-Feb-13 00:01
Re: How many swings would it take 484 richarddullum 22-Feb-13 03:20
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 408 Audrey 13-Feb-13 23:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 499 Susan Doris 14-Feb-13 14:59
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 415 cladking 14-Feb-13 16:07
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 470 Archae Solenhofen 14-Feb-13 15:29
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 445 cladking 14-Feb-13 16:14
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 482 Archae Solenhofen 14-Feb-13 16:41
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 506 cladking 14-Feb-13 18:57
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 468 Thanos5150 20-Jan-13 19:04
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 370 Workjay 21-Jan-13 02:42
Re: Myth and Truth 458 Thunderbird 20-Jan-13 17:33
Re: Myth and Truth 457 wordsmyth 20-Jan-13 18:34
Re: Myth and Truth 502 cladking 20-Jan-13 22:30
Re: Myth and Truth 514 Glorious 20-Jan-13 23:31
Re: Myth and Truth 487 cladking 21-Jan-13 00:26
Re: Perception 742 Thunderbird 21-Jan-13 04:15
Re: Perception 479 Glorious 21-Jan-13 05:34
Re: Perception 420 Chris Jordan 21-Jan-13 07:45
Re: Perception 462 loveritas 21-Jan-13 11:32
Re: Change of Perception 476 Chris Jordan 21-Jan-13 16:20
Re: words/music /NT 414 Thunderbird 21-Jan-13 04:45
Re: words/music /NT 477 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 08:14
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 467 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 16:53
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 454 Workjay 21-Jan-13 17:59
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 458 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 18:13
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 536 Susan Doris 28-Jan-13 16:29
Who knew? 492 cladking 28-Jan-13 22:07
Re: Who knew? 593 Susan Doris 01-Feb-13 18:25
Re: Who knew? 436 cladking 01-Feb-13 20:42
Egyptology Debunked; they wouldn't know a snake if it bit them. 577 cladking 28-Jan-13 21:04
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 540 cladking 21-Jan-13 18:16
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 462 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 15:09
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 402 cladking 22-Jan-13 15:39
'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 475 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 15:54
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 477 Workjay 22-Jan-13 16:10
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 365 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 16:32
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 457 Workjay 22-Jan-13 21:06
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 513 Anomalies 23-Jan-13 14:53
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 507 Workjay 23-Jan-13 21:10
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 465 Anomalies 23-Jan-13 21:51
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 459 Workjay 23-Jan-13 22:58
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 400 richarddullum 24-Jan-13 02:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 443 Workjay 24-Jan-13 02:46
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 370 richarddullum 24-Jan-13 14:33
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 467 Aine 24-Jan-13 13:00
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 448 richarddullum 25-Jan-13 01:57
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 486 Susan Doris 27-Jan-13 13:02
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 491 Susan Doris 02-Feb-13 14:01
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 449 Anomalies 05-Feb-13 15:41
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 452 Workjay 05-Feb-13 17:39
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 477 Anomalies 05-Feb-13 21:25
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 488 Workjay 06-Feb-13 17:31
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 468 Ratcho 06-Feb-13 19:02
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 432 Anomalies 06-Feb-13 21:54
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 419 Workjay 06-Feb-13 22:19
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' - Why crazy now? 350 cladking 22-Jan-13 16:29
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 353 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 16:07
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 348 Workjay 21-Jan-13 16:13
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 342 carolb 21-Jan-13 17:52
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 315 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 18:00
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 365 carolb 21-Jan-13 18:05
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 363 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 19:01
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 373 carolb 21-Jan-13 19:07
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 333 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 19:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 400 carolb 21-Jan-13 19:42
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 350 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 19:58
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 364 carolb 21-Jan-13 20:17
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 332 Anomalies 21-Jan-13 20:27
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 338 Susan Doris 14-Feb-13 14:42
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 377 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 14:50
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 327 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 08:35
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 367 Workjay 22-Jan-13 02:20
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 365 richarddullum 22-Jan-13 14:31
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 388 Aine 22-Jan-13 14:49
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 356 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 14:56
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 403 Aine 22-Jan-13 15:29
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 418 Aine 22-Jan-13 15:47
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 318 Anomalies 22-Jan-13 16:08
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 425 Aine 22-Jan-13 16:23
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 405 Aine 22-Jan-13 16:24
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 403 richarddullum 23-Jan-13 04:50
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 379 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 08:52
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 347 richarddullum 23-Jan-13 14:28
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 382 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 15:19
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 399 Aine 23-Jan-13 15:42
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 377 richarddullum 24-Jan-13 02:03
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 370 Aine 23-Jan-13 14:39
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 378 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 15:09
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 432 Aine 24-Jan-13 13:19
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 374 wordsmyth 25-Jan-13 05:08
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 399 Glorious 25-Jan-13 05:49
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 412 Susan Doris 25-Jan-13 06:47
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 376 wordsmyth 25-Jan-13 07:03
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 371 Glorious 25-Jan-13 07:32
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 329 wordsmyth 25-Jan-13 08:09
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 309 cladking 25-Jan-13 16:32
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 331 Susan Doris 23-Jan-13 06:54
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 387 Glorious 23-Jan-13 07:43
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 391 Aine 23-Jan-13 14:47
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 375 BobbyH 22-Jan-13 19:21
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 371 Aine 22-Jan-13 19:41
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 365 BobbyH 22-Jan-13 19:56
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 442 Aine 22-Jan-13 19:59
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 479 Aine 22-Jan-13 20:09
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 403 Glorious 22-Jan-13 20:52
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 371 BobbyH 22-Jan-13 14:57
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 353 Workjay 22-Jan-13 15:08
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 373 BobbyH 22-Jan-13 15:41
Episode: "Destination Orion" was very well done 372 David L 17-Jan-13 17:35
Re: Episode: "Destination Orion" was very well done 370 Thomas Brophy 03-Mar-13 23:30
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 242 wordsmyth 23-Jan-13 08:10
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 411 Archae Solenhofen 25-Jan-13 03:28
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 412 wordsmyth 25-Jan-13 06:32
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 468 Thanos5150 25-Jan-13 18:22
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 367 Sangreal Sea 25-Jan-13 19:11
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 399 Warwick 11-Feb-13 22:32
The latest episode "Alien Abductions" is the most absurd yet 349 David L 23-Feb-13 23:41
Re: The latest episode "Alien Abductions" is the most absurd yet 347 Anomalies 25-Feb-13 19:00
Re: The latest episode "Alien Abductions" is the most absurd yet 270 David L 26-Feb-13 01:44
Re: 'Ancient Aliens' Debunked - how Megalithic sites were built 264 LanceHall 23-Mar-13 00:28


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