Ya, it's still in the subthread where this "millions of 2.5 ton blocks with tolerances of .010 inch" imagination popped up..... so there is no "sneak it" here.
Just scroll up, "Archae", anyone can see the post where you quoted something cladking said, but then replied to him about something I said. Here it is:
>It is unlikely that the pyramid was built with advanced tools
>since there is no evidence for the development of such toiols
>and relatively sparse evidence for such tools coming in from
Why is that.... it's been claimed to be wiped clean of all evidence of such other than the stone blocks, which are claimed to be advanced in part because of imaginary evidences like "millions of 2.5 ton blocks with tolerances of .010 inch"?
I mean, seriously, why would you just randomly start arguing with cladking about something no one else ever said, but me? Are you really THAT desperate here?
It was only about 12 hours after your last post, so how did I know you were on a rather short vacation from the normal chattiness we’ve all grown so use to.
Guess what? I'm usually busy writing most of the day and therefore I don't always have extra time to waste with the likes of you. Not to mention, when I do have some free time, I'd much rather spend it discussing these kinds of topics with others who share similar world-views, rather than pointlessly arguing with you yet again.
Got any examples of some advanced holes in the ground to go along with where they got all that "gold" or whatever from..... we got examples of where they were mining their chert from 30,000 years ago (Vermeersch 1984) so where are they getting their advanced rock cutting materials (and the processing plants that produced them)... a wild imaginarium?
Sorry, but thousands of years from now, nobody will be able to discern the level of technology used in modern day mining operations. It will simply be holes bored in rocks with thousands of years of erosion on top of it.
"Solid stone or solid gold" are not the only things that long lived....... For heaven sake we still find Cro-Magnon coprolites around to see what they ate
Thanks for the laugh.
so did they not have advance glasses, advanced ceramics, advanced stainless steels capable of surviving more than a few years during this leave no evidence behind episode of Mesolithic advancedyness.
The "unbreakable, reinforced glass" made today will still *eventually* weaken and break over hundreds of years. Ditto for ceramics. And modern day stainless, corrosion-resistant steel will *eventually* corrode after several centuries. Sorry.
just how advanced were these lost ones (remember according from some on your side of the fence they can't carve all their rocks without something as hard as diamond (lots of it))?
What is that, sixteen times now you've brought up your favorite, pointless red herring that no one else is discussing but you? Please, have some dignity and stop embarrassing yourself even further here.
Maybe you should watch those "After People" videos, they were on the same channel as the "Ancient Aliens" stuff..... both of those crowds are claiming/imaging advanced materials get left behind for thousands and thousands of years (and don't forget the young earth creationists, they imagine finding all sort of stuff all the time from before an imaginary globe wiping-megaflood).
Vermeersch, P.M., Paulissen, E., Gijselings, G., Otte, M., Thoma, A., Van Peer, P., Lauwers, R., Drappier, D. and Charlier, C. (1984) 33,000 year old chert mining site and related Homo in the Egyptian Nile valley. Nature, 309: 342-4.
(Yawn)... Irrelevant red herrings/strawmen. Sorry.
How about all over the place in Egypt including Giza, unlike for these lost ones with absolutely nothing from before, during, or after? Oh, except the stone blocks…… and all the “gross exaggerations” that went along with them.
But anyway, since we only have only a tiny fraction of the building materials used to make all the other pyramids (and other monuments) of Egypt (excluding G1, G2, and G3), why should we expect to have some left behind from an epoch at least *twice* as old as the rest? Even further, why would those artifacts have been buried in the first place? Because for something to be preserved in the fossil record, it either has to be deliberately buried there (like corpses in cemeteries), or some cataclysmic event has to happen (like a volcano or mudslide) in which things get buried.
Oh ok, so now it's just the "tops and bottoms'.... That's right, if first you don't succeed try try try.... and try again.... how do you manage to get that new, very much less so now, previously all encompassing "0.01" claim from something that looks like this on it’s measurable surfaces?
For a starter let's take a look at the outside core masonry:
Photo disproves nothing I said.
If one reads Emery (1960) it is pretty clear the exposed core masonry is not that pristine.
Emery, K.O. (1960) Weathering of the Great Pyramid. Journal of Sedimentary Petrology, 30, 141-143.
Three whole pages of analysis from 1960, which no one can evaluate. Another fail on your part...
Again, the photo disproves nothing I said.
The first photo *might* have disproved something, but it was too far away to be useful. On the other hand, the second actually does disprove what I said. A photo I requested from you when you started changing your tune, then ignored my request and starting arguing with cladking about things no one else ever said but me. And for confirmation, I looked at some Upuaut-2 photos on Google and could easily see where they used mortar between the core stones and internal masonry. And thus, I see now that cladking was right, less than 100,000 stones have those tolerances I referenced. So then it appears that I had mistakenly conflated two different accurate facts about the pyramid into one incorrect fact. My bad. Therefore, my previous statement that "the crux of the matter is a basic understanding of engineering and mathematics, specifically the ability to quarry, transport, and place millions of 2.5 ton blocks with tolerances of .010 inch, placing a stone every 5 minutes, day and night, for 20 years" should be revised to read:
"The crux of the matter is a basic understanding of engineering and mathematics, specifically the ability to quarry, transport, and place millions of 2.5 ton blocks, placing a stone every 5 minutes, day and night, for 20 years, several tens of thousands of which were placed with tolerances of .010 inch."
And although I know you like to take minor errors out of context and pretend that they disprove the entire assertion (you know, like your favorite hobby-horses), but unfortunately, they don't. Thus, you still have to try and disprove the rest of the points made in my original statement. (And again, I won't hold my breath. But best of luck, nonetheless!)
Off topic, really! Did not Mr. Dunn make claims about only diamond could scratch some ancient rocks that were used and did not Mr. Bauval go on seemingly about 50-200 ton blocks not being able to be moved with a civilization that did not have the wheel and pulley in some of these "Ancient Aliens" videos (i.e. the one on Pumapunku and the one on Power Plants)?
Yes, they are off-topic. No one in this video makes those claims and no one else is discussing those things but you. Something you've been doing for years and years now. Rather bizarrely, I might add...
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