> Scott Creighton wrote:
> >>AS: ...made of a big unsupported granite box broke and
> >the god king's position in the afterlife was threatened say
> >10,000 or so Nile floods after it was sealed..... how does the
> >Mortuary Cult that it's believed functioning of depends on fix
> >it so everything continues on as before?
> >SC: Because you use some of the most durable materials to
> >ensure the King is sealed in his cosy tomb - forever.
> So the OK Egyptians had no clue that granite weakened over
> time...... they quarried the detritus from such did they not?
> Even in your imagination the Lost Geomancers seem to understand
> geologic time and the basic concept that things change
> significantly over such..... thus the amazing ability to
> predict things they believed were going to happen based on what
> they believed happened in the distant past. Apparently they did
> not believe in global floods (irrespective of the overwhelming
> evidence of the fringe belief in such today), or earthquakes to
> go along with that, even when the evidence of such was staring
> them in the face, instead they went apparently with obscure
> drought myths from people who live in a desert..... so why
> would they believe that if they built a ridiculously large
> granite box (instead of something more structurally sound) it
> might collapse and turn their seedpod into fermented guacamole.
> These Lost Geomancers seem more and more to be rather
> deluded........ I guess desperate survival of the civilization
> drove them to be such or was it just a result of the belief in
> a silly religion revolving around imaginary poleshifts and if
> the latter is the case is there any evidence of that?
> >The whole
> >idea of making the pyramid robber-proof (as best they could)
> >was supposedly to prevent ANYONE (mainly robbers) getting in.
> We still lock our car doors too when we place it in the
> mechanics' garage parking lot..... we trust enough to hand over
> the keys to him too.
> >But now you want to advocate a system that allowed the king's
> >cult to gain access - but not robbers. How exactly would that
> >work again? Did they have some ancient priest-or-robber
> >detection system in place?
> Ya, the people left in the temples, you know the temples with
> the difficult if not impossible for today's engineering to
> build (at least according to the fringe authors claiming they
> were built by poleshift induced global flood survivors).....
> what do you as a "drought survivor" imaginy think those were
> for..... armed forts to keep out the roving bands of MaD MaX,
> stone mace wielding, charioteers (sorry for the CAPs problem, I
> was rubbing the MoTe from my eYe looking for an appropriate
> cinematic allusion). I am surprised in such a pessimistic
> mentality they locked up the fridge so loosely.... hate for
> those guards to get hungry when things turned from bad to worst
> and had an impromptu stone pot BBQ. If you think the fear of an
> imaginary poleshift brings about the building of convoluted
> stone seedpods..... just imagine what actual hunger will do.
> >Your argument is a complete
> >abomination and contradicts the entire ethos of what an
> >Egyptian Pyramid tomb supposedly (if you believe the orthodox
> >view) was - the eternally sealed mansion of the king, never to
> >be opened by robber or priest.
> If you are going to go rouge on the flooder fringe..... I can
> go rouge on the tomb orthodoxy too. You don't have all the dibs
> for nuttiness. Seed pod..... or modified tomb theory..... what
> difference should it make to your underlying tenet?
> >And furthermore, if you were his cult one of the things you
> >most certainly would have done to ensure at least a chance of
> >an eternal afterlife would be to place the king's name inside
> >the burial chamber and on the sarcophagus. Otherwise the
> >king's ba would not find the tomb and the king's afterlife of
> >bliss is terminated even before it has begun. That the king's
> >priests felt no compulsion to do this is a big indicator that
> >this was NOT a tomb of an AE king.
> I am still waiting for you to get around to explaining why OK
> sarcophagus often have no combination of and/or
> names/tiles/decoration on them since these aberrations were
> only periodic at that time (Ikram & Dodson 1998)..... are they
> all seedpods too. Looks like their belief in a name on the
> sarcophagus (title or decoration or some combination of all of
> them) was still in flux when the pyramids were being built so
> why should they be on the KC sarcophagus?
> Ikram, S. & Dodson, A. (1998) The mummy in ancient Egypt
> equipping the dead for eternity. Thames and Hudson, London ,
> 352 p.
> >>AS: The fact that they made the roof out of granite
> >beams the way they did is a pretty good indication that they
> >considered collapse as a possibility.......
> >SC: Oh yes - that makes sense. Except when you look at the
> >Queen's Chamber roof which has none of your so-called
> >"relieving chambers" of granite but nevertheless has much,
> >more tonnage lying on top and pressing down on it than does
> >KC roof. Don't be so absurd!
> Not at all..... as I have stated in the past the 5 layers of
> granite beams are redundent roofs to the Kings chamber meant to
> maintin the integrity of the enormus granite box that Khufu was
> buried in...... the KC was an cutting edge, untested structure
> during the OK and what we see is their attempt to engeneer a
> soloution to the possibiliy the chamber's roof would collapse
> sometime in that "forever" you were going on about above. You
> see it really looks to me like the 3rd and 4th dynasty royal
> religion, presumably because of some "genius", was getting more
> and more religio-technical...... and that has the unfortunate
> side effect of being noticeably untenable when it does not work
> like advertised.... did they not after the 4th dynasty start
> going more with just the magical belief stuff as in the Pyramid
> Text on the walls?
> >The raised roof of the KC was a
> >measure to ensure that the massive gabled blocks of the KC
> >did not slip sideways into the Ante Chamber and potentially
> >breaching the hermetically sealed Grand Gallery.
> Now I understand why the flooder calamity with it's earth
> shifting upheavals all aver the world was thrown out and
> replaced with the more benign droughter claim..... just to
> protect the notion of a hermetical seal. Wow! you really have
> gone rouge...... Flood survivors, asteroid left behinds,
> poleshift recoverers, plague immurers, Battleonian Galactica
> refugees or space drunk busybodies, and now thirsty
> droughter...... it's like the Rocky movies..... these
> simple-minded protagonists got beat up by just about
> everything. At the next fringe meeting I might suggest it's
> time for a sit down so the indisputable "evidence" picking can
> be standardize, because they certainly can all be wrong, but
> they can't all be right.
> Archae Solenhofen (email@example.com)
> >>AS: [snip]
> >SC: Twaddle.
SC: Complete twaddle.