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Jon B wrote:

> You could say the same about any method of building the
> pyramids. There's no "extensive cultural record" for any other
> method either so your point is no more relevant to ramps than
> anything else. But as I pointed out ramps definately were used
> elsewhere.

This applies primarily to a single straight on ramp. Such a ramp would be much more effort and work than the pyramid itself so its absense in the record simply denies it ever existed in reality. But to some extent it applies to any ramp. While the amount of effort to build and maintain a spiral ramp isn't as great there is more danger and the effort is still great. It's reasonable to expect a God of Ramps or a tomb of ramp builders. Surely a single depiction of a ramp on a great pyramid wouldn't be too much to ask for.

> Claims have been made using a relief in the tomb of Debhen and
> an inscription in the mastaba of Qua to support the use of
> ramps, which I personally don't find very convincing, but they
> are easily as valid as your extracts from the "Pyramid Texts".

I'm not familiar with these but very interested.

> I've still got an open mind about ramps but I've also seen no
> evidence from you to persuade me that your proposal is anymore
> feasible or likely.

My idea may be less feasible except it may well be the one that was actually used. Ramps are pretty much out and they had to use some means. Until something comes up that is better evidenced, then counterweights are most definitely in and the usage of water for ballast is most likely.



Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 353 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 12:31
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 272 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 15:41
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 245 cladking 05-Feb-10 17:01
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 203 sher 05-Feb-10 17:37
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 226 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 18:27
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 273 papalou 05-Feb-10 18:36
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 294 sher 05-Feb-10 19:23
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 285 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:16
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 242 sher 05-Feb-10 21:44
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 243 cladking 05-Feb-10 21:59
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 218 sher 05-Feb-10 22:22
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 258 cladking 05-Feb-10 22:57
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 227 sher 05-Feb-10 23:20
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 271 cladking 05-Feb-10 23:34
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 271 sher 05-Feb-10 23:55
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 282 papalou 06-Feb-10 02:09
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 239 cladking 06-Feb-10 02:48
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 223 sher 06-Feb-10 06:47
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 264 David L 06-Feb-10 20:26
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 224 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:09
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 285 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:11
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 205 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:20
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 232 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:43
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 200 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:48
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 205 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:51
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 280 Jon B 05-Feb-10 18:40
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 265 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 19:00
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 217 Jon B 05-Feb-10 19:12
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 227 Warwick 05-Feb-10 19:17
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 190 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:27
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 262 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 19:57
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 191 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:04
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 263 Jon B 05-Feb-10 20:21
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 284 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:31
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 255 Jon B 05-Feb-10 20:37
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 278 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:58
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 235 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 20:45
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 245 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:26
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 278 Jon B 05-Feb-10 21:28
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 248 Warwick 06-Feb-10 18:20
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 237 cladking 06-Feb-10 22:32
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 278 Jon B 07-Feb-10 11:48
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 252 cladking 07-Feb-10 16:39
sigh.... 207 Warwick 05-Feb-10 19:15
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 245 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:25
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 196 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:48
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 274 cladking 05-Feb-10 21:11
trying to get the thread back on topic 252 Warwick 06-Feb-10 18:16
Re: trying to get the thread back on topic 243 cladking 06-Feb-10 22:37
ONE MORE TRY...... 247 Warwick 07-Feb-10 16:26
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 243 cladking 07-Feb-10 16:43
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 235 Warwick 07-Feb-10 18:45
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 223 cladking 07-Feb-10 19:00
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 236 Warwick 08-Feb-10 17:30
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 197 cladking 08-Feb-10 21:47
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 274 Jon B 08-Feb-10 22:17
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 212 cladking 08-Feb-10 22:52
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 229 Jon B 09-Feb-10 08:21
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 278 cladking 09-Feb-10 16:47
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 288 Warwick 09-Feb-10 16:05
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 282 cladking 09-Feb-10 16:33
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 223 Warwick 09-Feb-10 17:25
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 208 cladking 09-Feb-10 17:36
I found the external Ramp 229 sher 09-Feb-10 20:32
Re: I found the external Ramp 282 cladking 09-Feb-10 21:01
Re: I found the external Ramp 182 sher 09-Feb-10 21:59
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 217 Warwick 05-Feb-10 19:33
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 226 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:35
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 282 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:13
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 201 Warwick 05-Feb-10 18:59
FTR 250 Warwick 05-Feb-10 19:08
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 200 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:43
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 230 carolb 05-Feb-10 20:17
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 229 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:22
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 208 carolb 05-Feb-10 20:41
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 269 cladking 05-Feb-10 21:03
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 266 Jon B 05-Feb-10 20:31
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 187 carolb 05-Feb-10 20:42
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 215 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 20:54
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 233 carolb 05-Feb-10 20:56
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 258 cladking 05-Feb-10 21:00
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 186 carolb 05-Feb-10 21:02
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 245 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 21:04
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 250 cladking 05-Feb-10 21:07
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 203 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 21:17
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 283 cladking 05-Feb-10 22:08
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 265 michael seabrook 06-Feb-10 00:05
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 268 Elizabeth Newton 06-Feb-10 07:48
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 243 Scott Creighton 06-Feb-10 12:16
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 268 Elizabeth Newton 07-Feb-10 16:26
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 188 Rob Miller 07-Feb-10 16:30
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 187 Elizabeth Newton 08-Feb-10 04:01
Re: Old Kingdom Tyrants? 354 Thunderbird 07-Feb-10 05:26
Re: Old Kingdom Tyrants? 240 Titus Livius 07-Feb-10 12:38
Re: Old Kingdom Tyrants? 280 sher 07-Feb-10 14:09
Re: Old Kingdom Tyrants? 258 Titus Livius 07-Feb-10 19:21
Re: Old Kingdom Tyrants? 296 Drewski 07-Feb-10 12:58
Re: Answers.....for the initiated? : ) 302 Thunderbird 07-Feb-10 17:44
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 252 Titus Livius 06-Feb-10 09:37
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 268 Archae Solenhofen 06-Feb-10 18:50
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 251 Susan Doris 06-Feb-10 19:02
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 252 cladking 06-Feb-10 22:51
Some photos 262 Jon B 06-Feb-10 10:53
Re: Some photos 176 sher 06-Feb-10 12:20
Re: Some photos 179 Jon B 06-Feb-10 12:46
Uhmmm,... 194 sher 06-Feb-10 12:43
Re: Uhmmm,... 246 Jon B 06-Feb-10 12:48
Re: Uhmmm,... 201 sher 06-Feb-10 12:54
Re: Uhmmm,... 212 Jon B 06-Feb-10 12:56
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Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 282 Dr. Troglodyte 06-Feb-10 23:58


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