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Warwick wrote:

> the point is..if you CAN establish conclusively that there is
> no place where one could have been..then further debate on the
> subject would be closed.
>
> these logistics question are of far more import than ,the
> mundane in comparisson question of the method for elevating
> blocks
>
> Ie the identity of the builders of both the Gizamids and the
> Sphinx...and When each was built.
>
> and the more important Why build pyramids at all.

It has never been shown that it could be possible to build the great pyramids with ramps. There is at least one refutatrion of the possibility of building them with ramps and you'll love this; by a qualified engineer. (and no I can't cite it). There's no evidence that ramps were actually used to raise stones on the pyramids and no evidence in the culture that ramps were used.

Ramp proponents simply believe ramps were used and showing where they didn't exist in space will have has much effect as showing they never existed.

If there had been a ramp it really could have been anywhere at all other than right over the quarry. Indeed, they could have even put it over the quarry since most of the stone was used early before the ramp was very long.

The place to look for a quarry in the real world would be at the end of the ramp but this doesn't fit the evidence just as ramps don't fit the evidence. All the assumption in the world won't change the facts. And all the believing won't either.

This might sound harsh as I am prone to do on this subject but this is simply because ramps were assumed and 150 years of contrary evidence is simply being brushed aside as coincidental or irrelevent. Nothing shakes the orthodox belief in ramps.

I'm still wondering if there was actually a statue of the "overseer of the boats of Neith" in the workmen's cemetary. I'd wager if they dug up a spaceship with []nw-boat stenciled by the door and a dead pilot with the name of Seker that orthodoxy would remain unshaken.

This isn't to say that the question isn't legitimate to someone who wants to figure out how the pyramids were built. I've merely been addressing the individual points as they arise. The author has a valid point that there would be advantages to having ramps to the west ((SW, anyway) but that doesn't change any of the facts. Yes. Looking toward the SW and W for ramps might be a good idea but there are so many basic experiments and tests that need to be done that are far higher priority and far more likely to yield results that aren't being done either.

Logistics are entirely and utterly meaningless until you know how they were built. It's like supplying an army in Greenland by shipping supplies to Antartica. Frankly I suspect this might apply on a far broader scale than you think. Glossing over essential questions with answers like "they must have used ramps" is risky business. Does this sound reasonable to you or are you so married to orthodoxy that it's just insane rampblings of a heretic.



Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 354 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 12:31
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 273 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 15:41
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 246 cladking 05-Feb-10 17:01
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 204 sher 05-Feb-10 17:37
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 227 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 18:27
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 273 papalou 05-Feb-10 18:36
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 294 sher 05-Feb-10 19:23
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 286 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:16
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 242 sher 05-Feb-10 21:44
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 243 cladking 05-Feb-10 21:59
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 218 sher 05-Feb-10 22:22
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 258 cladking 05-Feb-10 22:57
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 228 sher 05-Feb-10 23:20
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 272 cladking 05-Feb-10 23:34
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 272 sher 05-Feb-10 23:55
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 282 papalou 06-Feb-10 02:09
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 240 cladking 06-Feb-10 02:48
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 224 sher 06-Feb-10 06:47
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 265 David L 06-Feb-10 20:26
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 225 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:09
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 286 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:11
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 206 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:20
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 233 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:43
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 201 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:48
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 206 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:51
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 281 Jon B 05-Feb-10 18:40
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 266 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 19:00
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 218 Jon B 05-Feb-10 19:12
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 228 Warwick 05-Feb-10 19:17
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 191 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:27
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 263 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 19:57
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 192 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:04
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 264 Jon B 05-Feb-10 20:21
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 285 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:31
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 256 Jon B 05-Feb-10 20:37
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 279 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:58
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 236 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 20:45
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 246 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:26
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 278 Jon B 05-Feb-10 21:28
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 249 Warwick 06-Feb-10 18:20
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 237 cladking 06-Feb-10 22:32
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 279 Jon B 07-Feb-10 11:48
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 253 cladking 07-Feb-10 16:39
sigh.... 208 Warwick 05-Feb-10 19:15
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 246 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:25
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 197 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:48
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 274 cladking 05-Feb-10 21:11
trying to get the thread back on topic 253 Warwick 06-Feb-10 18:16
Re: trying to get the thread back on topic 244 cladking 06-Feb-10 22:37
ONE MORE TRY...... 248 Warwick 07-Feb-10 16:26
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 244 cladking 07-Feb-10 16:43
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 236 Warwick 07-Feb-10 18:45
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 224 cladking 07-Feb-10 19:00
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 237 Warwick 08-Feb-10 17:30
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 197 cladking 08-Feb-10 21:47
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 275 Jon B 08-Feb-10 22:17
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 213 cladking 08-Feb-10 22:52
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 230 Jon B 09-Feb-10 08:21
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 279 cladking 09-Feb-10 16:47
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 288 Warwick 09-Feb-10 16:05
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 282 cladking 09-Feb-10 16:33
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 224 Warwick 09-Feb-10 17:25
Re: ONE MORE TRY...... 208 cladking 09-Feb-10 17:36
I found the external Ramp 229 sher 09-Feb-10 20:32
Re: I found the external Ramp 283 cladking 09-Feb-10 21:01
Re: I found the external Ramp 183 sher 09-Feb-10 21:59
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 218 Warwick 05-Feb-10 19:33
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 227 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:35
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 283 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:13
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 202 Warwick 05-Feb-10 18:59
FTR 251 Warwick 05-Feb-10 19:08
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 201 cladking 05-Feb-10 20:43
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 231 carolb 05-Feb-10 20:17
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 230 Warwick 05-Feb-10 20:22
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 208 carolb 05-Feb-10 20:41
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 270 cladking 05-Feb-10 21:03
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 267 Jon B 05-Feb-10 20:31
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 188 carolb 05-Feb-10 20:42
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 216 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 20:54
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 234 carolb 05-Feb-10 20:56
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 259 cladking 05-Feb-10 21:00
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 187 carolb 05-Feb-10 21:02
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 246 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 21:04
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 250 cladking 05-Feb-10 21:07
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 204 Scott Creighton 05-Feb-10 21:17
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 283 cladking 05-Feb-10 22:08
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 265 michael seabrook 06-Feb-10 00:05
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 269 Elizabeth Newton 06-Feb-10 07:48
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 244 Scott Creighton 06-Feb-10 12:16
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 269 Elizabeth Newton 07-Feb-10 16:26
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 189 Rob Miller 07-Feb-10 16:30
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 188 Elizabeth Newton 08-Feb-10 04:01
Re: Old Kingdom Tyrants? 355 Thunderbird 07-Feb-10 05:26
Re: Old Kingdom Tyrants? 241 Titus Livius 07-Feb-10 12:38
Re: Old Kingdom Tyrants? 280 sher 07-Feb-10 14:09
Re: Old Kingdom Tyrants? 258 Titus Livius 07-Feb-10 19:21
Re: Old Kingdom Tyrants? 297 Drewski 07-Feb-10 12:58
Re: Answers.....for the initiated? : ) 303 Thunderbird 07-Feb-10 17:44
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 253 Titus Livius 06-Feb-10 09:37
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 269 Archae Solenhofen 06-Feb-10 18:50
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 252 Susan Doris 06-Feb-10 19:02
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 253 cladking 06-Feb-10 22:51
Some photos 263 Jon B 06-Feb-10 10:53
Re: Some photos 177 sher 06-Feb-10 12:20
Re: Some photos 180 Jon B 06-Feb-10 12:46
Uhmmm,... 195 sher 06-Feb-10 12:43
Re: Uhmmm,... 247 Jon B 06-Feb-10 12:48
Re: Uhmmm,... 202 sher 06-Feb-10 12:54
Re: Uhmmm,... 213 Jon B 06-Feb-10 12:56
Answer this question and win a Cigar 228 sher 06-Feb-10 15:35
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 274 Jon B 06-Feb-10 17:18
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 193 sher 06-Feb-10 20:52
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 267 Warwick 06-Feb-10 18:32
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 226 Susan Doris 06-Feb-10 18:43
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 268 Warwick 06-Feb-10 19:22
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 238 Susan Doris 06-Feb-10 20:51
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 270 cladking 06-Feb-10 23:39
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 202 Archae Solenhofen 06-Feb-10 19:16
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 194 sher 06-Feb-10 21:14
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 204 cladking 06-Feb-10 22:57
Re: Answer this question and win a Cigar 218 Audrey 08-Feb-10 03:00
Re: Little Room For Khufu's Ramp.... 282 Dr. Troglodyte 06-Feb-10 23:58


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