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Milo wrote:

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Essentially, you're making a mountain out of a molehill here.
It's true that the scribes and Pharisees didn't accept Jesus as
the expected messiah, but many Jews did accept that he
fulfilled the prophecies. Jesus Christ was both priest and
king.

Ah, but they do not accept him as the physical and literal son of God. Why? Because that is an incorrect interpretation of the term.

Most Jews do not believe that the prophecies have been fulfilled. Those events haven't occurred yet. For example, where's the Temple? Christ didn't get around to that, obviously. They may have had great hope for him, but he failed.

The whole idea of the Christ-is-god is alien to Judaism. It's an article of Jewish faith that God doesn't share his power with anyone (God as One). In other words, he has no equal, so elevating Christ to god-like status is incompatible with Judaism.

I disagree that Christ was both priest and king. He was a king. John the Baptist was a priest. (And, in fact, there's a whole branch of Christianity that traces its teachings not to Christ but to John.)

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There are two expressions of the term. It's true that there were sons of God referred to in the OT, but Christ demonstrated and stated he was the Son of God.
Demonstrated how?

He had every right to call himself the Son of God. As an Anointed One, it was his rightful title, so why shouldn't he use it?

What two expressions are we talking about? I've mentioned one. What's the other?

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There are some similarities between Christ and the so-called Pagan Sun deities, but Christ never advocated Paganism or Sun worship...
Prove it. We have no idea what he might and might not have advocated. If he was an Essene and the Essenes had their roots in ancient Egypt, he very well may have done just that. All we have to go by is the Bible, and we can't very well rely on that for accuracy. I know what you're going to say--that the Bible is unimpeachable as a source and you'll use that as your evidence. I strongly disagree with that.

, and unlike the Solar
> figures, he sacrificed his life for the potential redemption of
> others. None of the solar deities did that. There is also the
> factor of divine mimicry, which I can outline for you in more
> detail, if you so wish. Judaism does not have its roots in
> Pagan Egyptian and Babylonian religion. [/quote]

Judaism has a long and storied history with paganism. How long were the Israelites in Egypt? Four hundred years? Jewish tradition holds that the Israelites were the descendants of Jacob's twelve sons (one of whom was named Judah), who settled in Egypt. To say they didn't absorb anything from the Egyptians strains credulity, Rob. How long did they spend in Babylonia during two captivities? They did not become monotheistic until after the return from Babylon. I call them Israelites because that's what everyone knows them as, but there was no such thing as that yet. They were descended from the Hebrews, and after the Exodus settled in Canaan, which was definitely pagan! Let's not forget the story of the Golden Calf. Since you believe the Bible is infallible, you have to admit that that this shows that the Israelites were not monotheistic.

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Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 409 shamanaut 30-May-09 16:38
The work of Acharya S has been debunked 267 Milo 30-May-09 17:13
Obviously Christians are going to Gawf 218 shamanaut 30-May-09 23:14
Obviously Achyara supporters are going to Gawf 246 Milo 31-May-09 00:16
I cant debate with 'Faith' logic. 249 shamanaut 31-May-09 16:15
Re: I cant debate with 'Faith' logic. 232 Milo 31-May-09 16:24
Re: Obviously Christians are going to Gawf 265 David L 02-Jun-09 04:31
Re: Obviously Christians are going to Gawf 256 Milo 02-Jun-09 09:41
Re: Obviously Christians are going to Gawf 211 David L 03-Jun-09 04:48
Everyone on this forum has different beliefs to the next poster anyway 229 Milo 03-Jun-09 09:50
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 233 David Campbell 31-May-09 01:02
Nazareth - Archeological Evidence 286 Milo 31-May-09 01:10
Re: Nazareth - Archeological Evidence 210 David Campbell 31-May-09 02:02
Re: Nazareth - Archeological Evidence 226 Milo 31-May-09 02:23
Re: Nazareth - Archeological Evidence 216 Eddie Larry 31-May-09 03:06
Re: Nazareth - Archeological Evidence 226 Milo 31-May-09 03:18
Re: Nazareth - Archeological Evidence 221 Eddie Larry 31-May-09 03:33
Re: Nazareth - Archeological Evidence 227 Milo 31-May-09 03:47
Re: Nazareth - Archeological Evidence 221 David Campbell 31-May-09 04:44
Plagiarism 242 Milo 31-May-09 11:12
Re: Plagiarism 223 David Campbell 31-May-09 17:14
Re: Plagiarism 261 Milo 31-May-09 17:31
Re: Plagiarism 272 Lee McGiffen 03-Jun-09 14:08
Re: Plagiarism 196 Milo 03-Jun-09 21:48
Re: Plagiarism 237 Lee McGiffen 04-Jun-09 02:29
Re: Plagiarism 241 Milo 04-Jun-09 02:34
Demons 231 Milo 04-Jun-09 02:40
Re: Demons 195 Lee McGiffen 04-Jun-09 02:50
Re: Demons 233 Milo 04-Jun-09 03:03
Re: Plagiarism 225 Milo 04-Jun-09 03:07
Re: Plagiarism 206 Lee McGiffen 04-Jun-09 05:23
Re: Plagiarism 220 Milo 04-Jun-09 12:14
Re: Plagiarism 244 Lee McGiffen 04-Jun-09 12:30
Re: Plagiarism 224 Milo 04-Jun-09 12:35
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 220 papalou 03-Jun-09 23:03
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 224 Milo 03-Jun-09 23:09
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 254 papalou 04-Jun-09 18:01
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 207 Milo 04-Jun-09 18:57
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 205 martinpescatore 04-Jun-09 19:06
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 216 papalou 07-Jun-09 22:40
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 203 Milo 08-Jun-09 04:41
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 226 martinpescatore 08-Jun-09 08:25
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 243 Milo 08-Jun-09 12:42
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 201 martinpescatore 08-Jun-09 13:49
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 269 Milo 08-Jun-09 13:53
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 244 martinpescatore 08-Jun-09 14:44
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 222 Milo 08-Jun-09 14:52
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 241 martinpescatore 08-Jun-09 15:23
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 257 Milo 08-Jun-09 15:32
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 218 martinpescatore 08-Jun-09 16:14
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 224 Milo 08-Jun-09 16:21
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 179 martinpescatore 08-Jun-09 16:31
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 208 Milo 08-Jun-09 16:34
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 251 papalou 09-Jun-09 04:13
Re: The work of Acharya S has been debunked 218 Milo 09-Jun-09 05:18
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 240 David Campbell 31-May-09 00:42
The Underlying Agenda 212 Milo 31-May-09 01:03
Re: The Underlying Agenda 252 David Campbell 31-May-09 01:18
Re: The Underlying Agenda 226 Milo 31-May-09 01:27
O wunden, wundenwoller heilige Speer! 202 Milo 31-May-09 01:48
Re: O wunden, wundenwoller heilige Speer! 224 David Campbell 31-May-09 02:41
Re: O wunden, wundenwoller heilige Speer! 187 Milo 31-May-09 02:44
Herodias, Magdalen and Prakriti 231 Milo 31-May-09 02:52
Re: Herodias, Magdalen and Prakriti 193 David Campbell 31-May-09 03:58
Re: Herodias, Magdalen and Prakriti 248 Milo 31-May-09 04:11
Re: Herodias, Magdalen and Prakriti 250 David Campbell 31-May-09 04:22
Re: Herodias, Magdalen and Prakriti 235 Milo 31-May-09 04:31
Re: Herodias, Magdalen and Prakriti 274 Milo 31-May-09 04:34
Re: The Underlying Agenda 243 David Campbell 31-May-09 02:28
Re: The Underlying Agenda 230 Milo 31-May-09 02:40
Re: The Underlying Agenda 217 David Campbell 31-May-09 03:03
Re: The Underlying Agenda 257 Milo 31-May-09 03:20
Re: The Underlying Agenda 222 David Campbell 31-May-09 04:11
Re: The Underlying Agenda 258 Milo 31-May-09 04:29
Re: The Underlying Agenda 220 The Kwuda 01-Jun-09 17:43
Re: The Underlying Agenda 229 Milo 01-Jun-09 19:14
Re: The Underlying Agenda 213 The Kwuda 02-Jun-09 10:55
Re: The Underlying Agenda 207 Milo 02-Jun-09 11:09
Re: The Underlying Agenda 209 The Kwuda 02-Jun-09 11:40
Re: The Underlying Agenda 259 Milo 02-Jun-09 13:41
Re: The Underlying Agenda 203 The Kwuda 02-Jun-09 11:51
Re: The Underlying Agenda 252 Milo 02-Jun-09 13:42
Re: The Underlying Agenda 244 The Kwuda 02-Jun-09 17:16
Re: The Underlying Agenda 219 Milo 02-Jun-09 22:04
Re: The Underlying Agenda 252 shamanaut 31-May-09 16:47
source of my quote 224 shamanaut 31-May-09 16:48
Re: source of my quote 240 Milo 31-May-09 17:27
Re: source of my quote 229 Milo 31-May-09 17:40
Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 227 Raja 01-Jun-09 21:25
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 332 Raja 01-Jun-09 21:30
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 245 R and M 02-Jun-09 09:18
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 232 The Kwuda 02-Jun-09 11:04
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 208 The Kwuda 02-Jun-09 17:45
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 249 R and M 03-Jun-09 04:28
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 209 The Kwuda 04-Jun-09 06:39
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 250 Milo 04-Jun-09 10:35
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 200 The Kwuda 05-Jun-09 23:31
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 231 Milo 05-Jun-09 23:34
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 217 The Kwuda 05-Jun-09 23:37
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 246 Milo 05-Jun-09 23:37
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 214 The Kwuda 05-Jun-09 23:40
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 227 Milo 05-Jun-09 23:43
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 197 The Kwuda 05-Jun-09 23:46
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 256 Milo 05-Jun-09 23:47
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 229 The Kwuda 05-Jun-09 23:43
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 206 Milo 05-Jun-09 23:44
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 229 The Kwuda 05-Jun-09 23:39
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 226 Milo 05-Jun-09 23:41
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 221 The Kwuda 05-Jun-09 23:44
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 212 Milo 05-Jun-09 23:45
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 218 The Kwuda 05-Jun-09 23:47
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 201 Milo 05-Jun-09 23:48
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 231 The Kwuda 05-Jun-09 23:50
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 224 Milo 05-Jun-09 23:51
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 218 The Kwuda 05-Jun-09 23:53
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 227 Milo 05-Jun-09 23:53
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 220 The Kwuda 05-Jun-09 23:51
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 199 Milo 05-Jun-09 23:53
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 200 The Kwuda 05-Jun-09 23:55
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 237 Milo 05-Jun-09 23:56
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 229 The Kwuda 05-Jun-09 23:58
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 223 Milo 06-Jun-09 00:02
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 224 The Kwuda 06-Jun-09 00:01
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 268 Milo 06-Jun-09 00:03
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 197 The Kwuda 06-Jun-09 00:06
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 213 Milo 06-Jun-09 00:09
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 186 The Kwuda 06-Jun-09 00:13
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 232 Milo 06-Jun-09 00:28
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 251 R and M 04-Jun-09 10:49
The two seeds of Genesis 3 202 Milo 04-Jun-09 11:39
Re: The two seeds of Genesis 3 210 R and M 05-Jun-09 05:47
Re: The two seeds of Genesis 3 219 Milo 05-Jun-09 10:21
Re: The two seeds of Genesis 3 249 R and M 05-Jun-09 13:29
Re: The two seeds of Genesis 3 222 ariston 05-Jun-09 13:41
Re: The two seeds of Genesis 3 198 Milo 05-Jun-09 14:14
correction... 199 Milo 05-Jun-09 14:16
Re: correction... 192 ariston 05-Jun-09 14:39
Ying and Yang is a flawed philosophy 249 Milo 05-Jun-09 15:01
correction... 218 Milo 05-Jun-09 15:45
Re: correction... 205 ariston 05-Jun-09 18:16
Re: correction... 240 Milo 05-Jun-09 22:30
Re: correction... 247 ariston 06-Jun-09 02:19
Re: correction... 222 Milo 06-Jun-09 03:00
Re: correction... 189 ariston 06-Jun-09 04:12
Re: correction... 213 Milo 06-Jun-09 04:23
Re: correction... 221 Eddie Larry 07-Jun-09 15:23
Re: correction... 224 Milo 07-Jun-09 17:42
Re: correction... 258 Eddie Larry 09-Jun-09 02:50
Re: correction... 238 Milo 09-Jun-09 05:19
Re: correction... 187 Eddie Larry 10-Jun-09 00:50
Re: correction... 233 Milo 10-Jun-09 05:02
Re: Ying and Yang is a flawed philosophy 237 papalou 07-Jun-09 22:53
Re: Ying and Yang is a flawed philosophy 217 papalou 07-Jun-09 23:15
Re: Ying and Yang is a flawed philosophy 237 Milo 08-Jun-09 04:45
Re: Ying and Yang is a flawed philosophy 282 papalou 07-Jun-09 23:24
Re: Ying and Yang is a flawed philosophy 213 Milo 08-Jun-09 04:48
Re: Ying and Yang is a flawed philosophy 232 papalou 09-Jun-09 04:18
Re: Ying and Yang is a flawed philosophy 246 Milo 09-Jun-09 05:20
Re: Ying and Yang is a flawed philosophy 193 Milo 08-Jun-09 04:44
Re: The two seeds of Genesis 3 239 R and M 06-Jun-09 07:54
ABC 271 Milo 06-Jun-09 12:36
Re: the end 251 R and M 07-Jun-09 10:12
Re: the end 216 Milo 07-Jun-09 11:20
Re: the end 204 R and M 08-Jun-09 07:15
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 231 The Kwuda 02-Jun-09 11:00
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 243 Milo 02-Jun-09 11:10
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 217 The Kwuda 02-Jun-09 11:37
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 226 The Kwuda 02-Jun-09 11:43
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 196 Milo 02-Jun-09 13:44
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 232 Milo 02-Jun-09 13:43
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 192 The Kwuda 02-Jun-09 17:51
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 231 shamanaut 03-Jun-09 17:07
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 218 Milo 03-Jun-09 21:50
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 214 Raja 04-Jun-09 07:14
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 280 Aine 04-Jun-09 15:59
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 227 Milo 04-Jun-09 19:07
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 303 Aine 04-Jun-09 19:51
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 245 Milo 04-Jun-09 20:31
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 190 martinpescatore 04-Jun-09 21:20
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 191 Milo 04-Jun-09 21:26
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 239 martinpescatore 05-Jun-09 06:18
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 259 Milo 05-Jun-09 10:22
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 242 martinpescatore 05-Jun-09 20:16
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 209 Raja 05-Jun-09 21:10
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 235 carolb 04-Jun-09 20:19
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 237 Milo 04-Jun-09 20:35
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 250 carolb 04-Jun-09 21:23
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 185 Milo 04-Jun-09 21:30
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 251 carolb 04-Jun-09 22:44
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 220 Milo 04-Jun-09 22:51
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 222 carolb 04-Jun-09 22:59
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 186 Milo 04-Jun-09 23:02
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 198 carolb 04-Jun-09 23:14
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 227 Milo 04-Jun-09 23:33
Re: Here's the firebrigade, fire turns to smoke... 221 Milo 04-Jun-09 23:35
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 234 Tom Hebert 02-Jun-09 18:11
jesus was a man; Jesus was a myth 223 Eddie Larry 03-Jun-09 04:44
Re: jesus was a man; Jesus was a myth 292 Susan Doris 03-Jun-09 08:40
Re: jesus was a man; Jesus was a myth 224 Eddie Larry 04-Jun-09 01:13
Re: jesus was a man; Jesus was a myth 171 Tom Hebert 03-Jun-09 10:31
Re: jesus was a man; Jesus was a myth 214 Eddie Larry 04-Jun-09 03:15
Re: jesus was a man; Jesus was a myth 245 Milo 04-Jun-09 03:16
Jesus was not a myth 227 Milo 04-Jun-09 03:18
Re: jesus was a man; Jesus was a myth 255 Eddie Larry 04-Jun-09 03:49
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 190 Diomede 04-Jun-09 00:11
For a guy who never existed, he gets a lot of attention on the GHMB 210 David L 04-Jun-09 02:34
Re: For a guy who never existed, he gets a lot of attention on the GHMB 210 Milo 04-Jun-09 02:38
Re: For a guy who never existed, he gets a lot of attention on the GHMB 228 Eddie Larry 04-Jun-09 03:10
Jesus 280 Milo 04-Jun-09 03:14
Diabolical Mimicry 237 Deep1 04-Jun-09 21:11
Re: Diabolical Mimicry 229 Milo 04-Jun-09 21:15
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 205 Enigcom 05-Jun-09 17:43
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 183 The Kwuda 05-Jun-09 23:49
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 231 Milo 05-Jun-09 23:50
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 193 deeside 06-Jun-09 19:42
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 242 Milo 06-Jun-09 20:07
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Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 253 deeside 06-Jun-09 21:08
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 209 Milo 06-Jun-09 21:18
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 237 deeside 06-Jun-09 21:52
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 211 deeside 07-Jun-09 09:16
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 239 Milo 07-Jun-09 11:16
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 231 childinthesun 07-Jun-09 17:02
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 217 Milo 07-Jun-09 17:44
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 229 ariston 07-Jun-09 17:52
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 241 Milo 07-Jun-09 18:05
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 206 deeside 08-Jun-09 14:46
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 210 Milo 08-Jun-09 14:57
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 255 deeside 08-Jun-09 21:32
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 237 Milo 09-Jun-09 05:21
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 236 ariston 06-Jun-09 20:52
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Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 219 Milo 08-Jun-09 04:49
Re: Was Jesus a Myth? Blog of Acharya S 208 Eddie Larry 09-Jun-09 00:23
jesus was there... 224 shazaman 09-Jun-09 09:54
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