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shamanaut wrote:
> Like i said above, i cant argue with 'faith' logic.
I can't argue with your faith based logic either, since you've never come up with the proof that man was created by a reptilian breed. You've posted evidence, but it's always been based on faulty foundations.
> The way you tie up the 'Reptilian agenda' with old
> astrotheological based ideology doesnt fly with me. Plus im not
> scared of reptiles.
I'm not scared of reptiles either, as I said to you in this thread, I honestly don't mind snakes. I've always been happy to safely handle snakes and reptiles, so I have no innate hatred or fear of these fine animals.
However, I do have a dislike for the reptilian mind, especially when it deliberately seeks to corrupt and lead others astray. There could also be a discussion about the reptilian mind and its primitive character... but I'll save that discussion for later...
> What i do know, is that.."The ancients placed at the 'Myths'
> center an ideal person who would symbolize humanity itself in
> its dual nature of human and divine. This ideal person- the
> names were Tammuz, Adonis, Mithras, Dionysus, Krishna, Christ,
> and many others- symbolized the divine spark incarnate in every
> human being, the element "destined ultimately to deify
> humankind."
There are significant differences between Jesus Christ and the solar deities you mentioned, not least that none of the solar deities, expanded on the globalisation NWO agenda, and none sacrificed their lives for the greater good of humanity.
> Rooting their religion firmly in the bedrock of
> nature itself, the ancient sages saw successive phases of our
> divinization being enacted daily, monthly, and yearly in the
> solar allegories of rising and setting, waxing and waning ( of
> the moon, which mirrors the suns movements), and on the larger
> scale, in the precession of the equinoxes and solstices.
> Ancient religion was solar and luner based. It is called sun
> worship, but it was much more spiritual than this suggests or
> sounds. The ancinet sages of Egypt, Chaldea, and Sumeria were
> wise and spiritual enough not to wholly identify their deity
> with even so glorious a manifestation as the sun. God, they
> understood, was far beyond the sun in glorious reality; but
> since one can speak of God only by means of metaphor in the
> end, the solar disk was the most powerful, most fitting symbol
> they could conceive of. What's crucial to remember is that when
> they extolled the sun's splendor, they saw it as symbolic not
> only of God but ultimately of our own divinity as well. The sun
> god was the embodiment , or model, of what each of us, through
> spiritual evolution, was finally meant to become."
God created the Sun but Pagan religions always put the creation before the creator, and hence you find idolatry and animal worship or deification in these religions. I agree that the Sun is a marvelous metaphor but that's all it is. The Prophets and Christ discoursed on matters far beyond the limiting confines of solar metaphor though.
> Milo, this describes it better than i could of wrote. You cant
> give credit to the ancient civilizations that preceded
> Christianity because it doesn't fit into your reality tunnel.
> The Jewish scribes made sure that the stories in the OT suited
> their rendition of History, same with the NT. Your argument is
> to based on the assumption that the Bible is the be all and end
> all of literature, i don't buy it for a minute. It was written
> by men with a Religious and Political agenda, an agenda that
> has wrok havoc on our planet.
The Bible was not written with any worldly political agenda in mind. You keep conveniently ignoring the fact that Christ said his kingdom was not of this world, and the whole message of the Bible points to that end. Your argument throws the proverbial baby out with the bath water. Like Crowley, you were involved in Churchianity and you rightly jumped ship but in that effort, you went too far by jumping out of the frying pan and into the proverbial fire. You've swung to the opposite extreme and it suits you because you want to justify getting out of it on mind altering drugs. I went through a similar phase but I grew out of it, thank goodness because you can't run away and take short cuts to a higher reality by artificially inducing your body with substances. The work that has be done must be purely an effort that comes from within and with your own spirit.
> Like i said above, i cant argue with 'faith' logic.
I can't argue with your faith based logic either, since you've never come up with the proof that man was created by a reptilian breed. You've posted evidence, but it's always been based on faulty foundations.
> The way you tie up the 'Reptilian agenda' with old
> astrotheological based ideology doesnt fly with me. Plus im not
> scared of reptiles.
I'm not scared of reptiles either, as I said to you in this thread, I honestly don't mind snakes. I've always been happy to safely handle snakes and reptiles, so I have no innate hatred or fear of these fine animals.
However, I do have a dislike for the reptilian mind, especially when it deliberately seeks to corrupt and lead others astray. There could also be a discussion about the reptilian mind and its primitive character... but I'll save that discussion for later...
> What i do know, is that.."The ancients placed at the 'Myths'
> center an ideal person who would symbolize humanity itself in
> its dual nature of human and divine. This ideal person- the
> names were Tammuz, Adonis, Mithras, Dionysus, Krishna, Christ,
> and many others- symbolized the divine spark incarnate in every
> human being, the element "destined ultimately to deify
> humankind."
There are significant differences between Jesus Christ and the solar deities you mentioned, not least that none of the solar deities, expanded on the globalisation NWO agenda, and none sacrificed their lives for the greater good of humanity.
> Rooting their religion firmly in the bedrock of
> nature itself, the ancient sages saw successive phases of our
> divinization being enacted daily, monthly, and yearly in the
> solar allegories of rising and setting, waxing and waning ( of
> the moon, which mirrors the suns movements), and on the larger
> scale, in the precession of the equinoxes and solstices.
> Ancient religion was solar and luner based. It is called sun
> worship, but it was much more spiritual than this suggests or
> sounds. The ancinet sages of Egypt, Chaldea, and Sumeria were
> wise and spiritual enough not to wholly identify their deity
> with even so glorious a manifestation as the sun. God, they
> understood, was far beyond the sun in glorious reality; but
> since one can speak of God only by means of metaphor in the
> end, the solar disk was the most powerful, most fitting symbol
> they could conceive of. What's crucial to remember is that when
> they extolled the sun's splendor, they saw it as symbolic not
> only of God but ultimately of our own divinity as well. The sun
> god was the embodiment , or model, of what each of us, through
> spiritual evolution, was finally meant to become."
God created the Sun but Pagan religions always put the creation before the creator, and hence you find idolatry and animal worship or deification in these religions. I agree that the Sun is a marvelous metaphor but that's all it is. The Prophets and Christ discoursed on matters far beyond the limiting confines of solar metaphor though.
> Milo, this describes it better than i could of wrote. You cant
> give credit to the ancient civilizations that preceded
> Christianity because it doesn't fit into your reality tunnel.
> The Jewish scribes made sure that the stories in the OT suited
> their rendition of History, same with the NT. Your argument is
> to based on the assumption that the Bible is the be all and end
> all of literature, i don't buy it for a minute. It was written
> by men with a Religious and Political agenda, an agenda that
> has wrok havoc on our planet.
The Bible was not written with any worldly political agenda in mind. You keep conveniently ignoring the fact that Christ said his kingdom was not of this world, and the whole message of the Bible points to that end. Your argument throws the proverbial baby out with the bath water. Like Crowley, you were involved in Churchianity and you rightly jumped ship but in that effort, you went too far by jumping out of the frying pan and into the proverbial fire. You've swung to the opposite extreme and it suits you because you want to justify getting out of it on mind altering drugs. I went through a similar phase but I grew out of it, thank goodness because you can't run away and take short cuts to a higher reality by artificially inducing your body with substances. The work that has be done must be purely an effort that comes from within and with your own spirit.
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