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Sorry for the delay in replying...I've had a nasty bug these past few days.

Nolondil wrote:

> "Out-dated? Lack of proof is not refutation. Is the Nebular theory refuted? Or just not proven? If some sort of solid evidence turns up for a different theory I'm sure scientists will be very interested. The chance to be the 'discoverer' of something new, get a lot of research grants and maybe get your name in the history books is a pretty strong motivation to seek out new ideas in science.

In this regard, Velikovsky wrote:

"In my paper under review, I quote from noted British cosmologist, R.A. Lyttleton, from his 'Man's View of the Universe' to the effect that Venus (and other terrestrial planets) must have been born from Jupiter by disruption. In the 'Monthly Notices' of the Royal Astronomical Society, Lyttleton after pointing to insurmountable physical handicaps in both the Nebular and Tidal theory of the origin of the solar system, demonstrated mathematically the process that I reconstructed from the annals of the past."

Also, W.H. McCrea (then Astronomer Royal of Great Britain) calculated that, based on the Nebular hypothesis, it is impossible for the planets Mars, Earth, Venus and Mercury to have formed inside the orbit of Jupiter.

So it would appear that according to the above professional astronomers, the current accepted theory of planetary formation is inconsistent with gravitational physics.

> "Planetary billiards is not an alternative theory. It violates the most basic known laws of physics, like conservation of momentum.

It was Sagan who researched the 'Planetary billiards' syndrome with respect to "independence" of probability ie near collisions between Venus and the Earth.
Venus would not he claimed, because of gravitational theory, return for more near collisions.
The probablitiy of such an event re-occurring was 10^23.

In this respect, Robert Jastrow founder director of NASA's institute for Space Studies wrote;

"...Dr. Velikovsky had his day when he spotted a major scientific boner in Professor Sagan's argument. Calculating the probability of several collisions involving Venus, Mars and the Earth, Dr Sagan estimated one chance in 10^23 (10 followed by 22 zeros) that the collisions could occur. This number was widely quoted by reporters as proof of the absurdity of Velikovsky's thesis. Professor Sagan's error lay in the assumption that the collisions were independent of one another, so that the probability of a series of collisions would be the product of separate probabilities for each collision. Dr. Velikovsky pointed out that the collisions were not independent; in fact if two bodies orbiting the Sun under the influence of gravity collide once, that encounter enhances the chance of another, a well known fact in celestial mechanics. Professor Sagan's calculations in effect, ignore the law of gravity. Here, Dr. Velikovsky was the better astronomer."

Even Dr. Robert Bass, a Cambridge University trained astronomer concerning these "independent" events remarked (and I won't give the whole quote for reasons of space etc):

"...This Sagan assumption is so disingenuous that I do not hesitate to label it as either a deliberate fraud on the public of else a manifestation of unbelievable incompetence of hastiness combined with desperation and wrtchedly poor judgement"


> "Research in what, though? Are you following the Velikovsky path of piecing together bits of mythology and then claiming it is scientifically valid? If you can provide a coherent re-interpretation of actual scientific data, that's one thing. If you're just going to assert clear impossibilities based on selected fragments of mythologies you're wasting everyone's time.

For the first sentence of your above paragraph, the answer is 'No, not at all!'
For sure, much of that mythological work was the basis for the theme of World's in Collision, but much more has been discovered since.

From a "scientific" point of view however, the late Carl Sagan wrote in 'Broca's Brain':

"My own position is even if 20% of the legendary concordances that Velikovsky produces are real, there is something important to be explained"

So, here we have a credited scientist, one Carl Sagan, who apparenly knows enough, compared with the experts, to discredit 80% of Velikovsky's legendary and historical evidence and in a field for which he has little or no training.

For the last part of your paragraph with respect to "you're wasting everyone's time", well you may have your own opinion and are welcome to it, but I think you misconstrue what it is I am talking about.
Put it this way, there is far more to this subject then just pure mythology and legends etc.
With respect, I thought you already knew this?

On a few previous posts, you have mentioned quite a few points where Velikovsky is apparently either discredited, or is completely "wrong".
Well fair enough, we all have a choice in these matters.

However, to answer all these questions at once (and I am not avoiding them), would take far too long and the scroll bar on the right of the page would diminish in size considerably, making the post preferentially unreadable, because of its exorbitant length.
So, as 'Voyager' quite rightly suggested, perhaps these particular points might be raised at a future date and we can discuss them there.
Besides, 320-odd posts on the Mysteries Board is stretching things somewhat.

By the way (unless things have changed during my recent absence), Pluto is no longer regarded as a 'Planet'.

John


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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 260 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 03:54
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 04:07
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:13
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 275 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:39
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 271 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 248 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 270 carolb 23-Jun-08 20:49
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 272 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:50
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 283 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 21:36
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 282 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 296 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 17:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 18:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 281 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 20:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 263 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 20:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 281 Gary Gilligan 26-Nov-08 21:11
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 243 Diomede 29-Nov-08 23:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 JonnyMcA 29-Nov-08 23:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 Diomede 30-Nov-08 21:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 264 Diomede 30-Nov-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 10:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 Diomede 01-Dec-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 22:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 260 Voyager 26-Nov-08 17:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 278 Diomede 27-Nov-08 21:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 21:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 Diomede 06-Dec-08 16:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 265 Nolondil 06-Dec-08 20:58
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 267 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:39
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Voyager 08-Dec-08 02:49
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Nolondil 09-Dec-08 01:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 275 Susan Doris 09-Dec-08 07:08
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 Susan Doris 28-Nov-08 07:00
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 258 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 08:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 281 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 279 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 306 Voyager 27-Nov-08 02:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 NetWorkAngel 27-Nov-08 15:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 283 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 15:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 269 legionromanes 28-Nov-08 15:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 254 Diomede 01-Dec-08 21:31
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 253 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 16:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 JonnyMcA 02-Dec-08 17:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Susan Doris 02-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 275 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 19:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 20:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 270 NetWorkAngel 02-Dec-08 20:43
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 Diomede 03-Dec-08 01:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Diomede 02-Dec-08 23:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 269 Voyager 03-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 265 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 15:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 266 degiem1 04-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Laird Scranton 04-Dec-08 23:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Voyager 05-Dec-08 00:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 252 Diomede 05-Dec-08 21:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 Voyager 05-Dec-08 23:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Susan Doris 06-Dec-08 07:24
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Voyager 05-Dec-08 03:15
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Diomede 06-Dec-08 22:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:45
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 184 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 21:37
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:18
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 ariston 06-Dec-08 00:26
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 19:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 Diomede 07-Dec-08 02:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 legionromanes 07-Dec-08 14:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 190 Voyager 07-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 legionromanes 08-Dec-08 08:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 ariston 01-Dec-08 22:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:23
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The "Worzel Ash" (Los Chocoyos Volcanic Ash) 774 Xebec 26-Jun-08 03:47
What does this mean? 275 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 06:19
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 252 mephisto 23-Jun-08 04:21
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 Nolondil 24-Jun-08 03:10
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:18
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What little I understand 239 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 09:48
Re: What little I understand 262 mephisto 24-Jun-08 14:03
Re: What little I understand 225 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:45
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Re: What little I understand 238 drrayeye 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: What little I understand 238 Elizabeth Newton 25-Jun-08 05:00
Nice Comment 222 Ghia 25-Jun-08 13:38
Re: What little I understand 205 Susan Doris 25-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 10:28
Laird does not believe Velikovsky is correct 212 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 12:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 13:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 16:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 243 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 16:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 16:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 17:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 17:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 17:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 17:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 18:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 276 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 19:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:40
Laird Scranton 309 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 19:11
Re: Laird Scranton 234 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:41
Moderator Note: 223 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 22:11
Re: Moderator Note: 235 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:35
Re: Moderator Note:Moderator response 213 Ghia 24-Jun-08 23:00
Re: Moderator Note: 189 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 285 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 21:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 22:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 22:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 Drewski 23-Jun-08 23:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 262 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 253 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Cognito 24-Jun-08 04:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:37
Possibility of venus as a comet. 222 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 13:22
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 231 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 14:18
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 233 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 14:44
Water telescope 244 Ghia 24-Jun-08 17:46
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 260 Johnee 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 243 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 16:05
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 231 Johnee 24-Jun-08 16:44
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Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 234 Johnee 24-Jun-08 19:13
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 249 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 282 Johnee 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 240 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 08:53
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 262 Cognito 24-Jun-08 18:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 18:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 257 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 258 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 264 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:08
Mod Note 233 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:11
Re: Mod Note 205 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:14
Re: Mod Note 225 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:20
Re: Mod Note 211 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:08
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 199 Cognito 24-Jun-08 21:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:14
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 Cognito 24-Jun-08 23:03
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 Cognito 25-Jun-08 03:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:25
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 214 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 03:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 191 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 293 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 mephisto 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 257 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 15:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 16:35
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 Cognito 26-Jun-08 22:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:26
Moderator Note 250 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 01:52
Re: Moderator Note 231 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:36
Re: Moderator Note 204 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 22:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 253 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 20:56
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 177 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 191 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 08:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:39
Venus see--Venus do 260 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 08:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 283 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 246 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:37
Re: Venus see--Venus do 215 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:41
Re: Venus see--Venus do 211 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: Venus see--Venus do 240 NetWorkAngel 26-Jun-08 16:45
Re: Venus see--Venus do 213 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:54
Re: Venus see--Venus do 243 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 13:15
Re: Venus see--Venus do 252 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 18:07
Re: Venus see--Venus do 207 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 21:06
Re: Venus see--Venus do 261 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 21:38
Re: Venus see--Venus do 259 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:33
Re: Venus see--Venus do 227 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:16
Re: Venus see--Venus do 224 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:26
Re: Venus see--Venus do 199 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:28
Re: Venus see--Venus do 219 JonnyMcA 27-Jun-08 07:55
Re: Venus see--Venus do 183 Me 27-Jun-08 02:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 258 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 185 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 14:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 15:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 253 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 284 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 275 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 18:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 232 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 167 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 14:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 154 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 15:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 15:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 The Kwuda 24-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Me 25-Jun-08 02:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 12:38
Moderator Note 184 Hoppy 26-Jun-08 00:52
Re: Moderator Note 258 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 08:12
Re: Moderator Note 222 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 172 Hoppy 27-Jun-08 00:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 205 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:05
Laird, have you seen this? 207 mephisto 26-Jun-08 15:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 238 mephisto 26-Jun-08 16:02
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 209 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:24
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 232 mephisto 27-Jun-08 01:53
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 215 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 204 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:47
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 205 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:18
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 193 mephisto 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 241 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:14
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 210 mephisto 27-Jun-08 03:38
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 219 mephisto 27-Jun-08 05:46
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 205 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 191 Joe Atlantis 28-Nov-08 05:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 Diomede 28-Nov-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 13:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 224 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 23:33
Thread Closed 219 JonnyMcA 12-Dec-08 23:50


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