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Diomede wrote:

> Hi Nolondil,
>
> > "You continue to make unsupported and unsupportable
> assertions. This is the problem with the Velikovsky method.
> Science isn't done by by Jedi Mind Trick.
>
> Sure I do,
>
> Fair criticism.
>
> Why?
>
> In short:
>
> Dissent!
>
> Surely and equally in support of your comments..."Science"
> itself IS also done and ruled by the the same 'Jedi Mind Trick'
> as you say, but these days cunningly disguised in different
> guises, forms, attires and various other disturbingly
> convincing attributes.
>
> "Science" is now currently and respectably "accepted" as truth
> (or at least, not far from it), particularly amongst those in
> high places, which is to say the scientific hierarchy and their
> numerous mentors...obedient servants if you will...the
> religious equivalent of Cardinals, Bishops, Priests etc who are
> the guiding pillars of "knowledge" and Society etc and whom
> actually rule the roost...and we are supposed to blindly follow
> them!!?
>

No, you are not expected to 'blindly' follow them, you are expected to examine the data yourself and follow certain methods of reasoning about it. Most people don't bother, of course. Few even read the popular news releases, let alone the actual papers. But they are available if you are interested. We are not handed scientific truth from 'on high' (well, except in school where everything is handed down from 'on high' simply because we are expected to reach a certain threshold of shared knowledge to become citizens) -- we are given plenty of information about the experiment, the actual data (where other things like privacy concerns don't prevent it) and the actual reasoning that produces the conclusion.

Certainly science can have undesirable and outright deleterious consequences for society at large. "Social Darwinism" is a good example of this. Darwin could never have guessed that his principle of 'natural selection' in the natural world could and would be twisted into justification of brutal classist and racist social policies against humans. But the basic 'tools' were developed by and for scientific thinking, and then were applied in an unexpected way. Similar abuses have occurred with Freud's psychology, and Marshal McLuhan even pointed out how communications technology was changing the way we viewed the world regardless of what was being transmitted. "The Medium is the message." The law of unintended consequences holds everywhere.

But I'm afraid I don't understand how promoting chaff like Velikovsky's personal mythology as an 'alternative' to contemporary science improves anyone else's freedom of thought. The only thing consistent I have found about his writings is that they always uphold Biblical miracles by any means necessary. The plagues of Exodus, manna falling from heaven to feed the Israelites, the 'sun standing still' over the battle of Gibeon (Joshua 12-15), etc. These are the things he's trying to explain and re-establish credibility for. Velikovsky was a Zionist and never tried to disguise that -- though it's not as if he could have! :) -- and he was trying to justify the state of Israel by returning credibility to Biblical miracles and prophecy. Does reinforcing the old totalitarianism help anyone resist the new totalitarianism? I don't think so.

There is plenty of notice taken of both the accidental ill effects and the deliberate misuse of science by modern thinkers both inside and outside the formal 'academic' world. It is possible to recognize the problems brought on by over-extending materialist thinking while still appreciating what it is really good for. Searching on the terms 'scientific materialism' or 'scientific realism' or even simply 'naturalism' will produce loads of interesting articles, many with with links to further resources. Wikipedia is a reasonable place to start:

[en.wikipedia.org]

But there are some radicals out there even in the 'establishment'. Paul Feyerabend argued against science in some quite extreme ways over his career.

[cyclewalabanda.blogspot.com]
How to defend Society against Science by PK Feyerabend

...
I want to defend society and its inhabitants from all ideologies, science included. All ideologies must be seen in perspective. One must not take them too seriously. One must read them like fairy-tales which have lots of interesting things to say but which also contain wicked lies, or like ethical prescriptions which may be useful rules of thumb but which are deadly when followed to the letter.
...

> If in my most learned career I had a choice, then the works of
> Velikovsky et al (which I began reading in the early 1970's)
> speaks far much more sense to me (and we are only talking about
> the solar system here, never mind the Universe and beyond etc)
> than conventional science/astronomy purports...with all its
> black holes, dark matter, dark energy, mirror matter, parallel
> universes etc, etc almost ad infinitum.
>
> C'mon:
>
> As Oliver Hardy said many times to Stan Laurel in times past:
>
> "Why don't you do something to help me"?
>
> Joking aside and as you well know, there are so many unanswered
> questions which need to be addressed, particularly those of
> Venus, the Earth and the other planets too.
>

And promoting mythology over well-established science helps to answer those questions in what way? If you're going to invent a mythology for yourself, or adopt someone else's, that's fine. Mythology has a place in human thought. Just don't claim it is 'alternative science'.

> Any measure of what so-called "science/astronomy" these days
> apparently suggests to be, in order no doubt to suit the
> out-dated "conjecture" (in my view) as to how our solar system
> actually formed ie the 'Nebular Theory', is also being
> continually updated to suit the "status quo" of mainstream
> conventionalism ie once again to support the out-dated Nebular
> Theory.
>

Out-dated? Lack of proof is not refutation. Is the Nebular theory refuted? Or just not proven? If some sort of solid evidence turns up for a different theory I'm sure scientists will be very interested. The chance to be the 'discoverer' of something new, get a lot of research grants and maybe get your name in the history books is a pretty strong motivation to seek out new ideas in science.

Planetary billiards is not an alternative theory. It violates the most basic known laws of physics, like conservation of momentum.

> Overall, all I am saying to you very briefly, is that in my
> research at least, Venus bears all the hallmarks of being a
> very recent addition to our family of planets.
>

Research in what, though? Are you following the Velikovsky path of piecing together bits of mythology and then claiming it is scientifically valid? If you can provide a coherent re-interpretation of actual scientific data, that's one thing. If you're just going to assert clear impossibilities based on selected fragments of mythologies you're wasting everyone's time.



--
Like ancient Rome, we today are once more importing every form of exotic superstition in the hope of finding the right remedy for our sickness.
-- C. G. Jung
Richard Wilhelm: In Memoriam (1930), CW 15: pg. 60

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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:55
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:39
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 273 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:37
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 274 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:50
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 258 Diomede 25-Nov-08 21:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 JonnyMcA 25-Nov-08 21:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 285 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 298 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 17:25
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 285 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 20:03
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Diomede 29-Nov-08 23:12
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 Diomede 30-Nov-08 21:16
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 10:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 Diomede 01-Dec-08 20:32
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 263 Voyager 26-Nov-08 17:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 281 Diomede 27-Nov-08 21:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 21:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 Diomede 06-Dec-08 16:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 267 Nolondil 06-Dec-08 20:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 258 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 268 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 277 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Voyager 08-Dec-08 02:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 283 Diomede 09-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 Nolondil 09-Dec-08 01:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 277 Susan Doris 09-Dec-08 07:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 294 Diomede 12-Dec-08 12:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 Susan Doris 12-Dec-08 14:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 277 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 263 Susan Doris 28-Nov-08 07:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 248 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 08:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 283 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 282 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 308 Voyager 27-Nov-08 02:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 NetWorkAngel 27-Nov-08 15:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 286 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 15:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 271 legionromanes 28-Nov-08 15:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 Diomede 01-Dec-08 21:31
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 16:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 JonnyMcA 02-Dec-08 17:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 Susan Doris 02-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 278 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 19:48
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 274 NetWorkAngel 02-Dec-08 20:43
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 Diomede 03-Dec-08 01:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 Diomede 02-Dec-08 23:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 271 Voyager 03-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 269 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 15:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 269 degiem1 04-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Laird Scranton 04-Dec-08 23:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 Voyager 05-Dec-08 00:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 Diomede 05-Dec-08 21:18
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Susan Doris 06-Dec-08 07:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 257 Diomede 06-Dec-08 20:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 degiem1 05-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 00:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 degiem1 05-Dec-08 01:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 02:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 degiem1 05-Dec-08 19:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 Voyager 05-Dec-08 03:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:18
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 Diomede 06-Dec-08 22:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 legionromanes 05-Dec-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 21:37
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 ariston 06-Dec-08 00:26
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Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 19:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 Diomede 07-Dec-08 02:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 257 legionromanes 07-Dec-08 14:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 Voyager 07-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 legionromanes 08-Dec-08 08:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 ariston 01-Dec-08 22:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 272 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:51
The "Worzel Ash" (Los Chocoyos Volcanic Ash) 791 Xebec 26-Jun-08 03:47
What does this mean? 280 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 06:19
Re: What does this mean? 231 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 14:53
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Re: What does this mean? 206 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:23
Re: What does this mean? 273 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 17:55
Re: What does this mean? 242 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 18:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 mephisto 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 243 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 260 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 Houcad 23-Jun-08 04:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 Nolondil 24-Jun-08 03:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:37
What little I understand 245 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 09:48
Re: What little I understand 266 mephisto 24-Jun-08 14:03
Re: What little I understand 227 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:45
Re: What little I understand 233 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 17:29
Re: What little I understand 241 drrayeye 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: What little I understand 243 Elizabeth Newton 25-Jun-08 05:00
Nice Comment 226 Ghia 25-Jun-08 13:38
Re: What little I understand 208 Susan Doris 25-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 10:28
Laird does not believe Velikovsky is correct 215 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 12:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 13:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 16:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 16:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 264 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 16:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 17:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 17:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 264 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 254 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 17:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 17:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 18:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 279 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 19:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:40
Laird Scranton 314 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 19:11
Re: Laird Scranton 239 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:41
Moderator Note: 225 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 22:11
Re: Moderator Note: 238 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:35
Re: Moderator Note:Moderator response 215 Ghia 24-Jun-08 23:00
Re: Moderator Note: 190 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 288 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 21:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 22:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 22:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 Drewski 23-Jun-08 23:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 266 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 258 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 Cognito 24-Jun-08 04:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:37
Possibility of venus as a comet. 225 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 13:22
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 233 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 14:18
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 238 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 14:44
Water telescope 247 Ghia 24-Jun-08 17:46
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 263 Johnee 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 247 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 16:05
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 235 Johnee 24-Jun-08 16:44
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 215 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 17:15
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 238 Johnee 24-Jun-08 19:13
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 254 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 286 Johnee 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 243 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 08:53
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 264 Cognito 24-Jun-08 18:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 18:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 260 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 267 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:08
Mod Note 235 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:11
Re: Mod Note 210 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:14
Re: Mod Note 227 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:20
Re: Mod Note 213 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:08
Re: Mod Note 217 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 Cognito 24-Jun-08 21:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 Cognito 24-Jun-08 23:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 253 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 Cognito 25-Jun-08 03:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 262 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 04:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 14:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 19:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 271 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 03:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 296 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 mephisto 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 15:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 16:35
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Cognito 26-Jun-08 22:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:26
Moderator Note 251 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 01:52
Re: Moderator Note 234 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:36
Re: Moderator Note 206 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 22:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 252 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 20:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 08:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:39
Venus see--Venus do 265 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 08:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 285 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 249 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:37
Re: Venus see--Venus do 217 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:41
Re: Venus see--Venus do 213 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: Venus see--Venus do 246 NetWorkAngel 26-Jun-08 16:45
Re: Venus see--Venus do 217 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:54
Re: Venus see--Venus do 247 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 13:15
Re: Venus see--Venus do 256 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 18:07
Re: Venus see--Venus do 210 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 21:06
Re: Venus see--Venus do 264 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 21:38
Re: Venus see--Venus do 261 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:33
Re: Venus see--Venus do 229 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:16
Re: Venus see--Venus do 227 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:26
Re: Venus see--Venus do 202 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:28
Re: Venus see--Venus do 221 JonnyMcA 27-Jun-08 07:55
Re: Venus see--Venus do 186 Me 27-Jun-08 02:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 14:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 15:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 290 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 277 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 18:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 14:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 15:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 15:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 The Kwuda 24-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Me 25-Jun-08 02:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 12:38
Moderator Note 188 Hoppy 26-Jun-08 00:52
Re: Moderator Note 260 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 08:12
Re: Moderator Note 224 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 175 Hoppy 27-Jun-08 00:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:05
Laird, have you seen this? 211 mephisto 26-Jun-08 15:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 241 mephisto 26-Jun-08 16:02
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 211 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:24
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 234 mephisto 27-Jun-08 01:53
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 217 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 208 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:47
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 207 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:18
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 197 mephisto 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 247 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:14
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 213 mephisto 27-Jun-08 03:38
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 222 mephisto 27-Jun-08 05:46
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 207 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Joe Atlantis 28-Nov-08 05:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 Diomede 28-Nov-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 13:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 23:33
Thread Closed 224 JonnyMcA 12-Dec-08 23:50


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