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The Strange Venus Resonance

Venus passes closer to the Earth than any other planet. Venus' sidereal rotation is 243.0187 earth days. The sidereal rotation is the length of time the planet spins as referenced to the distant stars. Venus and Pluto are the only planets that rotate retrogressively. The Venus sidereal year is 224.7 earth days. Notice that the sidereal day is longer than the year. The day night cycle (not the same as the sidereal day) is 116.8 earth days. The sun rises in the West and sets 58.4 days later in the East.

The Earth and Venus have a close approach every 583.9 days. The formula for calculating the approximate interval for closest approach of Venus is:

1 / PREL = 1 / PVENUS - 1 / PEARTH = 1 / 224.7 - 1 / 365.26 = 1 / 583.9

P is the period in earth days of the sidereal orbit. PREL is the synodic period. The synodic period we are looking for is the time between inferior conjunctions. Every 584 days the earth has traveled one full orbit plus 215 degrees. Meanwhile Venus has completed 2 full circuits plus 215 degrees (2.6 times). During those circuits it has not passed the earth. Venus has also rotated in a retrograde direction 2.4 times or 2 CW rotations plus 145 degrees. Venus has a remarkable alignment. The same side faces us at every inferior conjunction. Every fifth midnight, a point on the surface of Venus, is aligned toward the Earth at inferior conjunction.

Scientists say the Earth has no way of exerting any significant tidal torque on Venus. At inferior conjunction, the distance between the two planets is .27 AU or 41 million km. This is less than the closest distance that Mercury makes to the Sun. Earth and Venus each have a mass less than 1/300,000 of the sun's mass. We certainly do not experience tides from Venus. In fact most of us are not even aware that Venus is so close because the conjunction happens on the sunny side of the earth. How could this resonance have come into existence? Is this an accidental harmony or does it tell us something about the nature of the solar system? There are several ways to explain this strange synchronism.

1. The retrograde rotation and synchronicity is entirely a coincidence. Because of the elliptical orbits of Earth and Venus, any particular inferior conjunction can occur a few days from the mean. This results in a small discrepancy in the alignment on any particular conjunction. This small variation can be used by those who claim there is no real alignment.
ANSWER: The mean values are quite accurate despite the fact that the earth has an eliptical orbit. For example, on June 8, 2004 at 08:20 UTC, venus will pass across the sun at its maximum ingress. The longitude on Venus that points to the earth will be 334 .7 degrees and the angular size of Venus will be 57.8". Eight years later, Venus will again be in the same siderial location in the sky. Venus will transit the Sun on June 6, 20012 at 06:29 UTC. The longitude on Venus closest to the earth will be 337.8 degrees and the angular size will be the same. That is a three degree difference on the surface of a rotating planet far from us.

2. A collision caused Venus to rotate retrogressively. This would mean the resonance is a random event.
ANSWER: A planet has something called rotary inertia, or rigidity in space. The amount of force even from a large impact would not be enough to overcome the gyro inertia of a planet. Forces that can precess a planet almost 180 degrees must act over a longer period that an impact.

3. In the past Venus and Earth were synchronized by one or more close encounters. In a close encounter gravity could precess a planet. Precession is a torque which acts 90o in the direction of rotation. That means a torque in the horizontal axis will rotate the planet about the vertical axis. Precessing the spin axis 180 degrees is equivalent to changing the direction of rotation without reducing the rotational momentum of the planet.

- Laird

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A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 771 Laird Scranton 22-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 282 legionromanes 22-Jun-08 19:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 266 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 00:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 282 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 00:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 290 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 01:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 274 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 00:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 274 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 275 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 272 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 02:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 275 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 02:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 271 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 264 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 03:54
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 The Kwuda 23-Jun-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 269 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 260 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 258 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 04:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 277 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 293 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 273 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 271 carolb 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 274 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 280 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 20:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 286 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 21:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 21:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 258 Diomede 25-Nov-08 21:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 JonnyMcA 25-Nov-08 21:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 285 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 298 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 17:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 18:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 285 NetWorkAngel 26-Nov-08 20:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 265 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 20:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 286 Gary Gilligan 26-Nov-08 21:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 280 JonnyMcA 26-Nov-08 21:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Diomede 29-Nov-08 23:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 262 JonnyMcA 29-Nov-08 23:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 Diomede 30-Nov-08 21:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 266 Diomede 30-Nov-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 10:09
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 243 Diomede 01-Dec-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 253 JonnyMcA 01-Dec-08 22:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 263 Voyager 26-Nov-08 17:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 281 Diomede 27-Nov-08 21:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 21:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 Diomede 06-Dec-08 16:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 267 Nolondil 06-Dec-08 20:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 258 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 268 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 277 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Voyager 08-Dec-08 02:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 283 Diomede 09-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 250 Nolondil 09-Dec-08 01:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 277 Susan Doris 09-Dec-08 07:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 294 Diomede 12-Dec-08 12:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 Susan Doris 12-Dec-08 14:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 277 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 263 Susan Doris 28-Nov-08 07:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 248 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 08:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 283 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 282 Nolondil 07-Dec-08 19:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 309 Voyager 27-Nov-08 02:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 NetWorkAngel 27-Nov-08 15:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 286 JonnyMcA 27-Nov-08 15:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 271 legionromanes 28-Nov-08 15:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 Diomede 01-Dec-08 21:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 262 legionromanes 01-Dec-08 21:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 16:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 JonnyMcA 02-Dec-08 17:11
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 Susan Doris 02-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 278 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 19:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Laird Scranton 02-Dec-08 20:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 274 NetWorkAngel 02-Dec-08 20:43
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 Diomede 03-Dec-08 01:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 Diomede 02-Dec-08 23:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 271 Voyager 03-Dec-08 01:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 269 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 15:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 270 degiem1 04-Dec-08 23:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Laird Scranton 04-Dec-08 23:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 Voyager 05-Dec-08 00:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 Diomede 05-Dec-08 21:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Voyager 05-Dec-08 23:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Susan Doris 06-Dec-08 07:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 257 Diomede 06-Dec-08 20:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 210 Susan Doris 07-Dec-08 07:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 degiem1 05-Dec-08 00:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 00:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 degiem1 05-Dec-08 01:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 02:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 degiem1 05-Dec-08 19:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 Voyager 05-Dec-08 03:15
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 04:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 Diomede 06-Dec-08 22:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Voyager 06-Dec-08 23:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Diomede 07-Dec-08 00:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 legionromanes 05-Dec-08 04:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 187 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 21:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 197 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Laird Scranton 05-Dec-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 196 Laird Scranton 06-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 ariston 06-Dec-08 00:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 ariston 05-Dec-08 23:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 Laird Scranton 03-Dec-08 19:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 Diomede 07-Dec-08 02:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 257 legionromanes 07-Dec-08 14:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 Voyager 07-Dec-08 18:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 218 Diomede 08-Dec-08 00:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 legionromanes 08-Dec-08 08:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 ariston 01-Dec-08 22:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Voyager 28-Nov-08 05:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 272 Diomede 06-Dec-08 23:51
The "Worzel Ash" (Los Chocoyos Volcanic Ash) 791 Xebec 26-Jun-08 03:47
What does this mean? 280 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 06:19
Re: What does this mean? 231 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 14:53
Re: What does this mean? 242 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 16:59
Re: What does this mean? 206 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:23
Re: What does this mean? 273 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 17:55
Re: What does this mean? 242 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 18:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 mephisto 23-Jun-08 04:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 243 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 260 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 04:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 15:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 Houcad 23-Jun-08 04:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 06:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 Nolondil 24-Jun-08 03:10
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:37
What little I understand 245 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 09:48
Re: What little I understand 266 mephisto 24-Jun-08 14:03
Re: What little I understand 227 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:45
Re: What little I understand 233 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 17:29
Re: What little I understand 241 drrayeye 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: What little I understand 243 Elizabeth Newton 25-Jun-08 05:00
Nice Comment 226 Ghia 25-Jun-08 13:38
Re: What little I understand 208 Susan Doris 25-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 07:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 219 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 10:28
Laird does not believe Velikovsky is correct 215 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 12:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 12:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 13:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 16:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 16:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 264 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 16:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Susan Doris 23-Jun-08 17:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 251 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 17:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 264 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 254 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 17:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 17:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 212 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 17:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 235 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:20
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 18:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 18:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 279 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 19:00
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 198 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:40
Laird Scranton 315 drrayeye 23-Jun-08 19:11
Re: Laird Scranton 239 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 19:41
Moderator Note: 225 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 22:11
Re: Moderator Note: 238 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:35
Re: Moderator Note:Moderator response 215 Ghia 24-Jun-08 23:00
Re: Moderator Note: 190 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 289 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 20:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 NetWorkAngel 23-Jun-08 21:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 legionromanes 23-Jun-08 22:18
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 234 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:21
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 22:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 229 JonnyMcA 23-Jun-08 22:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 220 Laird Scranton 23-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 Drewski 23-Jun-08 23:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 266 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 258 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 Cognito 24-Jun-08 04:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:37
Possibility of venus as a comet. 225 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 13:22
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 233 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 14:18
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 238 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 14:44
Water telescope 247 Ghia 24-Jun-08 17:46
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 263 Johnee 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 247 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 16:05
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 235 Johnee 24-Jun-08 16:44
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 215 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 17:15
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 238 Johnee 24-Jun-08 19:13
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 254 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 19:28
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 286 Johnee 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: Possibility of venus as a comet. 243 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 08:53
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 264 Cognito 24-Jun-08 18:17
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 18:46
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:04
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 260 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 267 Cognito 24-Jun-08 19:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 216 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 247 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 241 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:08
Mod Note 235 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:11
Re: Mod Note 210 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:14
Re: Mod Note 227 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:20
Re: Mod Note 213 Hoppy 24-Jun-08 23:08
Re: Mod Note 217 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 221 Cognito 24-Jun-08 20:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:40
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 202 Cognito 24-Jun-08 21:07
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 Cognito 24-Jun-08 22:14
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 204 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 22:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 Cognito 24-Jun-08 23:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 254 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 23:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 Cognito 25-Jun-08 03:08
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 262 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:32
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 233 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 04:06
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 14:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 19:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 231 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 21:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 271 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:25
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 03:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 194 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 07:36
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 245 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:26
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 296 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:48
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 mephisto 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 246 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 15:30
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 259 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 16:35
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Cognito 26-Jun-08 22:22
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 249 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:26
Moderator Note 251 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 01:52
Re: Moderator Note 234 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:36
Re: Moderator Note 206 Hoppy 25-Jun-08 22:49
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 255 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:34
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 252 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 20:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 21:03
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 213 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 01:29
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 209 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 01:56
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 179 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:16
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 203 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:37
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 228 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 07:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 08:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 240 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:44
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 12:58
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 225 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 03:39
Venus see--Venus do 265 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 08:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 285 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:19
Re: Venus see--Venus do 249 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:37
Re: Venus see--Venus do 217 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 12:41
Re: Venus see--Venus do 213 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 14:01
Re: Venus see--Venus do 246 NetWorkAngel 26-Jun-08 16:45
Re: Venus see--Venus do 217 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 12:54
Re: Venus see--Venus do 247 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 13:15
Re: Venus see--Venus do 256 drrayeye 26-Jun-08 18:07
Re: Venus see--Venus do 210 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 21:06
Re: Venus see--Venus do 264 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 21:38
Re: Venus see--Venus do 261 Laird Scranton 26-Jun-08 23:33
Re: Venus see--Venus do 229 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:16
Re: Venus see--Venus do 227 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:26
Re: Venus see--Venus do 202 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:28
Re: Venus see--Venus do 221 JonnyMcA 27-Jun-08 07:55
Re: Venus see--Venus do 186 Me 27-Jun-08 02:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 261 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 188 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 14:55
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 227 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 15:41
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 256 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 15:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 R and M 24-Jun-08 03:39
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 290 Susan Doris 24-Jun-08 15:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 277 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 18:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:45
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 NetWorkAngel 24-Jun-08 19:47
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 239 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 20:05
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 236 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:12
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 170 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:13
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 206 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 14:59
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 156 JonnyMcA 25-Jun-08 15:23
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 189 NetWorkAngel 25-Jun-08 15:31
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 173 Laird Scranton 24-Jun-08 19:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 208 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:19
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 211 The Kwuda 24-Jun-08 20:28
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 222 JonnyMcA 24-Jun-08 20:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 217 Me 25-Jun-08 02:02
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 230 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 02:42
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 242 Laird Scranton 25-Jun-08 03:24
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 237 legionromanes 25-Jun-08 12:38
Moderator Note 188 Hoppy 26-Jun-08 00:52
Re: Moderator Note 260 JonnyMcA 26-Jun-08 08:12
Re: Moderator Note 224 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 175 Hoppy 27-Jun-08 00:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 207 legionromanes 24-Jun-08 21:05
Laird, have you seen this? 211 mephisto 26-Jun-08 15:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 241 mephisto 26-Jun-08 16:02
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 211 legionromanes 26-Jun-08 17:24
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 234 mephisto 27-Jun-08 01:53
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 217 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 208 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:47
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 208 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 02:18
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 197 mephisto 27-Jun-08 02:23
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 247 Laird Scranton 27-Jun-08 03:14
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 213 mephisto 27-Jun-08 03:38
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 222 mephisto 27-Jun-08 05:46
Re: Laird, have you seen this? 207 legionromanes 27-Jun-08 13:52
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 238 Diomede 25-Nov-08 22:33
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 193 Joe Atlantis 28-Nov-08 05:51
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 223 Diomede 28-Nov-08 22:57
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 244 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 13:38
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 215 Diomede 12-Dec-08 16:50
Re: A partial list in favor of Velikovsky 226 Joe Atlantis 12-Dec-08 23:33
Thread Closed 224 JonnyMcA 12-Dec-08 23:50

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