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Thunderbird wrote:

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> What if Vyse did find some graffiti,.....and then added the 2
> Royal Cartouches in 2 seperate chambers.

The cartouches do not appear in isolation: they are components of longer inscriptions (crew names) which would require of the inscriber a knowledge of the language and script well beyond that of experts in 1837, let alone an amateur like Vyse.

There are also several examples of the Horus name (a non-cartouche royal name) - well beyond the state of knowledge in 1837.

> Vyse is having conflict with Caviglia,
> he''s firing/dismissing formen and workers,

As Vyse was funding the work, he was arguably entitled to dismiss those foremen and workers he found unsatisfactory - including Caviglia (who was long gone by the time the graffiti were discovered).

> his contemporaries of the day in Egyptology cannot make heads
> or tails of the weird graffiti

Read what Samuel Birch wrote. He attributed his difficulties (quite realistically) to the limitations of contemporary knowledge: there is not the least suggestion in his remarks that the graffiti were suspect. (If the Egyptologists of his time cried ‘forgery’ every time they found something difficult, they’d have done little else.) The graffiti have been plentifully studied since 1837; it wasn’t until the early 20th century that significant progress was made. The graffiti are no more problematic than other (genuine) inscriptions.

> which is grotesquely huge

Graffiti often is grotesquely huge, then as now.

>.....and the royal cartouches.
>
> and ya....no royal cartouches found in red ochre in the other
> giza pyramids,

Wrong (and plenty were found by Reisner in the Menkaure temples).

> and not in Davidson chamber late 1700'S,...

There are traces.

> Only in the chambers Vyse blows out!
>
> Thats suspicious,
> why would a Pharaoh reveal his glory in chambers no can
> see,...or know about,
> why not in the open more elsewhere's at the GP?
>
> Vyse hits Red Ochre lottery again at Zosers pyramid : )
>
> I think its possible Vyse had Hill fraud the Khufu
> cartouches,.....

If Vyse knew enough to do this, he would have been the leading Egyptologist of his day. He could have had all the fame he could handle (his supposed motivation) without the risk of forgery.

> even if there was some graffiti scribble on blocks,

Ockham.

> [Maybe this is why his first days record on chamber entrance is
> silent concerning Graffiti or mason marks,.....

A record you’ve never read - so why comment on it?

[snip]

M.


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Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 782 loveritas 29-Jan-08 11:29
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 434 Raja 29-Jan-08 12:50
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 496 Graham Hancock 29-Jan-08 13:31
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 436 turnofthetide 29-Jan-08 16:22
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 398 Raja 29-Jan-08 17:29
Re: Hancock and Hawass 403 Oddity 29-Jan-08 17:43
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 352 Houcad 29-Jan-08 17:51
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 515 Raja 29-Jan-08 17:56
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 443 Houcad 30-Jan-08 12:23
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 462 Raja 30-Jan-08 12:37
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 384 solitaire 29-Jan-08 17:52
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 493 Warwick 29-Jan-08 18:05
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 432 solitaire 29-Jan-08 20:36
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 426 Warwick 30-Jan-08 16:14
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 433 gulsbo 30-Jan-08 20:09
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict 447 Thunderbird 29-Jan-08 20:16
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict 337 Jon B 29-Jan-08 20:56
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict 404 Thunderbird 29-Jan-08 22:28
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict 390 Jon B 30-Jan-08 07:31
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict 314 Raja 29-Jan-08 21:10
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 398 Me 29-Jan-08 23:49
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 432 Raja 30-Jan-08 07:20
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 402 Me 31-Jan-08 00:20
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 397 Raja 31-Jan-08 01:54
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 404 Me 31-Jan-08 19:12
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 454 Raja 31-Jan-08 19:22
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 373 Warwick 01-Feb-08 17:34
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 376 Raja 01-Feb-08 19:02
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 429 Warwick 01-Feb-08 19:43
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 390 Raja 01-Feb-08 20:34
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 448 Warwick 01-Feb-08 20:49
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 413 Raja 02-Feb-08 07:29
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 418 Raja 02-Feb-08 08:43
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 443 Warwick 02-Feb-08 17:27
Re: Inventory Stela 390 Thunderbird 30-Jan-08 02:55
Re: Inventory Stela 468 Raja 30-Jan-08 12:17
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict 417 bofl 30-Jan-08 00:14
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 500 Scott Creighton 29-Jan-08 18:29
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 418 Daz407 29-Jan-08 18:48
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 463 gulsbo 29-Jan-08 19:42
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 424 Me 29-Jan-08 23:53
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 412 MALaclypse 30-Jan-08 06:23
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 457 gulsbo 30-Jan-08 12:22
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 398 Me 31-Jan-08 00:23
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 423 gulsbo 31-Jan-08 15:47
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal or no Deal" 413 Me 31-Jan-08 19:17
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal or no Deal" 403 gulsbo 31-Jan-08 19:28
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal or no Deal" 349 Raja 31-Jan-08 19:59
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal or no Deal" 446 gulsbo 31-Jan-08 20:13
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 452 ninja 30-Jan-08 23:29
How convenient... 448 Nejc 30-Jan-08 11:56
Re: How convenient... 410 damthatbeaver 31-Jan-08 04:37
Re: How convenient... 372 Warwick 31-Jan-08 16:18
Re: How convenient... 431 gulsbo 31-Jan-08 20:11
Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 438 Citizen Attorney 31-Jan-08 01:41
Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 527 Raja 31-Jan-08 02:24
Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 408 Warwick 31-Jan-08 16:27
Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 430 Citizen Attorney 02-Feb-08 15:10
Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 437 Warwick 02-Feb-08 17:35
Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 438 Citizen Attorney 03-Feb-08 02:16
Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 381 Citizen Attorney 03-Feb-08 17:30
Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 381 Raja 03-Feb-08 18:20
Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 403 Citizen Attorney 03-Feb-08 22:58
Quotation please 357 Warwick 04-Feb-08 21:29
Re: Quotation please 378 Citizen Attorney 05-Feb-08 02:32
Re: Quotation please 380 Warwick 05-Feb-08 17:33
Re: Quotation please 446 Raja 05-Feb-08 20:08
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Re: Quotation please 342 Raja 05-Feb-08 21:50
Re: Quotation please 384 Me 06-Feb-08 01:09
Re: Quotation please 498 MALaclypse 06-Feb-08 02:32
Re: Quotation please 408 Warwick 07-Feb-08 00:24
Re: Quotation please 372 Citizen Attorney 06-Feb-08 02:09
Re: Quotation please 388 Citizen Attorney 07-Feb-08 03:44
Re: Quotation please 385 Warwick 09-Feb-08 00:47
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Re: Quotation please 406 Ahatmose 09-Feb-08 01:44
Re: Quotation please 377 Warwick 09-Feb-08 02:38
Re: Quotation please 497 damthatbeaver 09-Feb-08 02:18
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The "A" word. 445 Raja 09-Feb-08 04:50
Re: The "A" word. 552 Warwick 10-Feb-08 04:50
Re: The "A" word. 406 Raja 10-Feb-08 13:32
Re: The "A" word. 338 Warwick 10-Feb-08 19:44
The end. 393 Raja 10-Feb-08 20:37
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Re: hoist on his own petard 391 damthatbeaver 09-Feb-08 10:37
Re: hoist on his own petard 410 Me 10-Feb-08 00:54
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 389 Daz407 31-Jan-08 18:52
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 373 loveritas 01-Feb-08 11:39
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Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 399 Graham Hancock 02-Feb-08 10:59
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Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 374 William Glyn-Jones 05-Feb-08 11:13
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 373 Houcad 29-Jan-08 13:51
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 401 damthatbeaver 31-Jan-08 04:19
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Re: Hancock and Hawass 400 solitaire 03-Feb-08 20:57
Re: Graffiti 451 Thunderbird 04-Feb-08 18:47
Re: Graffiti 410 Raja 04-Feb-08 21:33
Re: Graffiti 465 Martin Stower 15-Feb-08 18:47
Re: Hancock and Hawass 459 Martin Stower 15-Feb-08 18:16
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Re: entertainment vs. enlightenment 375 Warwick 12-Feb-08 22:42
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It was KHUFU 101: 415 Warwick 14-Feb-08 16:48
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Re: It was KHUFU 101: 409 Warwick 15-Feb-08 18:04
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