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Thunderbird wrote:
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> What if Vyse did find some graffiti,.....and then added the 2
> Royal Cartouches in 2 seperate chambers.
The cartouches do not appear in isolation: they are components of longer inscriptions (crew names) which would require of the inscriber a knowledge of the language and script well beyond that of experts in 1837, let alone an amateur like Vyse.
There are also several examples of the Horus name (a non-cartouche royal name) - well beyond the state of knowledge in 1837.
> Vyse is having conflict with Caviglia,
> he''s firing/dismissing formen and workers,
As Vyse was funding the work, he was arguably entitled to dismiss those foremen and workers he found unsatisfactory - including Caviglia (who was long gone by the time the graffiti were discovered).
> his contemporaries of the day in Egyptology cannot make heads
> or tails of the weird graffiti
Read what Samuel Birch wrote. He attributed his difficulties (quite realistically) to the limitations of contemporary knowledge: there is not the least suggestion in his remarks that the graffiti were suspect. (If the Egyptologists of his time cried ‘forgery’ every time they found something difficult, they’d have done little else.) The graffiti have been plentifully studied since 1837; it wasn’t until the early 20th century that significant progress was made. The graffiti are no more problematic than other (genuine) inscriptions.
> which is grotesquely huge
Graffiti often is grotesquely huge, then as now.
>.....and the royal cartouches.
>
> and ya....no royal cartouches found in red ochre in the other
> giza pyramids,
Wrong (and plenty were found by Reisner in the Menkaure temples).
> and not in Davidson chamber late 1700'S,...
There are traces.
> Only in the chambers Vyse blows out!
>
> Thats suspicious,
> why would a Pharaoh reveal his glory in chambers no can
> see,...or know about,
> why not in the open more elsewhere's at the GP?
>
> Vyse hits Red Ochre lottery again at Zosers pyramid : )
>
> I think its possible Vyse had Hill fraud the Khufu
> cartouches,.....
If Vyse knew enough to do this, he would have been the leading Egyptologist of his day. He could have had all the fame he could handle (his supposed motivation) without the risk of forgery.
> even if there was some graffiti scribble on blocks,
Ockham.
> [Maybe this is why his first days record on chamber entrance is
> silent concerning Graffiti or mason marks,.....
A record you’ve never read - so why comment on it?
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M.
[snip]
> What if Vyse did find some graffiti,.....and then added the 2
> Royal Cartouches in 2 seperate chambers.
The cartouches do not appear in isolation: they are components of longer inscriptions (crew names) which would require of the inscriber a knowledge of the language and script well beyond that of experts in 1837, let alone an amateur like Vyse.
There are also several examples of the Horus name (a non-cartouche royal name) - well beyond the state of knowledge in 1837.
> Vyse is having conflict with Caviglia,
> he''s firing/dismissing formen and workers,
As Vyse was funding the work, he was arguably entitled to dismiss those foremen and workers he found unsatisfactory - including Caviglia (who was long gone by the time the graffiti were discovered).
> his contemporaries of the day in Egyptology cannot make heads
> or tails of the weird graffiti
Read what Samuel Birch wrote. He attributed his difficulties (quite realistically) to the limitations of contemporary knowledge: there is not the least suggestion in his remarks that the graffiti were suspect. (If the Egyptologists of his time cried ‘forgery’ every time they found something difficult, they’d have done little else.) The graffiti have been plentifully studied since 1837; it wasn’t until the early 20th century that significant progress was made. The graffiti are no more problematic than other (genuine) inscriptions.
> which is grotesquely huge
Graffiti often is grotesquely huge, then as now.
>.....and the royal cartouches.
>
> and ya....no royal cartouches found in red ochre in the other
> giza pyramids,
Wrong (and plenty were found by Reisner in the Menkaure temples).
> and not in Davidson chamber late 1700'S,...
There are traces.
> Only in the chambers Vyse blows out!
>
> Thats suspicious,
> why would a Pharaoh reveal his glory in chambers no can
> see,...or know about,
> why not in the open more elsewhere's at the GP?
>
> Vyse hits Red Ochre lottery again at Zosers pyramid : )
>
> I think its possible Vyse had Hill fraud the Khufu
> cartouches,.....
If Vyse knew enough to do this, he would have been the leading Egyptologist of his day. He could have had all the fame he could handle (his supposed motivation) without the risk of forgery.
> even if there was some graffiti scribble on blocks,
Ockham.
> [Maybe this is why his first days record on chamber entrance is
> silent concerning Graffiti or mason marks,.....
A record you’ve never read - so why comment on it?
[snip]
M.
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