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Jon,...I'm simply cut paste from Sitchins chapter....Forging the Pharaohs Name.

I presented a link to that chapter/book on the Khufu Grafitti thread.

am well aware that Sitchin is charged with fraud of info and data.

He does however say this in the first paragraph of the chapter:

excerpt:

Forgery as a means to fame and fortune is not uncommon in commerce and
the arts, in science and antiquities. When exposed, it may cause loss
and shame.
When sustained, it may change the records of history


If Sitchin is fraud.....Its an insane route from the get go on this one.
Sure he has bias...
In his convictions......he presents info and data to enlarge his point of view.

its left to the reader to discern wether that is simply malicious,....or a reasonable effort to illuminate debatable issues concerning Vyse,Hill and Perring.

As far a dates and presentations go,
Sitchin presents several....so I request the readers allong this thread go and read the chapter...Forging the Pharaohs name and consider whats presented.

Sitchin coments that the Cartouches found in the Vyse blown out vaults as being freakishly big and confusing in script for legibility,....and in period style,...be it heiroglyphic/heratic [apology for spelling if needed : )]

His opine that you would end up with something like this by painting in the cramped conditions and by torchlight is reasonable.

For later day Egyptologists to site the cartouches as Construction Gang,
......that would be a creative way to explain the shoddy cartouche's and scripting error,

sort of.....Dummy laborers did that.

I've wondered why Khufu does not appear in a more Regal stance,...say in his Chamber [Kings Chamber]....
or in the passageways....

yet we find Khufu in places which only someone...... fixated on blowing out or knocking in walls could find,
why would the validation be found this way,.......and in such shoddy artisen drawing?

So ya.....it looks to me like a Fraud by Vyse,Hill and Perring,

and after Schoch's discovery,....it looks like Giza is removed from the mainstream timeline.

why then......why then not be suspicious?

again.......I appeal to the readers allong this thread to visit the Khufu Grafitti thread and click on my link to Forging the Pharaohs name.

On final:

On another thread here at Mysteries,.....easily found by typing Tunnels/Rostau,
you will find my posts with links to Unas Texts which site Giza as Rostau,

and quotes from Unas Texts concerning Osiris desiring to go to the Tunnels of Rostau,.....that he might know the Duat !.

either Egyptians are lying wholesale and fawning over individuals who never did nada,

or the ancient Texts do speak of a place with Tunnels...thats linked to the Duat and the all important imperatives of Pharaohs,

and the place is Giza.....or Rostau,....with a subterrenean passageway/templecomplex below.
[Note to the reader.....Hawass himself states there is tunnels under Giza,...that Giza is Rostau]

I'm not suprised in the least concerning how things are unfolding,
Have seen this pattern recently concerning Plasma Cosmology/Electric Universe,
and the backpeddling of Astrophysic's and the old Big Bang Theory crowd concerning the data.
so ya....they write articles now at websites like Space.com where they ease in the truth.....[yet withhold acknowledgement of Electric Universe]
so revision at least in this science is happ'n : )

yet Egyptology will only tease the rope out that Khufu built the Sphinx...not Chefra.

It takes a Velikovsky and a Wall Thornhill to get things moving,

It also takes a Graham Hancock,Robert Bauval and Robert Schoch to get things moving,

Insight/intuitiveness should not be discarded offhand,

so we include Schwaller De Lubitz.....and John Anthony West : )

Many have made errors in their attempt to break away from the autocratic
mandates....which include the sciences
exposed......they were marginalized,humiliated,...even put to death!

Synergistically...mankind senses the history lofted/.......fed to us,....is incorrect,.....and has an agenda with wealth and Governmental power behind it.
everything from Religion to Nationalism is threatened by the illumination of the errors and doctrine faults concerning.

Protectionism is real folks......

you either buy into it,

or becomea Velikovsky,De Lubitz,......or a Schoch : )

regards

T Bird

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Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 666 loveritas 29-Jan-08 11:29
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Re: Evidence that demands a verdict 414 Thunderbird 29-Jan-08 20:16
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict 304 Jon B 29-Jan-08 20:56
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict 371 Thunderbird 29-Jan-08 22:28
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict 353 Jon B 30-Jan-08 07:31
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict 281 Raja 29-Jan-08 21:10
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 363 Me 29-Jan-08 23:49
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 398 Raja 30-Jan-08 07:20
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 365 Me 31-Jan-08 00:20
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Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 371 Me 31-Jan-08 19:12
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 421 Raja 31-Jan-08 19:22
Re: Evidence that demands a verdict of not guilty 336 Warwick 01-Feb-08 17:34
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Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 464 Scott Creighton 29-Jan-08 18:29
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Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 391 Me 29-Jan-08 23:53
Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 378 MALaclypse 30-Jan-08 06:23
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Re: Hancock and Hawass "Deal" 361 Me 31-Jan-08 00:23
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Re: How convenient... 377 damthatbeaver 31-Jan-08 04:37
Re: How convenient... 337 Warwick 31-Jan-08 16:18
Re: How convenient... 397 gulsbo 31-Jan-08 20:11
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Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 401 Raja 31-Jan-08 02:24
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Re: Is the Grafitti a checkmate for Khufu? 394 Citizen Attorney 02-Feb-08 15:10
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Zahi defends a world that fears and detests him 361 Me 16-Feb-08 01:05
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Re: Alford's refuation of Sitchin 327 damthatbeaver 16-Feb-08 10:51
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Is Zahi Hawass to blame for rubbish books and TV too? 367 Me 13-Feb-08 00:53
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It was KHUFU 101: 381 Warwick 14-Feb-08 16:48
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excavations reveal bones... 350 Ghia 06-Feb-08 02:35
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