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Hi Paul and all you others ...

I think the beast and most obvious proof of a possible culprit invading our solar system and upsetting the applecart has to be the retrograde orbit of Venus which spins opposite to all the other plantes except Uranus which spins almost on an East - West axis.

Allow me to post an appalling example of the illogic in some scientific circles. ...

... The best, current, ideas still favor some dramatic event that occurred while Venus ( and Uranus for that matter) were being formed. ( How could dust clouds and non circular bodies change their orbits ? This is rubbish in my opinion: Don's note.) It is known from the cratering evidence we see on a variety of planetary surfaces, that soon after the planets were formed, there were still some might large mini-planets orbiting the Sun. One of these may have collided with the Earth, dredging up material that later solidified into our Moon. The satellites of the outer planets are probably representitives of this ancient population of bodies. Venus may have experienced an encounter with one of these large bodies in which, unlike for the Earth, the material didn't form a separate moon, but was absorbed into the body of Venus. In addition to mass and kinetic energy, this body would also have contributed angular momentum. The result is that the new spin direction and speed for Venus was seriously altered from its initial state which could have been very Earth-like. Today, the result of that last, ancient collision is Venus with a retrograde rotation.

Again I would love to see a computer generated model of this. In my opinion it is garbage.

There was an invader into our solar system which affected not only Venus dramatically but more than likely changed Earth's orbit as well. I still think in the long run Velikovsky's indeas will be proven correct.

Best
Don Barone



"The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it." -- George Orwell... and remember what The Dormouse said: Feed Your Head

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Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 596 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 01:41
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 325 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 03:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 347 Broker 23-Aug-07 04:15
Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 359 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 11:20
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 346 P Mac 23-Aug-07 12:17
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 387 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:34
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 430 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 14:10
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 380 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:28
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 374 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:30
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 341 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 21:15
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 390 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:25
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 350 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 15:36
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 363 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:16
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 366 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:22
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 373 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:45
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 317 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:58
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 329 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 349 Broker 24-Aug-07 02:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 366 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 15:50
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 316 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 384 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 16:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 372 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 323 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 20:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 280 Dale Robert Lerch 24-Aug-07 08:36
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 324 P Mac 23-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 369 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:37
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 366 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:31
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 376 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 20:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 388 NetWorkAngel 24-Aug-07 20:54
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 21:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 251 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 359 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 17:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 402 P Mac 23-Aug-07 17:35
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 284 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:40
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 352 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:08
A bit of clarification 330 Jon B 23-Aug-07 17:45
Re: A bit of clarification 295 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 388 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:50
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 410 mephisto 23-Aug-07 07:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 323 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:03
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 347 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 08:20
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 362 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 347 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 10:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 372 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 11:13
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 259 P Mac 24-Aug-07 11:55
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 13:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 400 Sirfiroth 24-Aug-07 14:52
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 346 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 15:02
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 377 Sirfiroth 25-Aug-07 03:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 319 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 12:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 300 P Mac 24-Aug-07 11:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 329 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 12:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 353 magisterchessmutt 24-Aug-07 12:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 372 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 14:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 315 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 19:18
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 389 Ghia 23-Aug-07 08:40
Wow! 463 Ghia 23-Aug-07 09:06
Re: Wow! 384 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:06
Re: Wow! 366 Jackfrost 24-Aug-07 16:09
Re: Wow! 343 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Wow! 376 Saravuth 26-Aug-07 02:35
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 224 Morph 23-Aug-07 09:07
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 348 Ghia 23-Aug-07 09:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 339 Morph 23-Aug-07 10:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 314 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:58
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 377 mephisto 23-Aug-07 12:06
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 440 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 12:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 364 Spiros 23-Aug-07 09:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 346 Morph 23-Aug-07 13:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 269 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 13:54
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 364 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 375 Morph 23-Aug-07 14:20
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 352 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 13:56
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 345 Sirfiroth 23-Aug-07 13:31
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 302 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:09
More fully... 387 Morph 23-Aug-07 13:53
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 285 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 14:08
Addendum: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 294 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 357 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 23:48
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 345 Morph 23-Aug-07 14:13
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 403 drrayeye 23-Aug-07 14:47
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 344 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:18
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 467 drrayeye 24-Aug-07 14:28
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 341 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 15:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 323 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 383 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:16
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 386 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 359 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 323 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:42
oops pls read "can't" instead of can N/T 388 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 315 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 21:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 344 Dale Robert Lerch 24-Aug-07 09:06
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 316 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 13:46
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 298 Joe Atlantis 23-Aug-07 19:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 362 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 386 Warwick 24-Aug-07 17:34
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 432 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 17:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 336 Warwick 24-Aug-07 18:11
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 364 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 18:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 388 Warwick 24-Aug-07 18:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 391 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 357 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 365 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 338 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 384 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 341 Warwick 26-Aug-07 17:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 354 Broker 26-Aug-07 19:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 348 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 20:52
Moderator Note 383 Ghia 26-Aug-07 23:31
Re: Moderator Note 351 Warwick 29-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 408 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 17:21
Re: Moderator Note 347 Warwick 01-Sep-07 18:28
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 275 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 18:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 247 caugusto 24-Aug-07 21:34
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 322 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 364 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 18:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 346 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 18:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 405 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 354 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 19:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 300 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 19:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 367 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 334 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 20:16
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 318 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 20:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 373 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 20:53
More Chills... 277 Ghia 25-Aug-07 00:21
Re: More Chills... 337 P Mac 25-Aug-07 11:12
Re: More Chills... 329 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 12:31
Re: More Chills... 195 P Mac 25-Aug-07 13:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 352 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 19:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 368 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 426 jnisbet 25-Aug-07 01:48
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 358 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 11:00
A shadow beyond the doubt 381 drew 25-Aug-07 03:06
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 346 jnisbet 25-Aug-07 03:41
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 419 drew 25-Aug-07 12:43
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 343 P Mac 25-Aug-07 11:46
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 369 Saravuth 25-Aug-07 14:34
please explain 323 Spiros 25-Aug-07 14:40
Re: please explain 351 Mr. Hunter 25-Aug-07 15:48
Re: please explain 361 magisterchessmutt 26-Aug-07 00:17
Re: please explain 354 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:11
the solution? 352 Spiros 25-Aug-07 18:53
Re: the solution? 378 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 20:49
Re: the solution? 315 Spiros 25-Aug-07 21:50
Re: the solution? 345 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 22:11
Re: the solution? 309 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 00:23
Re: the solution? 324 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 01:21
Re: the solution? 329 Dale Robert Lerch 26-Aug-07 07:47
Re: the solution? 353 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 20:28
Re: the solution? 370 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 12:37
Re: the solution? 301 Spiros 27-Aug-07 19:18
Re: the solution? 345 Gary Osborn 27-Aug-07 19:23
Question remains unanswered ... at least to me. 365 Ahatmose 26-Aug-07 02:04
Re: Question remains unanswered ... at least to me. 360 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 20:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 383 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:17
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 301 magisterchessmutt 26-Aug-07 01:52
Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 429 drrayeye 26-Aug-07 20:29
Re: Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 281 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 17:43
Re: Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 378 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 17:54
Firestone 422 drrayeye 27-Aug-07 20:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 334 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 02:59
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 367 Ghia 27-Aug-07 03:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 346 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 06:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 311 magisterchessmutt 27-Aug-07 05:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 342 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 06:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 361 magisterchessmutt 27-Aug-07 06:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 357 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 07:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 384 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 359 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 14:51
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 377 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 16:02
Addendum ... 409 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 16:31
Re: Addendum ... 368 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Addendum ... 324 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 17:00
Re: Addendum ... 361 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 17:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 355 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 19:28
This may help, Don 337 Cesar 27-Aug-07 22:18
Re: This may help, Don 350 Ghia 27-Aug-07 23:40
Re: This may help, Don 374 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 23:59
Re: This may help, Don 357 Cesar 28-Aug-07 02:40
Re: This may help, Don 328 Sirfiroth 28-Aug-07 02:51
Re: This may help, Don 348 Cesar 28-Aug-07 04:12
Re: This may help, Don 401 Sirfiroth 28-Aug-07 05:29
Re: This may help, Don 369 Ahatmose 28-Aug-07 02:15
Re: This may help, Don 383 Cesar 28-Aug-07 04:12
Re: This may help, Don 436 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 10:56
Re: This may help, Don 336 Cesar 28-Aug-07 21:44
The Impactor 326 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 22:17
Re: This may help, Don 274 Scott Creighton 29-Aug-07 11:38
Intriguing 398 Cesar 01-Sep-07 12:03
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 427 LonelyAngel 27-Aug-07 18:37
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 377 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 18:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 391 LonelyAngel 28-Aug-07 17:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 342 Deep1 28-Aug-07 18:52
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 333 LonelyAngel 29-Aug-07 20:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 339 Deep1 29-Aug-07 20:59
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 21:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 340 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 16:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 365 Scott Creighton 30-Aug-07 17:02
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 348 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 17:43
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 318 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 20:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 355 Scott Creighton 30-Aug-07 21:17
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 349 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 21:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 330 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 21:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 371 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 23:40
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 368 Morph 31-Aug-07 11:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 18:55
One major problem as I see it ... 317 Ahatmose 28-Aug-07 23:07
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 375 P Mac 29-Aug-07 00:02
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 306 magisterchessmutt 29-Aug-07 00:25
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 387 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 00:33
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 361 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 02:39
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 373 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 03:04
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 399 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 03:15
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 348 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 05:24
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 290 Cesar 29-Aug-07 02:21
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 368 caugusto 29-Aug-07 04:40
Re: One major Solution? 348 Scott Creighton 29-Aug-07 09:56
Re: One major Solution? 405 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 17:47
Re: One major Solution? 316 Richard Essame 30-Aug-07 00:16
Re: One major Solution? 362 Richard Essame 30-Aug-07 19:24
Re: One major Solution? 408 P Mac 31-Aug-07 12:44
Re: One major Solution? 346 Richard Essame 31-Aug-07 23:39
Re: One major Solution? 339 Scott Creighton 01-Sep-07 10:25
Re: One major Solution? 310 P Mac 01-Sep-07 16:13
Re: One major Solution? 352 P Mac 02-Sep-07 00:23
Re: One major Solution? 350 Ahatmose 02-Sep-07 01:50
Or another solution... 379 drew 29-Aug-07 21:35
Re: Or another solution... 309 Jackfrost 30-Aug-07 15:46
Re: Or another solution... 305 P Mac 30-Aug-07 16:39
Re: Or another solution... 368 Jackfrost 31-Aug-07 10:55
Re: Or another solution... 386 P Mac 31-Aug-07 16:01
Re: Or another solution... 372 Richard Essame 01-Sep-07 01:57


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