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Scott Creighton wrote:

I do have to say that I have the utmost respect for
> Robert Bauval's work since, after all, he did make the initial
> connection - the breakthrough - with the Giza pyramids and
> Orion's Belt. From that moment no one has ever seen the
> Pyramids in the same light again - they were no longer simply
> 'tombs' but something much, much more. Robert Bauval was the
> man who opened up this debate and we should all be grateful to
> him for doing that.

You're right up to a point. The initial observation was a paradigm shift, but after that his theory quickly went nowhere, and now he's bogged down in the minutia of ancient Egyptian religion, desperately trying to make his Orion theories palatable to mainstream Egyptologists whilst still his selling books to alternate fans.

I have no time for this type of mummery I'm afraid. In a sense, the "outsider" has become the new establishment, and his stale ideas simply get in the way now. I'm glad to see the debate finally open up like this and a new generation of thinkers coming forward with ideas that actually go somewhere.

I notice (it's very obvious reading through old threads) that Bauval tends to ignore you when you post here. I initially thought that this was because (as I thought then) that he felt that you were ripping off his ideas, but I suspect now he's simply hoping that you go away, because your ideas blow his out of the water. Your interpretation of Giza in one of your earlier presentations is amazing, and you use many elements which Bauval simply ignores. Your use of the Cult and Queens pyramids as precise dating mechanisms is inspired, and far beyond anything he has ever conceived. I didn't even know of the "concavities" of the two pyramids until you mentioned them... no one else seems to know they even exist.

I have to correct something I said just the other day, that I'd never seen a satisfactory explanation for the shafts (the ones from the Queen's Chanber not reaching out to the external walls, that is). Your theory seems to explain them extraordinarily well when it all slots together, and I take my hat off to you. That's inspired thinking.

I admire people like Graham Hancock, people who push the boundaries of what we know, who ask impossible questions, who will never sell out or treat their ideas as a "brand", and who will never become the "establishment". Look to him if you want a role model, Scott, and keep these new ideas coming. You've had me playing around with Google Earth ever since I grasped the gist of your presentation. It's mind blowing stuff.



Lonely Angel


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Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 596 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 01:41
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 325 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 03:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 347 Broker 23-Aug-07 04:15
Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 359 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 11:20
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 347 P Mac 23-Aug-07 12:17
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 388 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:34
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 430 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 14:10
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 381 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:28
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 374 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:30
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 341 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 21:15
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 390 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:25
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 350 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 15:36
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 364 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:16
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 366 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:22
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 373 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:45
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 317 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:58
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 330 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 350 Broker 24-Aug-07 02:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 366 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 15:50
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 317 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 384 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 16:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 373 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 323 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 20:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 281 Dale Robert Lerch 24-Aug-07 08:36
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 324 P Mac 23-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 369 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:37
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 366 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:31
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 377 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 20:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 388 NetWorkAngel 24-Aug-07 20:54
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 21:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 251 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 359 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 17:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 403 P Mac 23-Aug-07 17:35
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 284 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:40
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 353 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:08
A bit of clarification 330 Jon B 23-Aug-07 17:45
Re: A bit of clarification 295 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 388 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:50
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 411 mephisto 23-Aug-07 07:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 323 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:03
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 348 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 08:20
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 362 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 347 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 10:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 372 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 11:13
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 259 P Mac 24-Aug-07 11:55
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 13:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 401 Sirfiroth 24-Aug-07 14:52
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 346 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 15:02
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 377 Sirfiroth 25-Aug-07 03:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 319 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 12:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 301 P Mac 24-Aug-07 11:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 329 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 12:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 354 magisterchessmutt 24-Aug-07 12:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 372 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 14:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 316 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 19:18
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 390 Ghia 23-Aug-07 08:40
Wow! 464 Ghia 23-Aug-07 09:06
Re: Wow! 384 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:06
Re: Wow! 366 Jackfrost 24-Aug-07 16:09
Re: Wow! 343 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Wow! 377 Saravuth 26-Aug-07 02:35
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 224 Morph 23-Aug-07 09:07
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 348 Ghia 23-Aug-07 09:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 339 Morph 23-Aug-07 10:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 314 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:58
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 377 mephisto 23-Aug-07 12:06
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 441 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 12:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 364 Spiros 23-Aug-07 09:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 346 Morph 23-Aug-07 13:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 269 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 13:54
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 364 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 375 Morph 23-Aug-07 14:20
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 352 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 13:56
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 345 Sirfiroth 23-Aug-07 13:31
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 302 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:09
More fully... 388 Morph 23-Aug-07 13:53
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 285 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 14:08
Addendum: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 295 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 357 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 23:48
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 345 Morph 23-Aug-07 14:13
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 404 drrayeye 23-Aug-07 14:47
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 344 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:18
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 467 drrayeye 24-Aug-07 14:28
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 342 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 15:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 324 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 383 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:16
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 386 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 359 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 323 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:42
oops pls read "can't" instead of can N/T 388 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 315 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 21:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 346 Dale Robert Lerch 24-Aug-07 09:06
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 316 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 13:46
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 299 Joe Atlantis 23-Aug-07 19:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 362 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 387 Warwick 24-Aug-07 17:34
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 432 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 17:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 336 Warwick 24-Aug-07 18:11
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 364 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 18:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 388 Warwick 24-Aug-07 18:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 392 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 357 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 365 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 338 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 385 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 341 Warwick 26-Aug-07 17:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 354 Broker 26-Aug-07 19:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 349 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 20:52
Moderator Note 383 Ghia 26-Aug-07 23:31
Re: Moderator Note 352 Warwick 29-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 409 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 17:21
Re: Moderator Note 348 Warwick 01-Sep-07 18:28
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 275 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 18:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 247 caugusto 24-Aug-07 21:34
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 322 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 365 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 18:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 346 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 18:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 406 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 355 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 19:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 300 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 19:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 367 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 335 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 20:16
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 318 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 20:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 374 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 20:53
More Chills... 278 Ghia 25-Aug-07 00:21
Re: More Chills... 337 P Mac 25-Aug-07 11:12
Re: More Chills... 329 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 12:31
Re: More Chills... 195 P Mac 25-Aug-07 13:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 353 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 19:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 368 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 426 jnisbet 25-Aug-07 01:48
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 358 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 11:00
A shadow beyond the doubt 382 drew 25-Aug-07 03:06
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 346 jnisbet 25-Aug-07 03:41
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 420 drew 25-Aug-07 12:43
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 343 P Mac 25-Aug-07 11:46
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 369 Saravuth 25-Aug-07 14:34
please explain 323 Spiros 25-Aug-07 14:40
Re: please explain 351 Mr. Hunter 25-Aug-07 15:48
Re: please explain 362 magisterchessmutt 26-Aug-07 00:17
Re: please explain 354 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:11
the solution? 352 Spiros 25-Aug-07 18:53
Re: the solution? 378 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 20:49
Re: the solution? 315 Spiros 25-Aug-07 21:50
Re: the solution? 345 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 22:11
Re: the solution? 310 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 00:23
Re: the solution? 325 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 01:21
Re: the solution? 329 Dale Robert Lerch 26-Aug-07 07:47
Re: the solution? 353 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 20:28
Re: the solution? 370 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 12:37
Re: the solution? 302 Spiros 27-Aug-07 19:18
Re: the solution? 345 Gary Osborn 27-Aug-07 19:23
Question remains unanswered ... at least to me. 365 Ahatmose 26-Aug-07 02:04
Re: Question remains unanswered ... at least to me. 360 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 20:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 383 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:17
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 301 magisterchessmutt 26-Aug-07 01:52
Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 429 drrayeye 26-Aug-07 20:29
Re: Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 281 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 17:43
Re: Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 378 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 17:54
Firestone 423 drrayeye 27-Aug-07 20:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 334 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 02:59
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 367 Ghia 27-Aug-07 03:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 346 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 06:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 311 magisterchessmutt 27-Aug-07 05:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 342 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 06:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 362 magisterchessmutt 27-Aug-07 06:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 357 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 07:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 385 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 359 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 14:51
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 377 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 16:02
Addendum ... 409 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 16:31
Re: Addendum ... 368 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Addendum ... 324 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 17:00
Re: Addendum ... 361 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 17:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 355 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 19:28
This may help, Don 337 Cesar 27-Aug-07 22:18
Re: This may help, Don 350 Ghia 27-Aug-07 23:40
Re: This may help, Don 375 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 23:59
Re: This may help, Don 357 Cesar 28-Aug-07 02:40
Re: This may help, Don 328 Sirfiroth 28-Aug-07 02:51
Re: This may help, Don 348 Cesar 28-Aug-07 04:12
Re: This may help, Don 401 Sirfiroth 28-Aug-07 05:29
Re: This may help, Don 370 Ahatmose 28-Aug-07 02:15
Re: This may help, Don 383 Cesar 28-Aug-07 04:12
Re: This may help, Don 436 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 10:56
Re: This may help, Don 336 Cesar 28-Aug-07 21:44
The Impactor 327 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 22:17
Re: This may help, Don 275 Scott Creighton 29-Aug-07 11:38
Intriguing 399 Cesar 01-Sep-07 12:03
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 427 LonelyAngel 27-Aug-07 18:37
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 378 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 18:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 391 LonelyAngel 28-Aug-07 17:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 342 Deep1 28-Aug-07 18:52
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 333 LonelyAngel 29-Aug-07 20:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 340 Deep1 29-Aug-07 20:59
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 21:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 341 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 16:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 366 Scott Creighton 30-Aug-07 17:02
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 349 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 17:43
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 319 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 20:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Scott Creighton 30-Aug-07 21:17
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 349 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 21:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 330 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 21:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 371 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 23:40
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 368 Morph 31-Aug-07 11:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 18:55
One major problem as I see it ... 318 Ahatmose 28-Aug-07 23:07
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 375 P Mac 29-Aug-07 00:02
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 306 magisterchessmutt 29-Aug-07 00:25
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 387 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 00:33
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 362 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 02:39
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 373 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 03:04
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 400 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 03:15
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 348 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 05:24
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 291 Cesar 29-Aug-07 02:21
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 368 caugusto 29-Aug-07 04:40
Re: One major Solution? 348 Scott Creighton 29-Aug-07 09:56
Re: One major Solution? 405 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 17:47
Re: One major Solution? 316 Richard Essame 30-Aug-07 00:16
Re: One major Solution? 363 Richard Essame 30-Aug-07 19:24
Re: One major Solution? 408 P Mac 31-Aug-07 12:44
Re: One major Solution? 346 Richard Essame 31-Aug-07 23:39
Re: One major Solution? 339 Scott Creighton 01-Sep-07 10:25
Re: One major Solution? 310 P Mac 01-Sep-07 16:13
Re: One major Solution? 352 P Mac 02-Sep-07 00:23
Re: One major Solution? 351 Ahatmose 02-Sep-07 01:50
Or another solution... 380 drew 29-Aug-07 21:35
Re: Or another solution... 309 Jackfrost 30-Aug-07 15:46
Re: Or another solution... 305 P Mac 30-Aug-07 16:39
Re: Or another solution... 368 Jackfrost 31-Aug-07 10:55
Re: Or another solution... 386 P Mac 31-Aug-07 16:01
Re: Or another solution... 372 Richard Essame 01-Sep-07 01:57


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