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Hi Rich,

Another intriguing image you post! Can't believe you found that underwater crater!

It is my understanding of Barbiero's theory that the impact requires to land in an ocean for the impulsive torque to reach its highest potential. If the impactor struck the middle of an ice shelf I am not sure what the effects would then be or if they would be sufficient to induce an axial shift. Unless, of course, the impact itself caused massive, instant melting of the ice-cap or perhaps caused part of the ice-cap to break apart, sliding into the sea and resulting in a tsunami of monumental proportions. And we do know tsunamis do cause the Earth's axis to change.

Here's how Dr Barbiero describes the effect of an impactor hitting one of Earth's oceans:

"Earth is a gyro. A gyro subject to a disturbing force reacts with a movement called "precession". Unfortunately the precession phenomenon has been studied exhaustively only for the case when the precession's rotation is much smaller than the gyro's main rotation, the only interesting case for technical applications. Scientists, therefore, are not familiar with the case in which the two rotational components have the same order of magnitude. This case is examined here in the appendix, where the behaviour of a gyro subject to a disturbing torque of increasing value is shown. It appears that when the torque reaches a critical value, equal to the maximum reaction torque that can be developed by the gyro, the latter changes its axis of rotation permanently. The new axis, which coincides with the previous precession's axis, is maintained even if the disturbing torque diminishes again, as long as its value is higher than zero. Only if and when the torque is completely null (or becomes negative), does the gyro recovers its previous rotational axis.

The behaviour of the Earth when subjected to a disturbing torque is obviously the same. In fact the Earth has a movement of precession due to the disturbing torque exercised by the Sun-Moon gravitational attraction on the equatorial bulges. This torque is one million of times smaller than the maximum reaction torque which can be developed by Earth. Simple calculations, however, allow us to establish that an object as small as a half-kilometre-wide asteroid, hitting the planet in the right spot and at the right angle, is capable of developing an impulsive torque of the same magnitude of the maximum Earth's reaction torque. In this case the Earth assumes, for a very short instant, a different axis of rotation.

If at the moment of the impact the force of the Sun-Moon gravitational attraction on the equatorial bulge has the same direction as the force developed by the impact, a shift of the poles will inevitably follow. Immediately after the impact, in fact, the torque should go down to zero, and the Earth should recover its previous rotational axis. But if the torque exerted by the sun-moon attraction has the same direction, the torque cannot be zeroed and therefore the Earth keeps "memory" of the impact and of its direction. This "memory" consists of an extremely small rotational component, with the same direction as that of the impact, in the order of 1 millionth of the normal rotation. What is particular in this rotational component is that it is fixed with respect to the Earth. If the latter was a solid gyroscope, this situation would last indefinitely unchanged. The planet, however, is not homogenous and rigid. First of all it is covered by a thin layer of water, which reacts immediately to any change of motion. Second, even the "solid" outer shell is in reality plastic and can be easily "re-shaped" by centrifugal forces.

Under the effect of this tiny rotational component, sea water begins to move towards a circle perpendicular to that rotation (the new equator). This is a very small effect, and if it was the only component, the resulting equatorial bulge would be of a few meters only. But as this happens, the value of the rotational component increases, at the expense of the main rotation, therefore increasing the centrifugal force which makes more water move towards the new equator, thus increasing the force and so on. This process starts very slowly, but accelerates progressively, until the centrifugal force developed by this rotational component grows strong enough to induce deformations of the Earth's mantle.

From here on the equatorial bulge is quickly "re-shaped" around the new axis of rotation and Earth will soon be stable again, with a different axis of rotation and different poles.

This mechanism shows that the Earth's poles, contrary to what has always been postulated, can make "jumps" in a matter of days (that is almost instantaneously) of thousands of kilometres, due to the effects of forces at first sight negligible, such as the impact of a medium-size asteroid and the Sun-Moon gravitational attraction on the equatorial bulge, combined with the effects of water mobility and the plasticity of the crust."


- Dr Flavio Barbiero

Regards,

Scott


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Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 359 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 11:20
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Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 330 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 350 Broker 24-Aug-07 02:25
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Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 359 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 17:26
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Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 284 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:40
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 353 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:08
A bit of clarification 330 Jon B 23-Aug-07 17:45
Re: A bit of clarification 295 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:00
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Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 411 mephisto 23-Aug-07 07:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 323 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:03
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Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 319 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 12:21
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Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 372 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 14:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 315 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 19:18
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 389 Ghia 23-Aug-07 08:40
Wow! 463 Ghia 23-Aug-07 09:06
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Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 224 Morph 23-Aug-07 09:07
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Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 345 Sirfiroth 23-Aug-07 13:31
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More fully... 388 Morph 23-Aug-07 13:53
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Addendum: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 295 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 14:19
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oops pls read "can't" instead of can N/T 388 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:44
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Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 300 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 19:19
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Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 353 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 19:01
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Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 426 jnisbet 25-Aug-07 01:48
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 358 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 11:00
A shadow beyond the doubt 382 drew 25-Aug-07 03:06
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Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 343 P Mac 25-Aug-07 11:46
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 369 Saravuth 25-Aug-07 14:34
please explain 323 Spiros 25-Aug-07 14:40
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Re: please explain 354 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:11
the solution? 352 Spiros 25-Aug-07 18:53
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Re: the solution? 315 Spiros 25-Aug-07 21:50
Re: the solution? 345 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 22:11
Re: the solution? 309 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 00:23
Re: the solution? 324 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 01:21
Re: the solution? 329 Dale Robert Lerch 26-Aug-07 07:47
Re: the solution? 353 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 20:28
Re: the solution? 370 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 12:37
Re: the solution? 302 Spiros 27-Aug-07 19:18
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Question remains unanswered ... at least to me. 365 Ahatmose 26-Aug-07 02:04
Re: Question remains unanswered ... at least to me. 360 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 20:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 383 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:17
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 301 magisterchessmutt 26-Aug-07 01:52
Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 429 drrayeye 26-Aug-07 20:29
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Firestone 423 drrayeye 27-Aug-07 20:10
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Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 367 Ghia 27-Aug-07 03:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 346 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 06:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 311 magisterchessmutt 27-Aug-07 05:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 342 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 06:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 362 magisterchessmutt 27-Aug-07 06:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 357 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 07:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 384 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 359 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 14:51
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 377 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 16:02
Addendum ... 409 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 16:31
Re: Addendum ... 368 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Addendum ... 324 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 17:00
Re: Addendum ... 361 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 17:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 355 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 19:28
This may help, Don 337 Cesar 27-Aug-07 22:18
Re: This may help, Don 350 Ghia 27-Aug-07 23:40
Re: This may help, Don 375 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 23:59
Re: This may help, Don 357 Cesar 28-Aug-07 02:40
Re: This may help, Don 328 Sirfiroth 28-Aug-07 02:51
Re: This may help, Don 348 Cesar 28-Aug-07 04:12
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Re: This may help, Don 370 Ahatmose 28-Aug-07 02:15
Re: This may help, Don 383 Cesar 28-Aug-07 04:12
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Re: This may help, Don 336 Cesar 28-Aug-07 21:44
The Impactor 326 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 22:17
Re: This may help, Don 275 Scott Creighton 29-Aug-07 11:38
Intriguing 399 Cesar 01-Sep-07 12:03
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Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 333 LonelyAngel 29-Aug-07 20:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 339 Deep1 29-Aug-07 20:59
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 21:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 341 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 16:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 365 Scott Creighton 30-Aug-07 17:02
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 349 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 17:43
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 318 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 20:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Scott Creighton 30-Aug-07 21:17
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 349 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 21:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 330 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 21:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 371 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 23:40
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 368 Morph 31-Aug-07 11:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 18:55
One major problem as I see it ... 318 Ahatmose 28-Aug-07 23:07
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 375 P Mac 29-Aug-07 00:02
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 306 magisterchessmutt 29-Aug-07 00:25
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 387 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 00:33
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 361 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 02:39
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 373 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 03:04
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 399 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 03:15
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 348 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 05:24
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 290 Cesar 29-Aug-07 02:21
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 368 caugusto 29-Aug-07 04:40
Re: One major Solution? 348 Scott Creighton 29-Aug-07 09:56
Re: One major Solution? 405 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 17:47
Re: One major Solution? 316 Richard Essame 30-Aug-07 00:16
Re: One major Solution? 363 Richard Essame 30-Aug-07 19:24
Re: One major Solution? 408 P Mac 31-Aug-07 12:44
Re: One major Solution? 346 Richard Essame 31-Aug-07 23:39
Re: One major Solution? 339 Scott Creighton 01-Sep-07 10:25
Re: One major Solution? 310 P Mac 01-Sep-07 16:13
Re: One major Solution? 352 P Mac 02-Sep-07 00:23
Re: One major Solution? 351 Ahatmose 02-Sep-07 01:50
Or another solution... 380 drew 29-Aug-07 21:35
Re: Or another solution... 309 Jackfrost 30-Aug-07 15:46
Re: Or another solution... 305 P Mac 30-Aug-07 16:39
Re: Or another solution... 368 Jackfrost 31-Aug-07 10:55
Re: Or another solution... 386 P Mac 31-Aug-07 16:01
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