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Hi Scott, Kim,

Here's more references from my own research files - and there's a lot more I could present.

It is a fact that the early Greek philosophers considered the tilt of the earth to be an unnatural and “irregular condition” and not something that had been set in motion since the beginning of creation.
Here are a few examples; the first written by the Greek philosopher Anaxagoras (500 – 428 BC):

‘In the beginning the stars moved in the sky as in a revolving dome, so that the celestial pole which is always visible was vertically overhead; but subsequently the pole took its inclined position’.

Diogenes Laertius wrote that ‘at first the polestar always appeared in the zenith, but then acquired a certain declination’.

In his book Secrets of Lost Atland (1979,) Robert Scrutton quotes the 17th century, Jesuit missionary and historian, Martinus Martini, who himself gives reference to an observed polar shift as stated in Chinese records.

‘The Planets altered their courses, and the great harmony of the universe and nature was disrupted . . . the sky sunk lower in the north’.

The account given by Martinus in his History of China was also included in The Lost Ship of Noah: In Search of the Ark at Ararat (1987), by Charles Berlitz about the Flood:

‘At the beginning of the second heaven, the Earth was shaken to its foundations. The sky sank lower and lower towards the north. The sun, moon and stars changed their motion. The earth fell to pieces and the waters in its bosom uprushed with violence and overflowed the Earth . . . Man had rebelled against the High Gods and the system of the universe was in disorder’.

Many have speculated that the tilt of the earth may have resulted in the Flood – the tilt of the axis itself being the result of a large meteorite impact, as once proposed by Professor N. S. Vetchinkin of Russia, or perhaps a large stellar body passing close to the earth.

A 3,000-year-old ancient Egyptian document from the 12th dynasty and known as the Hermitage Papyrus of Leningrad, describes the fall of a comet or meteor which either struck the earth or came very close:

“Once a star fell from heaven and the flames consumed everything. All were burned but I alone was saved. However, when I saw the mountain of corpses I almost died of grief”.

According to both the Hermitage Papyrus and the Ipuwer Papyrus, the world had been turned upside down by this catastrophe. The Papyrus also mentions the “Island of the Serpent”. A line from the Papyrus:

“After you leave my island you will not find it again as this place will vanish under the sea waves”.

The Chilam Balam, the Popul Vah and the Völuspa all tell of a dreadful cataclysm when a great flaming snake fell from the skies to the sea, submerging the nearby lands. Does this “flaming snake” describe a comet with its tail?

An Eskimo myth says that the world tilted violently just before the Flood, and in regard to the beliefs of the Inuit peoples of the far north, religious Historian, and writer on Shamanism, Mircea Eliade, tells us that, ‘According to a fairly general belief, the world tilted at one time, and its former occupants now live underneath’.

Best,
Gary

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Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 588 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 01:41
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 321 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 03:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 344 Broker 23-Aug-07 04:15
Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 353 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 11:20
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 342 P Mac 23-Aug-07 12:17
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 384 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:34
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 425 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 14:10
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 375 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:28
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 369 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:30
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 338 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 21:15
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 385 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:25
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 344 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 15:36
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 358 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:16
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 361 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:22
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 369 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:45
Re: Special Thanks to Gary Osborn 314 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:58
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 325 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 346 Broker 24-Aug-07 02:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 359 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 15:50
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 310 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 16:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 380 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 16:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 369 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 319 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 20:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 275 Dale Robert Lerch 24-Aug-07 08:36
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 319 P Mac 23-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 366 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:37
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 361 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:31
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 369 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 20:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 381 NetWorkAngel 24-Aug-07 20:54
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 352 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 21:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 245 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 355 Kboldt 23-Aug-07 17:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 398 P Mac 23-Aug-07 17:35
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 280 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 19:40
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 346 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 20:08
A bit of clarification 324 Jon B 23-Aug-07 17:45
Re: A bit of clarification 290 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 384 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:50
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 405 mephisto 23-Aug-07 07:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 318 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:03
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 343 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 08:20
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 358 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 343 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 10:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 365 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 11:13
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 255 P Mac 24-Aug-07 11:55
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 353 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 13:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 397 Sirfiroth 24-Aug-07 14:52
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 342 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 15:02
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 373 Sirfiroth 25-Aug-07 03:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 315 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 12:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 297 P Mac 24-Aug-07 11:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 326 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 12:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 348 magisterchessmutt 24-Aug-07 12:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 368 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 14:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 352 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 312 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 19:18
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 385 Ghia 23-Aug-07 08:40
Wow! 460 Ghia 23-Aug-07 09:06
Re: Wow! 380 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:06
Re: Wow! 362 Jackfrost 24-Aug-07 16:09
Re: Wow! 340 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Wow! 372 Saravuth 26-Aug-07 02:35
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 220 Morph 23-Aug-07 09:07
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 342 Ghia 23-Aug-07 09:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 335 Morph 23-Aug-07 10:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 309 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:58
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 371 mephisto 23-Aug-07 12:06
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 433 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 12:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 359 Spiros 23-Aug-07 09:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 342 Morph 23-Aug-07 13:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 266 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 13:54
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 358 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 372 Morph 23-Aug-07 14:20
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 347 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 13:56
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 339 Sirfiroth 23-Aug-07 13:31
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 296 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:09
More fully... 382 Morph 23-Aug-07 13:53
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 280 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 14:08
Addendum: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 289 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 352 Gary Osborn 23-Aug-07 23:48
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 340 Morph 23-Aug-07 14:13
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 398 drrayeye 23-Aug-07 14:47
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 340 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:18
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 462 drrayeye 24-Aug-07 14:28
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 337 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 15:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 351 Ahatmose 23-Aug-07 15:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 318 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 16:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 379 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:16
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 383 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 355 NetWorkAngel 23-Aug-07 17:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 319 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:42
oops pls read "can't" instead of can N/T 385 Joyeuse 23-Aug-07 17:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 311 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 21:22
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 339 Dale Robert Lerch 24-Aug-07 09:06
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 311 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 13:46
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 293 Joe Atlantis 23-Aug-07 19:25
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 358 Scott Creighton 23-Aug-07 20:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 381 Warwick 24-Aug-07 17:34
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 427 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 17:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 333 Warwick 24-Aug-07 18:11
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 360 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 18:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 383 Warwick 24-Aug-07 18:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 388 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 354 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:21
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 361 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:33
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 334 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 381 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 338 Warwick 26-Aug-07 17:26
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 349 Broker 26-Aug-07 19:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 343 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 20:52
Moderator Note 378 Ghia 26-Aug-07 23:31
Re: Moderator Note 347 Warwick 29-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Moderator Note 403 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 17:21
Re: Moderator Note 343 Warwick 01-Sep-07 18:28
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 269 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 18:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 243 caugusto 24-Aug-07 21:34
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 319 Warwick 25-Aug-07 17:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 358 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 18:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 340 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 18:42
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 400 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 18:49
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 347 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 19:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 296 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 19:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 363 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 331 Ahatmose 24-Aug-07 20:16
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 313 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 20:45
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 370 Scott Creighton 24-Aug-07 20:53
More Chills... 274 Ghia 25-Aug-07 00:21
Re: More Chills... 333 P Mac 25-Aug-07 11:12
Re: More Chills... 322 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 12:31
Re: More Chills... 189 P Mac 25-Aug-07 13:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 349 Kboldt 24-Aug-07 19:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 364 Gary Osborn 24-Aug-07 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 422 jnisbet 25-Aug-07 01:48
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 354 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 11:00
A shadow beyond the doubt 373 drew 25-Aug-07 03:06
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 340 jnisbet 25-Aug-07 03:41
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 415 drew 25-Aug-07 12:43
Re: A shadow beyond the doubt 338 P Mac 25-Aug-07 11:46
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 366 Saravuth 25-Aug-07 14:34
please explain 320 Spiros 25-Aug-07 14:40
Re: please explain 346 Mr. Hunter 25-Aug-07 15:48
Re: please explain 358 magisterchessmutt 26-Aug-07 00:17
Re: please explain 350 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:11
the solution? 348 Spiros 25-Aug-07 18:53
Re: the solution? 373 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 20:49
Re: the solution? 309 Spiros 25-Aug-07 21:50
Re: the solution? 341 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 22:11
Re: the solution? 306 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 00:23
Re: the solution? 320 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 01:21
Re: the solution? 323 Dale Robert Lerch 26-Aug-07 07:47
Re: the solution? 350 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 20:28
Re: the solution? 367 Gary Osborn 26-Aug-07 12:37
Re: the solution? 297 Spiros 27-Aug-07 19:18
Re: the solution? 340 Gary Osborn 27-Aug-07 19:23
Question remains unanswered ... at least to me. 362 Ahatmose 26-Aug-07 02:04
Re: Question remains unanswered ... at least to me. 356 Scott Creighton 26-Aug-07 20:05
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 379 Scott Creighton 25-Aug-07 17:17
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 296 magisterchessmutt 26-Aug-07 01:52
Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 424 drrayeye 26-Aug-07 20:29
Re: Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 277 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 17:43
Re: Testing and validating the Giza axial tilt theory 372 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 17:54
Firestone 417 drrayeye 27-Aug-07 20:10
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 329 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 02:59
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 364 Ghia 27-Aug-07 03:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 343 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 06:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 306 magisterchessmutt 27-Aug-07 05:00
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 338 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 06:04
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 356 magisterchessmutt 27-Aug-07 06:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 351 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 07:12
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 380 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 14:19
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 354 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 14:51
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 373 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 16:02
Addendum ... 405 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 16:31
Re: Addendum ... 364 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 16:49
Re: Addendum ... 319 Ahatmose 27-Aug-07 17:00
Re: Addendum ... 357 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 17:30
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 350 Richard Essame 27-Aug-07 19:28
This may help, Don 334 Cesar 27-Aug-07 22:18
Re: This may help, Don 345 Ghia 27-Aug-07 23:40
Re: This may help, Don 368 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 23:59
Re: This may help, Don 352 Cesar 28-Aug-07 02:40
Re: This may help, Don 323 Sirfiroth 28-Aug-07 02:51
Re: This may help, Don 342 Cesar 28-Aug-07 04:12
Re: This may help, Don 395 Sirfiroth 28-Aug-07 05:29
Re: This may help, Don 365 Ahatmose 28-Aug-07 02:15
Re: This may help, Don 379 Cesar 28-Aug-07 04:12
Re: This may help, Don 432 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 10:56
Re: This may help, Don 333 Cesar 28-Aug-07 21:44
The Impactor 322 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 22:17
Re: This may help, Don 270 Scott Creighton 29-Aug-07 11:38
Intriguing 393 Cesar 01-Sep-07 12:03
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 423 LonelyAngel 27-Aug-07 18:37
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 373 Scott Creighton 27-Aug-07 18:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 388 LonelyAngel 28-Aug-07 17:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 337 Deep1 28-Aug-07 18:52
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 328 LonelyAngel 29-Aug-07 20:38
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 335 Deep1 29-Aug-07 20:59
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 352 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 21:23
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 337 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 16:24
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 361 Scott Creighton 30-Aug-07 17:02
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 343 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 17:43
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 313 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 20:01
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 349 Scott Creighton 30-Aug-07 21:17
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 344 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 21:44
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 327 LonelyAngel 30-Aug-07 21:57
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 366 Gary Osborn 30-Aug-07 23:40
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 363 Morph 31-Aug-07 11:39
Re: Great Pyramid Axial Tilt Theory 352 Scott Creighton 28-Aug-07 18:55
One major problem as I see it ... 313 Ahatmose 28-Aug-07 23:07
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 370 P Mac 29-Aug-07 00:02
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 299 magisterchessmutt 29-Aug-07 00:25
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 381 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 00:33
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 356 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 02:39
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 367 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 03:04
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 394 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 03:15
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 343 Richard Essame 29-Aug-07 05:24
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 286 Cesar 29-Aug-07 02:21
Re: One major problem as I see it ... 362 caugusto 29-Aug-07 04:40
Re: One major Solution? 343 Scott Creighton 29-Aug-07 09:56
Re: One major Solution? 399 Ahatmose 29-Aug-07 17:47
Re: One major Solution? 312 Richard Essame 30-Aug-07 00:16
Re: One major Solution? 358 Richard Essame 30-Aug-07 19:24
Re: One major Solution? 403 P Mac 31-Aug-07 12:44
Re: One major Solution? 342 Richard Essame 31-Aug-07 23:39
Re: One major Solution? 335 Scott Creighton 01-Sep-07 10:25
Re: One major Solution? 305 P Mac 01-Sep-07 16:13
Re: One major Solution? 349 P Mac 02-Sep-07 00:23
Re: One major Solution? 343 Ahatmose 02-Sep-07 01:50
Or another solution... 376 drew 29-Aug-07 21:35
Re: Or another solution... 306 Jackfrost 30-Aug-07 15:46
Re: Or another solution... 302 P Mac 30-Aug-07 16:39
Re: Or another solution... 363 Jackfrost 31-Aug-07 10:55
Re: Or another solution... 382 P Mac 31-Aug-07 16:01
Re: Or another solution... 369 Richard Essame 01-Sep-07 01:57


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