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cladking Wrote:
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> Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> > ...?
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> "Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core."
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> Egyptologists place great weight on the "evolution
> of tomb technology". Indeed they cite the fact
> that the first great pyramid was stacked mastabas
> as prime facie evidence that pyramids are tombs.
> Following this logic would seem to suggest that
> mastabas have a tower core like pyramids.
>
> More likely we each see what we expect. People
> think pyramids were incredibly difficult to build
> so so what if a tower core is even harder. So
> instead of seeing steps we see spiral ramps, ramps
> on accretion layers, internal ramps, pyramid
> shaped mountains, and tiny stones at the tops.
> Maybe pyramids weren't so hard to make at all and
> THIS is why they are so huge and are constructed
> out of huge stones. Maybe free standing tower
> cores would have been impossible to build.

Hi, cladking

I'm still not sure I even belong in this debate, I'm mostly concerned with what was built rather than how it was built, so I really haven't researched the subject properly and therefore something ignorant is due to pop out of my mouth at any second, but...

Yes, I certainly think some thought needs to be given to whether stepped cores could have been built concurrent with the outer layers, or just slightly ahead of them, and perhaps more importantly, why they would have been constructed that and what might be advantageous about stepped cores or accretion layers from a structural point of view.

I haven't read every post on in this thread let alone every post here on the subject, but you might be the only one I've seen talk about weight distribution and so forth concerning stepped cores.

I'm not sure I see any reason why the history of the Meidum pyramid can't be as Thanos suggests, but if we're talking about any pyramids that weren't converted from step pyramids to regular pyramids at a later date, it seems to me like the whole idea of stepped cores might contraindicate the ramp concept.

All I can picture so far is you build a ramp that's eventually as high as the stepped core so you don't have to drag blocks straight up a 70* slope, then you tear it down so it isn't in the way of adding the outer layers, and then you build another one so you can get the outer blocks where they belong.

If the challenge of it makes the use of ramps seem implausible (and it certainly does to me), perhaps the challenge of constructing a stepped core first makes them generally seem even more implausible.

Maybe I'm just having a hard time picturing it all in general, but it really tries to seem to me like some important things might be mostly missing from the debate?

Thank you for pointing in the right direction, at the very least.

Cheers!

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Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 785 Thanos5150 05-Apr-20 02:41
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 182 seasmith 05-Apr-20 04:18
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 165 thinkitover 05-Apr-20 11:08
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 154 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-20 14:26
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 145 Thanos5150 05-Apr-20 15:13
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 167 cladking 05-Apr-20 13:54
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 153 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 01:41
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 140 cladking 06-Apr-20 03:22
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 181 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 04:21
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 144 cladking 06-Apr-20 14:25
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 123 cladking 06-Apr-20 14:55
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 135 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 15:58
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 131 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 17:44
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 153 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 23:24
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 145 seasmith 07-Apr-20 03:01
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 151 Thanos5150 07-Apr-20 04:15
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 149 cladking 08-Apr-20 14:59
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 150 Thanos5150 08-Apr-20 16:13
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 147 Eddie Larry 08-Apr-20 17:15
Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 135 cladking 09-Apr-20 13:50
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 145 Thanos5150 09-Apr-20 15:59
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 161 cladking 09-Apr-20 16:10
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core 129 thinkitover 10-Apr-20 04:53
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core 145 cladking 10-Apr-20 14:10
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 188 Thanos5150 10-Apr-20 22:42
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 144 cladking 11-Apr-20 13:23
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 143 cladking 11-Apr-20 13:48
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 137 Thanos5150 11-Apr-20 16:31
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 152 cladking 11-Apr-20 16:55
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 161 Thanos5150 20-Apr-20 04:02
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 198 Steve Clayton 20-Apr-20 21:06
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 152 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-20 14:25
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 153 Thanos5150 05-Apr-20 15:15
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 156 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-20 15:44
. 135 Manu 05-Apr-20 17:50
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 139 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-20 21:22
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 135 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 05:19
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 136 Dr. Troglodyte 06-Apr-20 18:15
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 137 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 20:07
Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 174 Manu 05-Apr-20 17:53
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 134 cladking 06-Apr-20 00:45
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 147 Manu 06-Apr-20 01:27
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 138 cladking 06-Apr-20 02:21
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 177 eyeofhorus33 06-Apr-20 14:57
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 142 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 15:36
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 147 cladking 06-Apr-20 16:20
Stone Block Math 157 Manu 07-Apr-20 05:32
Re: Stone Block Math 149 Thanos5150 07-Apr-20 18:12
Re: Stone Block Math 152 Manu 07-Apr-20 20:57
Re: Stone Block Math 135 cladking 08-Apr-20 14:35
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 153 cladking 06-Apr-20 16:00
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 170 eyeofhorus33 08-Apr-20 18:14
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 139 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 01:10
Anastasi I vs the ADA 150 Dr. Troglodyte 06-Apr-20 23:08
Re: Anastasi I vs the ADA 142 Thanos5150 07-Apr-20 04:32
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 151 Steve Clayton 14-Apr-20 17:40


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