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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Again, no one doubts the tower core of Meidum was
> built first independently of the collapsed outer
> pyramid layer.

I'm hardly surprised you forgot the most important reasons it's unlikely the tower was built first. It's not only the evidence of your own eyes; look at the picture of the surviving tower! It is not smooth up and down. It mustta been attached to something unless the stripped the cladding to tie it into the steps later. There's also simple logic which you also ignored; the tower would be orders of magnitude more difficult to build than the pyramid.

> The exterior of the tower core is finely finished,
> including the tops of the steps, in the same
> manner as were casing stones.

So how and why were the visible "step tops" cleared of stone and debris?

It is far more likely this pyramid collapsed during construction while it was nearing completion.

>
>
> The builders of the outer pyramid layer depicted
> the tower core in essence as we see it today:
>

This isn't what I see.



> More proof the tower core was built independent of
> the outer pyramid layer, as well as I argue
> evidence that this is the finished structure as
> original intended, are the casing stones just a
> few feet from the bottom rough band:
>

This is an interesting picture and could strongly support your point if you could show this is actually casing stone on the "tower core". If you could also show this casing stone is not at a step top your case would be virtually proven.

> Also, again (which you did not respond to of
> course), the tower core was built using the
> accretion layer method (the 3rd Dynasty
> way).

That they used accretion layers on this or any other pyramids is unlikely to have anything to do with how stones were raised. I am aware you suggested that ramps were laid out along such layers but this is not a "theory" but an assertion. Show how these narrow layers can support ramps and men and account for the available evidence. You'll be left with huge numbers of stones and no means to drag them up. Every ramp "theory" collapses in its own details. No such theory is consistent with the physical evidence and cultural context. It is simple nonsense that the only technology they had was "inclined plane technology".

> You cannot build a tower core using
> accretion layers at the same time you are building
> horizontal coursed steps.

Why not?


> In contrast
> to E1 and E2, the extension E3 rested not on a
> solid rock foundation, but on three layers of
> limestone blocks laid on sand.[/b]

This too is interesting (if true) and supportive of your beliefs.

But remember my contention is that the tower core is chiefly to take weight off of the steps. They may have merely believed that with the little weight on the steps spread out over such a vast area that these steps didn't need much support.

> As I have noted elsewhere, Petrie, which I agree,
> did not believe there was such a thing as "E1 and
> E2" with both phases being one and the same
> comprising what we see today.

And I sometime agree with Petrie.

> These are my "stated reasons" there is no
> doubt the Meidum tower core was built first
> independently of the outer pyramid layer,
> something accepted by all who unlike you have
> actually looked at the evidence instead of just
> making up whatever.

These are all excellent reasons and I can't deny the possibility you are right.

But you might be wrong and in any case the design and construction of this pyramid is different (probably) than G1. Perhaps the only trait they share was the method used to lift the stone.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 787 Thanos5150 05-Apr-20 02:41
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 184 seasmith 05-Apr-20 04:18
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 167 thinkitover 05-Apr-20 11:08
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 156 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-20 14:26
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 147 Thanos5150 05-Apr-20 15:13
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 169 cladking 05-Apr-20 13:54
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 154 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 01:41
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 141 cladking 06-Apr-20 03:22
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 185 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 04:21
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 145 cladking 06-Apr-20 14:25
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 125 cladking 06-Apr-20 14:55
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 136 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 15:58
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 132 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 17:44
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 155 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 23:24
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 146 seasmith 07-Apr-20 03:01
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 152 Thanos5150 07-Apr-20 04:15
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 150 cladking 08-Apr-20 14:59
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 151 Thanos5150 08-Apr-20 16:13
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 149 Eddie Larry 08-Apr-20 17:15
Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 137 cladking 09-Apr-20 13:50
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 147 Thanos5150 09-Apr-20 15:59
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 163 cladking 09-Apr-20 16:10
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core 131 thinkitover 10-Apr-20 04:53
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core 147 cladking 10-Apr-20 14:10
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 189 Thanos5150 10-Apr-20 22:42
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 146 cladking 11-Apr-20 13:23
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 144 cladking 11-Apr-20 13:48
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 139 Thanos5150 11-Apr-20 16:31
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 154 cladking 11-Apr-20 16:55
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 163 Thanos5150 20-Apr-20 04:02
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 200 Steve Clayton 20-Apr-20 21:06
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 153 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-20 14:25
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 155 Thanos5150 05-Apr-20 15:15
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 158 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-20 15:44
. 137 Manu 05-Apr-20 17:50
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 140 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-20 21:22
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 137 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 05:19
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 138 Dr. Troglodyte 06-Apr-20 18:15
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 139 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 20:07
Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 176 Manu 05-Apr-20 17:53
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 135 cladking 06-Apr-20 00:45
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 149 Manu 06-Apr-20 01:27
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 140 cladking 06-Apr-20 02:21
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 178 eyeofhorus33 06-Apr-20 14:57
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 144 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 15:36
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 149 cladking 06-Apr-20 16:20
Stone Block Math 159 Manu 07-Apr-20 05:32
Re: Stone Block Math 151 Thanos5150 07-Apr-20 18:12
Re: Stone Block Math 153 Manu 07-Apr-20 20:57
Re: Stone Block Math 137 cladking 08-Apr-20 14:35
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 155 cladking 06-Apr-20 16:00
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 171 eyeofhorus33 08-Apr-20 18:14
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 140 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 01:10
Anastasi I vs the ADA 151 Dr. Troglodyte 06-Apr-20 23:08
Re: Anastasi I vs the ADA 144 Thanos5150 07-Apr-20 04:32
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 153 Steve Clayton 14-Apr-20 17:40


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