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cladking Wrote:
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> > At Meidum, as I argue, its "function" is as a
> > structure unto itself and was not originally
> > intended to be a pyrmaid.

> I seriously doubt this for reasons already stated.

These would be your "already stated reasons":

Theyt[sic] would not have built a tower if it had no function.

Just because there is a tower doesn't mean it was built first.

There is NO reason the tower might not have been built as the steps were being built.

My chief problem with the idea is that Egyptology hasn't reported any evidence that G1 and G2 are built this way. I would expect they could have seen evidence in a couple places.

You are assuming this tower was built first independently of the rest of the pyramid. This is entirely possible but there are two problems with this scenario. First is that we lack evidence for this and second is that building a tower is orders of magnitude more difficult than merely building the stepped pyramids we know they built.

In direct contrast with your statements just a few days ago:

I think though you have made a very solid argument that all or most of the great pyramids, including many smaller ones, are tower core and this could have important consequences or implications about how they were built.

Again, no one doubts the tower core of Meidum was built first independently of the collapsed outer pyramid layer.

To review:

The exterior of the tower core is finely finished, including the tops of the steps, in the same manner as were casing stones. There is no point in doing this if it were not meant to be a finished product independent of the outer pyramid layer.


The builders of the outer pyramid layer depicted the tower core in essence as we see it today:


Meaning there can be no doubt that at the time as they themselves documented this was the state of the structure before the outer pyramid layer was added.

More proof the tower core was built independent of the outer pyramid layer, as well as I argue evidence that this is the finished structure as original intended, are the casing stones just a few feet from the bottom rough band:



Obviously, regardless of all the rest of the evidence that says the same thing, it is not possible the outer pyramid layer was built simultaneously with the tower core when the lower section of the tower core was cased with finely cut finished stone which seems to clearly have been meant to reach the height of the rough band completing the finish of the tower core. Reinforcing this is the fact a second layer of casing stones are found just a few feet away which again would not be there if built in conjunction with the true pyrmaid layer:



Also, again (which you did not respond to of course), the tower core was built using the accretion layer method (the 3rd Dynasty way). The collapsed pyramid conversion layer was built using horizontal courses (the 4th Dynasty way). You cannot build a tower core using accretion layers at the same time you are building horizontal coursed steps. Apples and oranges.

It was not lost on Egypotologists either that the tower core of Meidum was built independently of the outer pyrmaid layer and meant as a finished structure. According to Verner (The Pyramids p162):

Each of the two stages, which Borchardt designated E1 and E2, was intended to be the final structure. This makes it all the harder to explain why they ultimately rebuilt (E3) in order to transform them into a genuine pyramid. In contrast to E1 and E2, the extension E3 rested not on a solid rock foundation, but on three layers of limestone blocks laid on sand.

As I have noted elsewhere, Petrie, which I agree, did not believe there was such a thing as "E1 and E2" with both phases being one and the same comprising what we see today.

Regardless, more evidence they were not built at the same time as the outer pyramid layer (E3) is that it was not built on the same bedrock foundation, but rather outside of this area made up of limestone blocks set on sand. Also speaking to this is that the baseline of the outer pyramid layer is 2.5 meters above the rock foundation of the tower core meaning up to this point there is no other way to make either without starting with the tower core first.

More evidence, though implied, is the location of the satellite pyramid:


Not lost on Egyptologists either:

"Another significant point raised by the Italian architects was the unusual proximity of the satellite pyramid to the main pyramid of less than 5 m. Again I share their opinion when they dated the satellite pyramid’s construction to before the so-called ‘E3’ stage of the main pyramid’s construction, that is to say shortly after or during one of the first two stages which are known as ‘E1’ and ‘E2’".

These are my "stated reasons" there is no doubt the Meidum tower core was built first independently of the outer pyramid layer, something accepted by all who unlike you have actually looked at the evidence instead of just making up whatever.



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 07-Apr-20 04:22 by Thanos5150.

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