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cladking Wrote:
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> And that 50% would include none of the hard
> stones; the stones that had to be lifted over 80'.
> A stone lifted to the top of the pyramid was six
> times harder than one lifted to 80' and if they
> used a straight ramp then it was SIXTY times more
> work to lift because they had to build a ramp TOO.
> And they had to build it over and over to finish
> the structure.

Why do you chop out the rest of that sentence which says:

...and also bring you to the floor of the QC and its passage which was most certainly the beginning of a change in work flow and methods.

You are arguing over nothing. Bring these blocks by ramp to this point and use other methods to install them.

> Theyt would not have built a tower if it had no
> function.

At Meidum, as I argue, its "function" is as a structure unto itself and was not originally intended to be a pyrmaid.

> Just because there is a tower doesn't mean it was
> built first.

Cladking. Stop arguing with me just to make them into step pyramids to serve your own beliefs. These points are fact. It is unequivocal Meidum and Djoser cores were built first before they were converted to pyramids. If what we see today and all of the archaeology that supports this were not enough then take the word of the DE themselves:



You made a comment about Saqarra and mastabas leading to pyramids. Mastabas are rectangular and the core of Djoser (M1) is a square and is debated whether it was ever intended to be a mastaba. Stadelmann suggest this was the nucleus of a planned pyramid, I disagree, but regardless there is no doubt it was built first. These are the facts which as usual you dismiss them at your own peril. The tower core of Meidum sits on a square base which its similarity to Djoser M1 is not lost on Egyptologists either.

> There is NO reason the tower might not have been
> built as the steps were being built.

You just saying this, contrary to the evidence, does not make it so.

> I believe they needed steps in order to pull up
> stones.

Which is the only reason, regardless of the facts, that you say what you do. This does not interest me. Did you not read anything of the other thread(s)? If you put in just a little effort you might actually learn something. Look again:


The tower core was built using the accretion layer method. The collapsed pyramid conversion layer was built using horizontal courses. Do not respond unless you understand what this means. You cannot build a tower core using accretion layers at the same time you are building horizontal coursed steps. Apples and oranges. Not to mention the Meidum tower core is dressed as a finished structure which makes zero sense if it were only planned to be covered by an outer pyramid layer.

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I have no interest your your beliefs about ramps. They are nonsense and regardless you are making a straw man just so you can argue against it so that if you "debunk" ramps this means your beliefs are valid which is bullshit. Stop. Don't care. No one cares. They used ramps but most get it at some point at a certain height this model breaks down and other solutions are required so just stop with the nonsense for once. You are arguing with yourself.



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Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 786 Thanos5150 05-Apr-20 02:41
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 183 seasmith 05-Apr-20 04:18
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 165 thinkitover 05-Apr-20 11:08
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 154 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-20 14:26
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 146 Thanos5150 05-Apr-20 15:13
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 167 cladking 05-Apr-20 13:54
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 153 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 01:41
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 140 cladking 06-Apr-20 03:22
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 181 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 04:21
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 144 cladking 06-Apr-20 14:25
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 123 cladking 06-Apr-20 14:55
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 135 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 15:58
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 131 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 17:44
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 153 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 23:24
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 145 seasmith 07-Apr-20 03:01
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 151 Thanos5150 07-Apr-20 04:15
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 149 cladking 08-Apr-20 14:59
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 150 Thanos5150 08-Apr-20 16:13
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 147 Eddie Larry 08-Apr-20 17:15
Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 136 cladking 09-Apr-20 13:50
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 146 Thanos5150 09-Apr-20 15:59
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 161 cladking 09-Apr-20 16:10
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core 130 thinkitover 10-Apr-20 04:53
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core 145 cladking 10-Apr-20 14:10
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 188 Thanos5150 10-Apr-20 22:42
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 144 cladking 11-Apr-20 13:23
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 143 cladking 11-Apr-20 13:48
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 138 Thanos5150 11-Apr-20 16:31
Re: Mebbe mastabas were build around a tower core. n/t 152 cladking 11-Apr-20 16:55
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 161 Thanos5150 20-Apr-20 04:02
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 198 Steve Clayton 20-Apr-20 21:06
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 152 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-20 14:25
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 154 Thanos5150 05-Apr-20 15:15
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 156 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-20 15:44
. 135 Manu 05-Apr-20 17:50
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 139 Dr. Troglodyte 05-Apr-20 21:22
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 135 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 05:19
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 136 Dr. Troglodyte 06-Apr-20 18:15
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 137 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 20:07
Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 174 Manu 05-Apr-20 17:53
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 134 cladking 06-Apr-20 00:45
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 147 Manu 06-Apr-20 01:27
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 138 cladking 06-Apr-20 02:21
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 177 eyeofhorus33 06-Apr-20 14:57
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 142 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 15:36
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 148 cladking 06-Apr-20 16:20
Stone Block Math 157 Manu 07-Apr-20 05:32
Re: Stone Block Math 149 Thanos5150 07-Apr-20 18:12
Re: Stone Block Math 152 Manu 07-Apr-20 20:57
Re: Stone Block Math 136 cladking 08-Apr-20 14:35
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 153 cladking 06-Apr-20 16:00
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 170 eyeofhorus33 08-Apr-20 18:14
Re: Zawayet El-Aryan, Ramp 139 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 01:10
Anastasi I vs the ADA 150 Dr. Troglodyte 06-Apr-20 23:08
Re: Anastasi I vs the ADA 142 Thanos5150 07-Apr-20 04:32
Re: Anastasi I Papyrus: Ramp Building 151 Steve Clayton 14-Apr-20 17:40


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