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Steve Clayton Wrote:
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> Once you are willing to adopt, and understand how
> to use water as a counterweight, many things are
> possible. Even lifting stones up and out of the
> Quarry.  Why not.

Modern people just don't think about ways to harness "natural" energy like wind, water, and altitude. So we don't see the evidence even when it's right at hand. Who needs stinkin' water at 80' when we have an endless fount of cheap labor that it completely expendable? When you already know the answers to anything you quit looking and everything you see reminds you of your answer.

> Water is the only efficient option for such an
> endeavor. The hillside could have had a multitude
> of such devices, as when you lift nearly straight
> up, the foundation does not need to be built like
> the Causeway. a well built wood structure, should
> be able to carry the weight and guide the weight.

They could have used wood and in a few places I believe they did exactly that. But on the causeways I have to believe they used tura limestone simply because it was such a handy way of absorbing years of production from the mine. It was necessarily stored somewhere and this was the only logical place other than another similar causeway leading from the mines down to the river. These causeways were all simply piled deep and wide with stone that would eventually be used for casing stones at Giza. Production at the mine was constant for many decades. Shipments to Giza were constant as well. What wasn't constant was the rate at which casing stone were installed. This was necessary so not to upset their shipping, quarrying, and mining industries.

> That's better than stone pulling, which in my eyes
> is a fallacy. No one has ever demonstrated going
> up hill in an efficient manner. I have seen it
> attempted, only to fail. Uphill on sleds with
> dirt, sand & stone, would grind those sleds into
> nothing.

Indeed. There is no way around this using primitive tools and primitive knowledge. If they used rollers these would have been shredded as well. Even if they had the tools and ability to do it with ramps they still lacked any sort of design that would solve the logical obstacles and the manpower to do the work. Even using modern materials would not solve the fundamental problems nor explain the evidence that exists. There were no ramps because this would have been impossible to build or account for the known evidence.

> The idea you could pull a stone on wooden
> sleds up ramps wrapping around the Pyramid is
> absurd. 2,500lbs on wood for nearly a mile is not
> possible. It would turn into saw dust.

Bones would turn into sawdust as well.

Heaving stones up a ramp a foot at a time is about as hard of work as can be done. On each pull you have to overcome static friction. If you put enough men on to do it easily then the line of men is too long to negotiate corners. The more men the more wasted effort of lifting an entire team of Egyptians to the top. You'd need hundreds of thousands of sleds to lift 6 1/2 million stones an average of about 1/ 3 mile. Many such problems can be mitigated by various means but they still remain and the extraordinarily poor efficiency can not be changed. At best you get about 5% efficiency which means you do at least twenty times more work than necessary. Yes, there are some superior ramp designs which could even mitigate this but in every case new problems in operation and evidence arise.

People need to forget ramps and look at the actual physical evidence which clearly shows they did it the easy way. They saved all the work of building ramps, dragging stones on them, and hauling off the ramps. And then you really are going to need to rebuild the ramps and acquire twenty years of Turah production to case the thing.

And remove the ramps again.

> Again, a
> figment of people's imagination. The only way that
> would be possible, is wood on wood lubricated, for
> short distances. Those sleds we have as evidence,
> would never make it.

No, they really wouldn't. The sleds in evidence are mostly for other purposes.

>
>
>
>  
> I guess they figure they had super wood, or never
> really gave it any thought. The later would be
> more like them...  I don't know... they hauled
> them up there, because I can't think of anything
> else. Lubricant was placed down. Ya, and you would
> be stepping in it, losing you footing.
>
> Anyone who has done woodworking knows I am
> correct. On the last picture, do you see a great
> deal of wear on the bottom. The other oddity is,
> the round dowels, which leave no room for rope
> passing underneath?

The ropes didn't pass underneath.

People should note the stones for the main part are between 1 1/2 and 8 tons. Apparently about 97% of the stones fall in this range (excepting the debris and fill between stones). This suggests that their means of lifting was adaptable. Rather than imagining different sized sleds it's far more likely they they didn't carry one stone at a time. It's probable they carried about 16 tons of stone at a time. They might have carried two 8 ton stones or eight 2 ton stones or some combination. This is prima facie evidence they carried about 16 tons at a time. If the system could only carry 10 tons then the biggest stones would be 5 tons.

There would be little limitation to the size of loads pulled out of the quarry by a funicular or any other system. Indeed, even bumpkins could line up by thousands and pull the stones up toward the "trial passages". I believe it was a cliff face funicular with a very high capacity (40 tons or so). These were permanent during the life of the project so could be built very robustly. This means about 30 tons of force along the causeway meaning they could pull quite a few stones at a time. But they needed the stones on a regular basis so the stones were laid out in short "trains" and it pulled several trains at a time. These moves were sudden and the stones achieved some small velocity so it was necessary to couple the stones together like train cars; a couple inches of give in the couplings so the force would be removed over several inches. This kept each train in a line with the couplings holding the stones close. This forced them to train and reduced wear and tear on all the components. What we call "proto-pulleys" were the couplings and they were attached to the lashings right below the middles of the stones. Every stone was rigged until it got near its final position and the ropes were removed and returned to the quarry.

The only sleds that were directly attached to the ropes were the "boats tied together" and, I believe these were attached with a device called the "tie of isis".

When dragging a load it's usually best to have it attached to the force moving it below its center of gravity and no higher than the applied force. If the load is distorting what its sitting on than the rope should be moved a little lower. In most cases the efficiency difference is not extreme but it can be. It is most likely to be extreme if the force is applied too high but if its low you can increase the weight on the back of the load and increase the friction significantly.


My guess is that the dowels helped to keep the runners from moving toward one another or they are part of a mechanism to hold the sled as a display.

> I question if this is really from the AE

I believe the provenance and details are considered conclusive but my knowledge here is limited. The top one I'm not familiar with.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 30-Mar-20 16:14 by cladking.

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Water for the Giza Complex 1633 Steve Clayton 10-Mar-20 16:15
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 306 Open mind 10-Mar-20 18:07
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 184 Steve Clayton 10-Mar-20 21:19
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 168 Open mind 10-Mar-20 22:40
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 187 cladking 10-Mar-20 20:23
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 177 Steve Clayton 10-Mar-20 21:31
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 169 Corpuscles 10-Mar-20 21:17
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 167 Steve Clayton 10-Mar-20 21:44
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 153 Corpuscles 10-Mar-20 22:16
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 166 Steve Clayton 10-Mar-20 22:51
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 151 Corpuscles 10-Mar-20 23:32
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 145 Steve Clayton 10-Mar-20 23:58
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 151 Warwick 11-Mar-20 17:28
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 180 cladking 11-Mar-20 00:27
Re:Give us the "works" AGAIN! 154 Corpuscles 11-Mar-20 01:16
Re: Re:Give us the "works" AGAIN! 173 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-20 01:29
Re: Re:Give us the "works" AGAIN! 148 Warwick 11-Mar-20 17:38
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 159 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-20 01:24
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 185 cladking 11-Mar-20 14:20
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 142 seasmith 11-Mar-20 16:41
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 138 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-20 20:19
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 146 cladking 11-Mar-20 21:12
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 143 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-20 21:31
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 132 cladking 12-Mar-20 00:14
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 137 thinkitover 15-Mar-20 16:35
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 148 cladking 15-Mar-20 22:39
Petrie's prejudice? 149 Warwick 11-Mar-20 17:46
Re: Petrie's prejudice? 154 cladking 11-Mar-20 18:02
Sam 139 Warwick 11-Mar-20 18:23
Re: Sam 144 cladking 11-Mar-20 18:42
Re: Sam 148 Warwick 11-Mar-20 19:00
Re: Sam 149 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-20 21:36
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Sam 143 Warwick 12-Mar-20 17:32
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Re: Sam 127 cladking 18-Mar-20 16:51
Re: Sam 129 Steve Clayton 18-Mar-20 17:08
Re: Sam 139 cladking 18-Mar-20 17:50
Re: Sam 131 Steve Clayton 18-Mar-20 18:11
Re: Petrie's prejudice? 139 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-20 21:21
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 149 SandyJesse 12-Mar-20 21:13
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 151 cladking 12-Mar-20 21:57
Faiyum Depression 149 Dr. Troglodyte 11-Mar-20 20:05
Re: Faiyum Depression 147 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-20 20:52
Re: Faiyum Depression 152 Dr. Troglodyte 12-Mar-20 01:08
Re: Faiyum Depression 148 Steve Clayton 12-Mar-20 03:03
Re: Faiyum Depression 152 Warwick 12-Mar-20 17:25
Re: Faiyum Depression 136 cladking 12-Mar-20 19:52
Re: Faiyum Depression 146 Warwick 12-Mar-20 19:58
Re: Faiyum Depression 130 Steve Clayton 12-Mar-20 23:20
Re: Faiyum Depression 136 Warwick 16-Mar-20 17:24
Re: Faiyum Depression 129 Steve Clayton 16-Mar-20 19:45
Re: Faiyum Depression 135 Warwick 16-Mar-20 19:51
Re: Faiyum Depression 138 Steve Clayton 16-Mar-20 20:03
Old Fart 133 Warwick 16-Mar-20 20:46
Re: Old Fart 133 Steve Clayton 16-Mar-20 21:16
Re: Old Fart 135 Warwick 18-Mar-20 16:59
Central Wadi 137 Dr. Troglodyte 13-Mar-20 17:29
Re: Central Wadi 137 Steve Clayton 13-Mar-20 17:44
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 142 Steve Clayton 11-Mar-20 21:58
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 150 Corpuscles 11-Mar-20 22:49
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 135 cladking 12-Mar-20 00:10
In summation 147 Warwick 12-Mar-20 17:39
Re: In summation 148 cladking 12-Mar-20 19:36
Re: In summation 144 Warwick 12-Mar-20 19:52
Re: In summation 143 cladking 12-Mar-20 19:59
Re: In summation 154 Warwick 12-Mar-20 20:06
Re: In summation 134 cladking 12-Mar-20 20:11
Does everyone see what I see??? 142 Warwick 12-Mar-20 20:17
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 153 Thanos5150 12-Mar-20 01:58
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 158 Steve Clayton 12-Mar-20 03:27
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 135 Thanos5150 12-Mar-20 15:59
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 146 Steve Clayton 12-Mar-20 17:35
red Granite and a question 140 Warwick 12-Mar-20 17:44
Re: red Granite and a question 145 Steve Clayton 12-Mar-20 20:40
Re: red Granite and a question 139 Warwick 16-Mar-20 16:43
Re: red Granite and a question 134 Steve Clayton 16-Mar-20 18:46
Re: red Granite and a question 132 Warwick 16-Mar-20 19:46
Re: red Granite and a question 137 Steve Clayton 16-Mar-20 20:00
Re: red Granite and a question 137 Warwick 16-Mar-20 20:57
Re: red Granite and a question 140 Steve Clayton 16-Mar-20 21:25
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 143 Warwick 12-Mar-20 17:04
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 151 Corpuscles 12-Mar-20 16:11
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 155 Thanos5150 12-Mar-20 16:32
aquatic prestidigitation 134 Warwick 12-Mar-20 17:14
Re: aquatic prestidigitation 136 cladking 12-Mar-20 19:27
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Re: aquatic prestidigitation 127 cladking 12-Mar-20 20:03
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Re: aquatic prestidigitation 144 cladking 12-Mar-20 20:39
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 132 cladking 12-Mar-20 19:24
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 140 cladking 12-Mar-20 20:06
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 144 cladking 12-Mar-20 20:52
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 144 Glass Jigsaw 12-Mar-20 17:51
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 162 Steve Clayton 13-Mar-20 00:16
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 136 Steve Clayton 13-Mar-20 17:33
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 159 Thanos5150 13-Mar-20 16:11
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 138 Steve Clayton 13-Mar-20 17:21
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 141 Thanos5150 13-Mar-20 23:45
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 165 Steve Clayton 14-Mar-20 00:28
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 157 Thanos5150 14-Mar-20 04:37
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 156 Steve Clayton 14-Mar-20 05:53
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 150 Thanos5150 15-Mar-20 15:14
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 135 Steve Clayton 15-Mar-20 23:53
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 160 Thanos5150 16-Mar-20 17:04
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 139 Steve Clayton 16-Mar-20 18:21
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 160 cladking 16-Mar-20 22:35
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 149 Thanos5150 18-Mar-20 04:38
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 141 Steve Clayton 18-Mar-20 17:37
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 137 Steve Clayton 18-Mar-20 21:33
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 149 Thanos5150 18-Mar-20 22:39
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 156 Steve Clayton 19-Mar-20 00:48
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 153 Thanos5150 19-Mar-20 03:28
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 139 Steve Clayton 19-Mar-20 14:42
Food for thought 132 Warwick 19-Mar-20 16:52
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Re: Food for thought 140 Steve Clayton 19-Mar-20 17:54
Re: Food for thought 126 cladking 20-Mar-20 14:20
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 128 Steve Clayton 21-Mar-20 19:14
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 129 Steve Clayton 21-Mar-20 23:48
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 140 Steve Clayton 22-Mar-20 16:38
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 141 thinkitover 22-Mar-20 18:36
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 132 Steve Clayton 22-Mar-20 22:21
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 135 cladking 22-Mar-20 21:00
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 128 Steve Clayton 22-Mar-20 23:00
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 145 cladking 23-Mar-20 02:11
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 151 Steve Clayton 23-Mar-20 19:28
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 130 cladking 23-Mar-20 14:33
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 144 Steve Clayton 23-Mar-20 23:09
Re: Water for Moving Stones up the Causeway 135 Steve Clayton 24-Mar-20 21:19
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 124 cladking 25-Mar-20 14:50
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 150 Steve Clayton 25-Mar-20 18:20
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 120 Steve Clayton 26-Mar-20 19:53
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 123 Steve Clayton 26-Mar-20 21:02
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 128 Steve Clayton 26-Mar-20 22:43
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 121 Steve Clayton 27-Mar-20 21:51
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 117 Steve Clayton 28-Mar-20 01:51
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 142 Steve Clayton 28-Mar-20 21:52
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 124 Steve Clayton 30-Mar-20 15:00
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 117 Steve Clayton 30-Mar-20 21:22
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 136 cladking 31-Mar-20 02:19
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 131 Steve Clayton 31-Mar-20 05:22
Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 130 Steve Clayton 31-Mar-20 18:41
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 127 cladking 01-Apr-20 17:02
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 119 Steve Clayton 01-Apr-20 19:36
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 123 cladking 01-Apr-20 22:30
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 120 Steve Clayton 02-Apr-20 21:48
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 131 cladking 03-Apr-20 12:51
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 101 Steve Clayton 03-Apr-20 18:58
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 118 cladking 03-Apr-20 20:03
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 116 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-20 01:55
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 119 Thanos5150 04-Apr-20 14:51
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 112 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-20 18:17
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 118 Thanos5150 04-Apr-20 23:21
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 111 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-20 02:51
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 125 Thanos5150 05-Apr-20 03:49
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 118 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-20 14:20
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 119 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 01:05
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 119 cladking 04-Apr-20 14:56
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 113 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-20 22:53
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 106 cladking 05-Apr-20 13:10
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 120 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-20 15:01
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 106 cladking 05-Apr-20 21:13
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 110 Steve Clayton 05-Apr-20 23:26
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 108 cladking 06-Apr-20 00:08
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 133 SandyJesse 01-Apr-20 22:38
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 129 SandyJesse 02-Apr-20 00:22
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 126 cladking 02-Apr-20 00:39
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 132 SandyJesse 02-Apr-20 00:52
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 154 SandyJesse 02-Apr-20 01:10
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 125 Warwick 02-Apr-20 18:39
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 117 cladking 02-Apr-20 19:42
STOP BEING DISHONEST!!!!! 114 Warwick 03-Apr-20 22:18
Re: STOP BEING DISHONEST!!!!! 107 cladking 04-Apr-20 15:59
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 126 Steve Clayton 02-Apr-20 22:17
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 129 Warwick 03-Apr-20 23:20
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 111 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-20 18:08
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 109 cladking 04-Apr-20 18:39
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 128 SandyJesse 02-Apr-20 23:32
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 117 Steve Clayton 03-Apr-20 01:03
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 125 SandyJesse 03-Apr-20 01:39
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 123 cladking 03-Apr-20 03:22
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 116 Steve Clayton 03-Apr-20 19:42
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 113 cladking 03-Apr-20 19:53
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 117 Steve Clayton 03-Apr-20 21:11
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 117 SandyJesse 03-Apr-20 22:20
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 115 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-20 18:32
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 119 SandyJesse 04-Apr-20 21:56
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 108 cladking 04-Apr-20 22:05
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 106 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-20 22:30
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 115 Steve Clayton 03-Apr-20 19:17
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 111 Steve Clayton 03-Apr-20 19:29
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 119 SandyJesse 03-Apr-20 21:06
Re: Stone Pullers vs Canal Men 131 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-20 01:57
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 136 Thanos5150 30-Mar-20 23:20
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 115 Steve Clayton 31-Mar-20 00:40
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 123 Thanos5150 31-Mar-20 16:38
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 132 Thanos5150 21-Mar-20 22:49
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 136 Thanos5150 23-Mar-20 15:30
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 117 Steve Clayton 01-Apr-20 19:13
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 141 Steve Clayton 13-Mar-20 18:12
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 140 Steve Clayton 14-Mar-20 00:02
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 144 Steve Clayton 15-Mar-20 16:51
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 122 cladking 15-Mar-20 22:13
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 117 cladking 15-Mar-20 22:37
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 123 Steve Clayton 16-Mar-20 00:11
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 132 drew 16-Mar-20 00:49
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 145 drew 16-Mar-20 00:51
Hold it right there 127 Warwick 17-Mar-20 17:40
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 121 cladking 18-Mar-20 01:20
he is gaslighting you 118 Warwick 18-Mar-20 17:05
Re: he is gaslighting you 119 cladking 18-Mar-20 17:44
a final shot thru the rigging 117 Warwick 18-Mar-20 18:31
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 148 drew 16-Mar-20 00:28
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 128 Steve Clayton 16-Mar-20 04:03
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 151 Corpuscles 16-Mar-20 05:34
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 133 thinkitover 16-Mar-20 13:10
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 123 Steve Clayton 16-Mar-20 15:34
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 134 cladking 16-Mar-20 13:10
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 132 Steve Clayton 16-Mar-20 19:37
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 136 Steve Clayton 16-Mar-20 15:17
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 132 Warwick 16-Mar-20 17:37
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 139 drew 16-Mar-20 22:31
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 127 Warwick 17-Mar-20 17:33
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 131 Steve Clayton 17-Mar-20 18:38
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 129 Warwick 17-Mar-20 18:52
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 119 Steve Clayton 17-Mar-20 20:00
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 116 Warwick 18-Mar-20 17:14
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 128 Steve Clayton 18-Mar-20 17:47
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Re: Water for the Giza Complex 112 Steve Clayton 18-Mar-20 18:25
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 139 Thanos5150 18-Mar-20 01:09
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 139 cladking 18-Mar-20 01:33
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 147 Thanos5150 18-Mar-20 04:42
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 141 cladking 18-Mar-20 13:28
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 138 cladking 18-Mar-20 14:44
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 144 Thanos5150 18-Mar-20 22:13
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 124 Steve Clayton 18-Mar-20 22:24
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 119 cladking 19-Mar-20 00:20
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 128 cladking 19-Mar-20 00:10
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 121 cladking 19-Mar-20 00:16
the name of the game is obfuscation 128 Warwick 19-Mar-20 16:58
Stop the Bus. Sam NEEDS to get off 132 Warwick 18-Mar-20 17:29
Re: Stop the Bus. Sam NEEDS to get off 133 Steve Clayton 18-Mar-20 18:19
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Re: Stop the Bus. Sam NEEDS to get off 120 cladking 18-Mar-20 19:34
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 122 Steve Clayton 18-Mar-20 18:13
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 133 cladking 18-Mar-20 19:42
Canal Searching 121 Steve Clayton 18-Mar-20 21:18
Re: Water for the Giza Complex 140 Steve Clayton 18-Mar-20 18:05
Steve 135 Warwick 18-Mar-20 18:20
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Re: Locks and non existent water fantasy 125 Corpuscles 06-Apr-20 02:53
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Re: Locks and non existent water fantasy 125 Corpuscles 06-Apr-20 04:25
Re: Locks and non existent water fantasy 116 cladking 06-Apr-20 14:45
Re: Locks and non existent water fantasy 124 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 15:52
Re: Locks and non existent water fantasy 114 Thanos5150 06-Apr-20 03:37
Re: Locks and non existent water fantasy 113 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 14:59
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Re: Locks and non existent water fantasy 113 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 18:27
Re: Locks and non existent water fantasy 118 cladking 06-Apr-20 18:59
Re: Locks and non existent water fantasy 115 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-20 21:02
Re: Locks and non existent water fantasy 130 SandyJesse 06-Apr-20 21:45
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Re: Locks and non existent water fantasy 111 SandyJesse 06-Apr-20 22:54
Re: Locks and non existent water fantasy 117 SandyJesse 06-Apr-20 23:37
Re: Locks and non existent water fantasy 131 Corpuscles 06-Apr-20 23:17
Re: Locks and non existent water fantasy 118 Thanos5150 07-Apr-20 04:29
Re: Locks and non existent water fantasy 132 Corpuscles 07-Apr-20 07:24
Re: Locks and non existent water fantasy 116 Thanos5150 07-Apr-20 17:24
Water Funiculars are not a fantasy 187 Steve Clayton 07-Apr-20 17:53
Re: English as a First Language 119 cladking 06-Apr-20 03:08
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