Steve Clayton Wrote:
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> You are not understanding. I likely am confusing
> you. My fault.  No one is stacking the entire
> Pyramid down at the Nile. They are only getting
> out in front of the Pyramid start date. There is
> an abundance of room down there for 1-2 weeks of
> needed stones, based on a 500 stones per day
> basis.  1 week (7 days) 500 x 7 = 3,500 stones.
> If it were decided they wanted 2 weeks , prior to
> sending them up the Causeway, they would have cut
> and placed 7,000 stones down by the Nile. If it
> were 4 stones per skid, that would require 875
> skids. I suspect they would base their start date
> on items like "how much wood do we have"? How many
> men do we have? Far less that pulling stones
> uphill. If you feel 875 skids were to much, how
> many skids do you like? I will show how to meet
> your criteria.

I don't really have a problem with the idea they had 875 skids. The total amount of wood to build them pales in comparison to Egyptological beliefs about sleepers, skids, rollers, pry bars, cranes, and sundry other fabricated pieces that would be required to build it with ramps. Sleds dragged a half mile on ramps or wet sand would be far worse for wear and need to be replaced frequently.

They had very little wood so any system you design should incorporate this fact. Since this wholly unnecessary and superfluous operation uses most of the wood required for your theory it should be held aside on this basis alone.

> Tell me, just how many men do you propose were
> hauling stones out of the Quarry and placing it at
> the Pyramids base. If you and your other 7 men,
> don't get there in 10 minutes, you have failed.

Basically it would require about 30 men. Two to rig stones, six to return sleds, ropes, and proto-pulleys, one to operate the weir, and one to unlash stones and attach to the new motive force. Add in about 20 spell men and the task requires approximately 30 men. This does not include about 15 men who work on the causeway. It doesn't include the 4,000 men in the quarry or the work force of the Turah Mines. It doesn't include about 2000 maritime workers or an average 40 men at the Aswan quarries. It doesn't include about a dozen overseers. It also doesn't include the man-power to build all this infrastructure including the Ladder of Set and the linear funicular. It doesn't include maintenance of the equipment.

> So, do you think you could keep up with that
> schedule all day? Because that is what would be
> required. Are you proposing they pushed the stones
> of the skids, at the base? Think it through.

There were two cliff face counterweights. They could easily handle the required capacity.

> And you seem to misunderstand, it makes no
> difference. I will be able to pull that stone
> downhill faster than you can uphill. So, I will be
> faster with far less effort. as the Causeway
> performs all the other labor for free, other than
> water. I don't have to pull anything back up. You
> do... I just use water for that function. I'm
> lazy, rather us my brain than my back.

You are proposing stone that was only 50' below the pavement was lowered to 225' below the pavement and then raised 225' to the pavement.

> Did they not need to build the Causeway. That is
> what ruins of a ramp you are seeing. Stone used to
> build the Causeway. They had no other choice.

I agree. You've made a strong argument for this. I agree it was OBVIOUSLY a construction ramp and I agree that it was most probably a funicular. We only differ as to what it was hauling and its likely configuration. I believe it took water in one direction and casing stone and supplies in the other. All of these commodities were needed. Efficiency!

But you are ignoring the evidence and the ruins of a second causeway just to the east of the queens pyramids that obviated the need for hauling the stones down to the river.

>  I
> have recalculated how many Barges traveling with
> stones on the Causeway would be as a minimum.  4
> Barges 500 feet apart traveling at a mans average
> walking speed, would place the next barge into the
> pool in 2.5 minutes. That leaves another 7.5
> minute to pull the skids from the Barge, push it
> sideways, and re-engage the ropes. Increase more
> stones than 10, and your time increases. They
> custom fitted everything based on their agenda.
> Some AE was really good at planning and math.

Speeding up the funicular does solve several problems.

> I stay away from all of that. I have no idea what
> was in their heads. I will leave that up to you,
> as you study it.
> I will be looking forward that post.

This might be the only thing with which I agree with Egyptology. The builders were even more interesting than the pyramid. But since the pyramid is a time capsule everything the builders are is recorded inside. ...Right under the NE corner.

> Let me know if I didn't clear that up. One of
> these days, I hope to make a movie, which would
> make all this much clear and easier to
> understand.

I look forward to this! It will be nice to see something other than the standard fare.

> Thanks for the input. I am redoing my
> Illustration(s) for the 4 Barge per side,
> scenario. It's not easy. Sketchup is fighting
> me...

We do agree much more than we disagree. I've found your posts to be hugely interesting.

> PS. No body is dragging sleds over sand. The wood
> arrives by boat. The sleds are always on a track.
> They slide better on lubricated wood, than sand.

Sorry. That was a little slap at modern "science" that has solved how the pyramids were built. They have determined they didn't even need ramps because they could drag stones up wet sand dunes.

Ya' can't make this stuff up. We are rushing headlong into a dark ages and everyone has their eyes closed.




Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 28-Mar-20 14:58 by cladking.