cladking Wrote:
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> Look at the size of the pyramid;
>
>
>
> Do you really see a place down by the river to
> store any significant part of it?   Where are they
> going to get all the wood to make thousands of
> sleds that will get worn being dragged over desert
> sand?  
>
> You seem to still be missing my point that for
> every foot you pull a stone downhill away from
> your destination you have to pull it exactly one
> foot back UPHILL.  
>
> Obviously if they had unlimited amounts of water
> and unlimited capacity then your proposal makes
> some sense.  But let me ask you this.  Why
> wouldn't they take a direct route so they wouldn't
> need so much capacity in the causeway?   Why
> wouldn't they take the direct route exactly what
> we can see ruins of a ramp/ causeway/ funicular
> run TODAY?  Since the lift is so much lesser the
> capacity is much higher.  The requirements for
> water are far lower.  
>
> They had to build these in peak growing season
> with no crop in the ground.  It was a risky
> proposition under the best of conditions so they
> certainly wouldn't create work that never needed
> to be done.  These pyramids don't represent
> religion or even a dead king.  They manifest
> efficiency.  This is the story they've been trying
> to tell for 4750 years.   There was almost no
> wasted work at all on these.  
>
> One of these days I'm going to write out a post
> about pyramid building from the laborer's
> perspective.  It will be wholly unrecognizable to
> people because there was NO religion, NO magic,
> AND NO waste at all.  They prided themselves on
> the ability to get the most done with the least
> effort.  The henu boat (counterweight) had the
> head of an oryx at its prow simply because the
> concept of animals was a natural process.  They
> didn't anthropomorphize reality itself rather they
> ascribed traits of man, animals, boats, and Egypt
> itself to all of nature and we misinterpret it
> all.  The oryx needs virtually no water at all so
> their project of making a new body for the dead
> king needed no water at all.  Their construction
> of a time capsule for the first 40,000 years of
> human history and science required no water just
> like the oryx which gets most of its needs from
> plants it ate and dew.  The oryx can smell rain
> from 40 miles away so if they ever do get thirsty
> they can meander over to it.  THESE are the things
> the builders knew and THESE are the things that
> concerned them.  They would never do an hour's
> work if it could be done in 55 minutes.  They
> would never waste anything at all.  They would
> never "tiptoe in corpse drippings" but they might
> use all sorts of waste water to irrigate.   They
> danced with nature and took their lyrics right
> from her hymn book.  They were a force of nature
> and just as animals don't waste much neither did
> they.

Hi Cladking,

> Do you really see a place down by the river to
> store any significant part of it?   Where are they
> going to get all the wood to make thousands of
> sleds that will get worn being dragged over desert
> sand?  

You are not understanding. I likely am confusing you. My fault.  No one is stacking the entire Pyramid down at the Nile. They are only getting out in front of the Pyramid start date. There is an abundance of room down there for 1-2 weeks of needed stones, based on a 500 stones per day basis.  1 week (7 days) 500 x 7 = 3,500 stones. If it were decided they wanted 2 weeks , prior to sending them up the Causeway, they would have cut and placed 7,000 stones down by the Nile. If it were 4 stones per skid, that would require 875 skids. I suspect they would base their start date on items like "how much wood do we have"? How many men do we have? Far less that pulling stones uphill. If you feel 875 skids were to much, how many skids do you like? I will show how to meet your criteria.

Tell me, just how many men do you propose were hauling stones out of the Quarry and placing it at the Pyramids base. If you and your other 7 men, don't get there in 10 minutes, you have failed. So, do you think you could keep up with that schedule all day? Because that is what would be required. Are you proposing they pushed the stones of the skids, at the base? Think it through.

> You seem to still be missing my point that for
> every foot you pull a stone downhill away from
> your destination you have to pull it exactly one
> foot back UPHILL.  

And you seem to misunderstand, it makes no difference. I will be able to pull that stone downhill faster than you can uphill. So, I will be faster with far less effort. as the Causeway performs all the other labor for free, other than water. I don't have to pull anything back up. You do... I just use water for that function. I'm lazy, rather us my brain than my back.

> Obviously if they had unlimited amounts of water
> and unlimited capacity then your proposal makes
> some sense.  But let me ask you this.  Why
> wouldn't they take a direct route so they wouldn't
> need so much capacity in the causeway?   Why
> wouldn't they take the direct route exactly what
> we can see ruins of a ramp/ causeway/ funicular
> run TODAY?  Since the lift is so much lesser the
> capacity is much higher.  The requirements for
> water are far lower.  

Did they not need to build the Causeway. That is what ruins of a ramp you are seeing. Stone used to build the Causeway. They had no other choice.  I have recalculated how many Barges traveling with stones on the Causeway would be as a minimum.  4 Barges 500 feet apart traveling at a mans average walking speed, would place the next barge into the pool in 2.5 minutes. That leaves another 7.5 minute to pull the skids from the Barge, push it sideways, and re-engage the ropes. Increase more stones than 10, and your time increases. They custom fitted everything based on their agenda. Some AE was really good at planning and math.

> One of these days I'm going to write out a post
> about pyramid building from the laborer's
> perspective.  It will be wholly unrecognizable to
> people because there was NO religion, NO magic,
> AND NO waste at all.  They prided themselves on
> the ability to get the most done with the least
> effort.  The henu boat (counterweight) had the
> head of an oryx at its prow simply because the
> concept of animals was a natural process.  They
> didn't anthropomorphize reality itself rather they
> ascribed traits of man, animals, boats, and Egypt
> itself to all of nature and we misinterpret it
> all.  The oryx needs virtually no water at all so
> their project of making a new body for the dead
> king needed no water at all.  Their construction
> of a time capsule for the first 40,000 years of
> human history and science required no water just
> like the oryx which gets most of its needs from
> plants it ate and dew.  The oryx can smell rain
> from 40 miles away so if they ever do get thirsty
> they can meander over to it.  THESE are the things
> the builders knew and THESE are the things that
> concerned them.  They would never do an hour's
> work if it could be done in 55 minutes.  They
> would never waste anything at all.  They would
> never "tiptoe in corpse drippings" but they might
> use all sorts of waste water to irrigate.   They
> danced with nature and took their lyrics right
> from her hymn book.  They were a force of nature
> and just as animals don't waste much neither did
> they.

I stay away from all of that. I have no idea what was in their heads. I will leave that up to you, as you study it.
I will be looking forward that post.

Hopefully I was clear enough.  Nobody is cutting all the stone for the Pyramid. Once they cut enough to get out front of the start building date, they continues at the rate of 500 stones per day. They continued cycling their workload, once the Pyramid started.
Let me know if I didn't clear that up. One of these days, I hope to make a movie, which would make all this much clear and easier to understand.
Thanks for the input. I am redoing my Illustration(s) for the 4 Barge per side, scenario. It's not easy. Sketchup is fighting me...

PS. No body is dragging sleds over sand. The wood arrives by boat. The sleds are always on a track. They slide better on lubricated wood, than sand.