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Author: cladking ()
Date: March 23, 2020 02:11AM
Given the materials friction is almost solely the result of weight (or normal force). On an inclined plane this is dependent on the angle; the steeper the angle the lesser the friction. At 52 degrees there is little friction and at 71 degrees there is almost no friction. One of the major advantages of not dragging stones on ramps like savages is that the surfaces can be greased so total friction is inconsequential. Combine this with the other huge efficiencies and total efficiency can be many multiples higher. In other words it could have taken as little as 2% of the total work that would have been expended if ramps had been used. The scope of the pyramid could have been decreased 50 fold. If they had water most of this tiny amount of work would have done by water rather than humans.
Humans might have done well under 1% as much work to lift these stones than Egyptologists believe.
Hi Cladking,
That was written in a clear manner. Very easy to follow. Good work.
Since I have been at this for so many years, many of the Physics has been completed. The size of the Barge needed, the amount of water to pull the Barges up the Funicular, the coefficient of friction (COF), how the barges would be engaged at the bottom, offloaded at the top, turning around, placed on the downward platform, and filled with water. Over and over again. Not one single pull, but barges in tandem. 30'-60' ? feet apart. A water funicular, in a tandem arrangement. This would be necessary, to deliver the amount of stone needed.
I have been working on the problem of Friction (COF). What I have discovered, is that increasing the COF from 1 to 2, makes a significant difference. I realize now, to overcome the static friction, levers would be preferred, vs. just adding additional water. Newton's 2nd law. We worked on this years ago with Ori, though I was not aware, of how great of a difference between a 1 (COF) and a 2 (COF), would be required to overcome that static friction.
I will not bore anyone with the math, though I will update my illustrations. So, in effect, I have resolved enough problems to feel the Funicular is a workable proposition. Were the AE smart enough to develop such a system, will always be a continuous debate.
Personally, I don't see how they could have done it, without such a system. The other proposals are fraught with to many pitfalls, and math which negates their possibility. I have noticed, when individuals knock the Funicular model, they never do so with any specifics, nor do they present any other workable model. Stone pullers, up on Ramps, never happened...
It is a Myth.
Date: March 23, 2020 02:11AM
Given the materials friction is almost solely the result of weight (or normal force). On an inclined plane this is dependent on the angle; the steeper the angle the lesser the friction. At 52 degrees there is little friction and at 71 degrees there is almost no friction. One of the major advantages of not dragging stones on ramps like savages is that the surfaces can be greased so total friction is inconsequential. Combine this with the other huge efficiencies and total efficiency can be many multiples higher. In other words it could have taken as little as 2% of the total work that would have been expended if ramps had been used. The scope of the pyramid could have been decreased 50 fold. If they had water most of this tiny amount of work would have done by water rather than humans.
Humans might have done well under 1% as much work to lift these stones than Egyptologists believe.
Hi Cladking,
That was written in a clear manner. Very easy to follow. Good work.
Since I have been at this for so many years, many of the Physics has been completed. The size of the Barge needed, the amount of water to pull the Barges up the Funicular, the coefficient of friction (COF), how the barges would be engaged at the bottom, offloaded at the top, turning around, placed on the downward platform, and filled with water. Over and over again. Not one single pull, but barges in tandem. 30'-60' ? feet apart. A water funicular, in a tandem arrangement. This would be necessary, to deliver the amount of stone needed.
I have been working on the problem of Friction (COF). What I have discovered, is that increasing the COF from 1 to 2, makes a significant difference. I realize now, to overcome the static friction, levers would be preferred, vs. just adding additional water. Newton's 2nd law. We worked on this years ago with Ori, though I was not aware, of how great of a difference between a 1 (COF) and a 2 (COF), would be required to overcome that static friction.
I will not bore anyone with the math, though I will update my illustrations. So, in effect, I have resolved enough problems to feel the Funicular is a workable proposition. Were the AE smart enough to develop such a system, will always be a continuous debate.
Personally, I don't see how they could have done it, without such a system. The other proposals are fraught with to many pitfalls, and math which negates their possibility. I have noticed, when individuals knock the Funicular model, they never do so with any specifics, nor do they present any other workable model. Stone pullers, up on Ramps, never happened...
It is a Myth.
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