Steve Clayton Wrote:
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> Up to this point, the majority of people think
> there was / is no water to use. Nor, did they
> understand how it could be used. Most, were
> content with ramps and stone pullers. As you say,
> the ( Must of's). No math ever accompanied their
> propositions, other than a few. If you can't build
> a credible scenario, based on Physics and Math,
> what good is it? This is not to say, I have.
> Though I do my best, and it is high on my list of
> priorities. By all means, it is a work in
> progress. Ideas are mentioned, and canceled
> according to their plausibility.  As a better
> idea is thought of, an older idea is put aside. We
> are not planting flags in the moon here.

Hi, Steve

It seems to me as if perhaps you might have already nailed quite a bit of it in your post of 19th March?

Quote from Herodotus: (Histories 2.124) "For the underground chambers on the heights upon which the pyramids stand, which he [Cheops] caused to made as sepulchral chambers for himself an island, having conducted a channel from the Nile"

Interesting... "having conducted a channel from the Nile"? Not sure how that would be done, as water does not flow uphill."

Which makes the reticence against entertaining such ideas seem that much less understandable and makes them seem more like something Egyptologists should have been thinking of a long time ago.

Perhaps it would good to somehow keep the topics of water used for this purpose separate from the subject of potable water? I presume there's no need to use the drinking water for transportation of material or related purposes, so that part of your hypotheses might be reserved for explaining where drinking water came from to provide for thirsty laborers and so forth?

BTW, the subject of stepped core pyramids still seems badly mangled to me - I keep reading things about how we find fill where we might have expected stepped cores (although this may have to do with having only superficial access to the cores?) and what is supposedly academic conjecture that ramps were cannibalized for this filler material, not that that makes much sense if fill were needed sooner - but I keep getting a picture where building a stepped core slightly in advance of the flat plane they are working on might have eventually enabled some of a team of pullers that one seemingly runs out of room for nearing the summit, to perhaps relocate themselves on a step on the opposite side?

Perhaps you and cladking are both right when it comes to that?

I was also wondering if there might be any advantages to hemp or flax fibers for rope making, in either the making of the rope itself or its tensile strength. (I think I'm probably too brain dead at the minute to immerse myself in the history of rope making).

At any rate, it seems to me like you might have already developed a remarkably complete picture that is far less speculative than the status quo and may not require further technologies involving water?

Question - and apologies if it was already answered, I've only caught up with about half the posts in this thread - how far uphill would water have to go to get from the Nile to a particular pyramid? Is there elevation data of sufficient quality for that? I'm getting numbers for that with a casual search that are literally all over the place - no doubt you know this much better than I do.

A shame you mentioned running into things that still seem to be subject to military considerations, btw. It wasn't long enough ago I used to run into all sorts of troubles from GPS scrambling with just trying to obtain accurate coordinates for things. Tremendously frustrating, and very difficult to understand.

Anyway, thanks again for all the thought-provoking and beautifully illustrated materials. Best of luck with a book, I'd like to own a copy.

Cheers!




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