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Steve Clayton Wrote:
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> This can be said of any scale. Counterbalance and
> counterweight are both contained within the
> Funicular system. On the Pyramid, you have no such
> luxury, unless you are able to raise water to a
> higher elevation, and then apply it to your
> workload?

It requires far more work to be done to get water to the top of the plateau (horizon/ pavement/ ssm.t) than it does to get water to 81' 3" (heaven/ upper eye of horus/ step top). We know beyond doubt there was water at the top of the plateau but we don't know how it got there. We don't know if humans did the work or natural processes (gods). But SOMEONE OR SOMETHING had to have expended a lot of "effort" to lift this water. It required 1800 ft lbs for every gallon that got to the top. There are a very limited number of ways nature is known to create the condition of water being at such altitude. There are events (like rain) that can provide water but in order to spend 30 years in construction it could only have been a condition, a natural process. If it were such a process it stands to reason the builders not only utilized it (them) but strove to understand it.

Yes, your system of rain gathering could work in theory if they had massive amounts of storage and extensive earthworks. These are not in evidence and rain is too sporadic even in the great pyramid building age to depend on it. Perhaps you could find a nearby lake that could have been channeled and this would leave far less evidence. But none of this matters; they did have water. I merely propose that the water came in at 81' 3" from a carbonated aquifer (that still exists under Giza in all probability) that was harnessed.

Keep in mind that no matter how absurd it sounds that they STILL HAD WATER and this water required much more work to get on the plateau than was required to get it another 80'. Keep in mind that the cliff face provides far more lift than ANY WATER AT 80'. We can see the ramps and other evidence that the cliff faces were used to drag stones.

> So, raising the water is not a good option
> either. It too, would consume to much wood and
> labor.

They would not have raised water manually unless they used shadufs in the grand gallery. Generally it's harder to raise water than it is to raise stones. Of course this depends on the nature of their power source and the specific processes used to build the pyramid.

> I am redoing the Funicular, as it evolved, and
> became simpler. The concept of many barges, in
> tandem on the Causeway, greatly simplified
> matters. Shorter lengths of ropes. Barges get to
> come to rest. Allows men to return to work in the
> morning, where they left off. Water would be able
> to refill the reservoir overnight. Much less
> weight & stones per barge. 

Simple is good.

It is absolutely necessary that men have room to work and a sufficiently comfortable job to not die of heat stroke. If ten men can do a job you must employ about 30 to spell them and give them time off. Just like a modern plant uses four men for each job they'd need an absolute minimum of three. If they had any hard jobs (there was only one I can find) I'd wager they employed five men for each task since working in desert heat is very taxing.

If a task required 100 men you'd need 500 to cover it and 125 men at a time. Struggling, stumbling, and straining are NOT conducive to production as we imagine. Superstition does not provide capability. Our conception of pyramid building couldn't be more wrong.

> Even my math has to be in balance, of a realistic
> statement. I am working on it...

Math is great but is often misapplied to reality. Math says that if there only way to build pyramid is ramps then they used ramps. Math won't provide water or produce more work than the equations of physics calculate.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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A Study in Ramps 1520 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 17:30
Re: A Study in Ramps 234 Manu 01-Mar-20 18:25
Re: A Study in Ramps 223 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 20:08
Re: A Study in Ramps 210 Manu 02-Mar-20 02:31
Re: A Study in Ramps 193 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-20 04:54
Re: A Study in Ramps 209 Warwick 01-Mar-20 19:13
Re: A Study in Ramps 195 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 20:11
Addendum 194 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 22:51
Re: Addendum 205 Manu 02-Mar-20 02:22
Re: Addendum 185 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-20 04:56
Re: Addendum 189 Manu 02-Mar-20 11:15
an observation 192 Warwick 02-Mar-20 18:26
Re: an observation 198 cladking 02-Mar-20 18:38
Re: an observation 178 Warwick 02-Mar-20 18:45
Re: an observation 182 cladking 02-Mar-20 18:52
Point of Order 179 Warwick 02-Mar-20 18:56
Re: Point of Order 169 cladking 02-Mar-20 20:17
Re: Point of Order 181 Warwick 02-Mar-20 23:37
You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 174 thinkitover 03-Mar-20 05:20
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 172 Warwick 03-Mar-20 05:40
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 167 cladking 03-Mar-20 14:08
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 162 Warwick 03-Mar-20 18:45
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 167 cladking 03-Mar-20 20:54
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 136 cladking 11-May-20 14:33
Re: an observation 167 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 17:05
Re: an observation 164 Warwick 03-Mar-20 18:56
Re: an observation 155 cladking 03-Mar-20 20:57
Re: an observation 152 Warwick 04-Mar-20 17:49
Re: an observation 160 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:58
One Last Try 164 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:04
20 % of 1.5 Million 160 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:06
I forgot 161 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:07
Re: One Last Try 161 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:18
Re: One Last Try 152 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:33
Re: One Last Try 159 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 19:33
Re: One Last Try 162 Warwick 04-Mar-20 19:48
Re: One Last Try 154 cladking 04-Mar-20 20:04
Re: One Last Try 158 Warwick 04-Mar-20 20:21
Re: One Last Try 159 cladking 04-Mar-20 20:57
Re: One Last Try 163 Warwick 04-Mar-20 21:38
Re: It's Spring 159 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 13:13
Re: One Last Try 158 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 22:45
Re: One Last Try 161 Thanos5150 05-Mar-20 16:36
Re: One Last Try 159 cladking 05-Mar-20 16:56
Re: One Last Try 154 cladking 04-Mar-20 19:57
Re: One Last Try 151 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 13:54
Re: One Last Try 160 cladking 05-Mar-20 15:00
Re: an observation 166 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 00:36
Re: Addendum 167 SandyJesse 05-Mar-20 23:11
Re: Addendum 147 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 16:01
Re: Addendum 152 SandyJesse 07-Mar-20 23:16
Re: A Study in Ramps 189 cladking 01-Mar-20 22:58
Re: A Study in Ramps 178 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-20 03:31
Re: A Study in Ramps 157 cladking 02-Mar-20 18:47
Point of Order 162 Warwick 02-Mar-20 19:00
Re: Point of Order 154 cladking 02-Mar-20 20:05
Re: Point of Order 157 Warwick 02-Mar-20 23:43
Re: Point of Order 153 cladking 03-Mar-20 02:20
Re: Point of Order 158 Warwick 03-Mar-20 04:32
Re: Point of Order 151 cladking 03-Mar-20 14:40
Re: Point of Order 148 Open mind 03-Mar-20 15:14
Re: Point of Order 155 Warwick 03-Mar-20 18:37
Re: Point of Order 151 Open mind 03-Mar-20 19:14
Re: Point of Order - O/T, sort of 154 Warwick 03-Mar-20 19:52
Re: Point of Order 176 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 00:09
Re: Point of Order 161 thinkitover 03-Mar-20 05:27
Re: Point of Order 154 cladking 03-Mar-20 14:24
Re: Point of Order 159 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 19:44
Re: Point of Order 153 cladking 03-Mar-20 20:59
Re: Point of Order 155 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 23:34
Re: Point of Order 170 cladking 04-Mar-20 01:10
Re: Point of Order 191 Thanos5150 04-Mar-20 02:03
Re: Point of Order 159 engbren 04-Mar-20 12:46
Saw Palace Context Sign is pr wr. 178 Manu 04-Mar-20 13:12
Re: Point of Order 168 cladking 04-Mar-20 14:45
Re: Point of Order 175 Manu 04-Mar-20 14:49
Re: Point of Order 165 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:18
Re: Point of Order 159 Manu 04-Mar-20 17:36
Re: Point of Order 156 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:10
Re: Point of Order 164 cladking 07-Mar-20 21:05
Re: Point of Order 153 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 19:57
Re: Point of Order 147 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:15
Re: Point of Order 148 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 18:29
Re: Point of Order 142 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:44
Re: Point of Order 177 cladking 04-Mar-20 15:44
Re: Point of Order 175 Thanos5150 04-Mar-20 16:23
Re: Point of Order 166 cladking 04-Mar-20 16:43
Re: Point of Order 153 Thanos5150 04-Mar-20 17:38
Re: Point of Order 150 Warwick 04-Mar-20 17:46
Re: Point of Order 157 cladking 04-Mar-20 20:47
Burn all the books!!! 143 Warwick 05-Mar-20 17:46
Re: Rewrite all the books!!! 166 cladking 05-Mar-20 18:02
Re: Rewrite all the books!!! 140 Warwick 05-Mar-20 18:14
...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 151 cladking 05-Mar-20 18:53
Re: ...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 144 Warwick 05-Mar-20 20:11
Re: ...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 158 cladking 05-Mar-20 21:02
Re: ...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 154 Warwick 05-Mar-20 21:42
Re: Point of Order 157 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 17:58
Re: Point of Order 149 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:48
Re: Point of Order 146 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 16:34
Re: Point of Order 156 cladking 06-Mar-20 19:31
Re: Point of Order 148 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 00:47
Re: Point of Order 146 cladking 07-Mar-20 01:24
Re: Point of Order 153 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 17:40
Re: Point of Order 138 cladking 07-Mar-20 20:52
Re: Point of Order 155 Manu 06-Mar-20 20:31
Re: Point of Order 150 cladking 06-Mar-20 20:47
ST3W 159 Manu 06-Mar-20 21:16
Re: Point of Order 150 cladking 06-Mar-20 21:18
Ra-st3w 165 Manu 06-Mar-20 21:33
Re: Ra-st3w 160 cladking 06-Mar-20 23:08
Re: Ra-st3w 163 cladking 06-Mar-20 23:23
Re: Ra-st3w 147 cladking 09-Mar-20 03:18
Re: Point of Order 146 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 01:21
Re: Point of Order 152 Manu 08-Mar-20 17:24
Re: Point of Order 142 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 19:07
Re: Point of Order 135 Warwick 08-Mar-20 19:21
Re: Point of Order 145 cladking 08-Mar-20 21:13
Re: Point of Order 134 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 22:01
Re: Point of Order 151 cladking 08-Mar-20 23:12
Re: Point of Order 133 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 15:38
Re: Point of Order 130 cladking 09-Mar-20 17:49
Re: Point of Order 127 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 20:25
Re: Point of Order 147 Warwick 09-Mar-20 20:48
Re: Point of Order 142 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 23:12
Re: Point of Order 138 Warwick 10-Mar-20 17:01
Re: Point of Order 136 Steve Clayton 10-Mar-20 20:41
Obvious to all?? 132 Warwick 11-Mar-20 17:10
after all 132 Warwick 11-Mar-20 17:14
Re: Obvious to all?? 122 cladking 11-Mar-20 18:12
Re: Obvious to all?? 152 Warwick 11-Mar-20 18:19
Khafre Causeway-Logistics before Religion? 142 Manu 08-Mar-20 19:28
think conduit 130 Warwick 08-Mar-20 19:57
further reading 130 Warwick 08-Mar-20 20:00
Re: Khafre Causeway-Logistics before Religion? 135 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 20:12
Re: Point of Order 145 cladking 08-Mar-20 14:32
Re: Point of Order 151 Manu 08-Mar-20 15:01
Re: Point of Order 142 cladking 08-Mar-20 15:44
Re: Point of Order 143 Manu 08-Mar-20 16:03
Re: Point of Order 133 cladking 08-Mar-20 23:21
Re: Point of Order 148 Thanos5150 08-Mar-20 16:05
Re: Point of Order 134 Warwick 08-Mar-20 19:28
Re: Point of Order 139 cladking 08-Mar-20 21:25
Re: Point of Order 141 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 20:49
Re: Point of Order 131 Warwick 08-Mar-20 20:59
Re: Point of Order 145 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 22:08
Re: Point of Order 139 cladking 08-Mar-20 23:16
Re: Point of Order 138 Warwick 09-Mar-20 17:39
Re: Point of Order 140 cladking 08-Mar-20 21:05
Re: Point of Order 151 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 16:44
Re: Point of Order 135 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:03
Re: Point of Order 133 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 17:40
Re: Point of Order 135 cladking 04-Mar-20 19:09
Re: Point of Order 131 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 17:03
Re: Point of Order 132 cladking 05-Mar-20 17:52
A stupid question 146 Warwick 05-Mar-20 17:55
Re: A stupid question 135 cladking 05-Mar-20 18:47
Re: A stupid question 146 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 17:49
Re: A stupid question 143 Warwick 07-Mar-20 19:14
Re: A stupid question 141 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 23:09
Re: A stupid question 128 Warwick 08-Mar-20 18:41
Re: Point of Order 152 Open mind 03-Mar-20 15:26
Re: Point of Order 140 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:07
Re: A Study in Ramps 146 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 17:29
Re: A Study in Ramps 149 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:11
Re: A Study in Ramps 137 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 18:12
Re: A Study in Ramps 163 Thanos5150 03-Mar-20 16:10
Re: A Study in Ramps 162 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 16:57
Re: A Study in Ramps 154 Warwick 03-Mar-20 19:57
Re: A Study in Ramps 154 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:21
Sam Briefly changes Feet 144 Warwick 04-Mar-20 17:27
Re: Sam Briefly changes Feet 139 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:49
Re: Sam Briefly changes Feet 142 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:12
Rollers and Rope 155 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 16:41
Re: Rollers and Rope 132 Open mind 04-Mar-20 16:53
Re: Rollers and Rope 145 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 22:22
Re: Rollers and Rope 148 Open mind 05-Mar-20 01:25
Re: Rollers and Rope 134 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 15:34
Re: Rollers and Rope 144 Open mind 05-Mar-20 16:08
Re: Rollers and Rope 140 cladking 05-Mar-20 16:32
Re: Rollers and Rope 137 Open mind 05-Mar-20 18:26
Re: Rollers and Rope 139 Open mind 05-Mar-20 18:40
Re: Rollers and Rope 139 cladking 05-Mar-20 21:13
Re: Rollers and Rope 128 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 16:14
Re: Rollers and Rope 150 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 02:11
Re: Rollers and Rope 160 cladking 06-Mar-20 15:09
Re: Rollers and Rope 140 Open mind 07-Mar-20 01:35
Re: Rollers and Rope 145 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:37
Re: Rollers and Rope 136 Open mind 04-Mar-20 19:18
Re: Rollers and Rope 148 cladking 04-Mar-20 19:30
Re: Rollers and Rope 142 Open mind 04-Mar-20 21:29
Re: Rollers and Rope 150 Warwick 04-Mar-20 21:35
Re: Rollers and Rope 138 Open mind 04-Mar-20 22:24
Re: Rollers and Rope 143 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:31
Re: Rollers and Rope 146 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:35
Re: Rollers and Rope 151 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 01:03
Re: Rollers and Rope 135 Warwick 08-Mar-20 18:46
Re: Rollers and Rope 143 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 21:34
Re: Rollers and Rope 150 Thanos5150 09-Mar-20 00:59
Re: Rollers and Rope 148 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 14:15
Re: Rollers and Rope 136 Warwick 09-Mar-20 17:53
Re: Rollers and Rope 135 Open mind 09-Mar-20 18:10
Re: Rollers and Rope 137 Warwick 09-Mar-20 18:27
Re: Rollers and Rope 142 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 01:55
Re: Rollers and Rope 144 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:23
Re: Rollers and Rope 141 Open mind 04-Mar-20 22:30
Re: Rollers and Rope 137 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:50
Re: Rollers and Rope 146 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 23:06
Re: Rollers and Rope 141 cladking 05-Mar-20 01:01
Re: Rollers and Rope 144 Open mind 05-Mar-20 01:10
Re: Rollers and Rope 142 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 00:10
Re: Rollers and Rope 143 Open mind 05-Mar-20 00:52
Re: Rollers and Rope 144 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 16:04
Re: Rollers and Rope 137 Open mind 05-Mar-20 18:13
Re: Rollers and Rope 142 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 19:10
Khufu Quarry Ramp, G1-X and T.P.'s 170 Manu 08-Mar-20 22:32
Re: Khufu Quarry Ramp, G1-X and T.P.'s 153 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 23:22
Re: A Study in Ramps 166 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-20 22:14
Re: A Study in Ramps 170 cladking 11-May-20 14:42
Re: A Study in Ramps 138 Steve Clayton 13-May-20 03:06
Re: A Study in Ramps 125 Hanslune 13-May-20 19:58
Re: A Study in Ramps 114 cladking 14-May-20 13:48
The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 113 Hanslune 14-May-20 21:22
Re: The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 106 cladking 15-May-20 14:34
Re: The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 113 Hanslune 15-May-20 15:25
Re: The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 123 cladking 15-May-20 17:46
...and he's off and running 144 Hanslune 16-May-20 17:12
Re: ...and he's off and running 112 Steve Clayton 18-May-20 18:56
Re: ...and he's off and running 106 Warwick 18-May-20 19:47
Re: ...and he's off and running 109 Steve Clayton 18-May-20 20:31
Re: ...and he's off and running 111 Hanslune 18-May-20 22:01
Re: ...and he's off and running 114 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 22:37
Re: ...and he's off and running 95 Warwick 21-May-20 17:28
Re: ...and he's off and running 114 cladking 18-May-20 20:58
Re: ...and he's off and running 110 Hanslune 18-May-20 22:16
Re: ...and he's off and running 105 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 00:06
Re: ...and he's off and running 107 Sirfiroth 21-May-20 16:56
Re: ...and he's off and running 99 Warwick 21-May-20 17:40
Re: ...and he's off and running 142 Sirfiroth 21-May-20 20:44
Re: ...and he's off and running 112 Warwick 22-May-20 02:53
Re: ...and he's off and running 127 Steve Clayton 27-May-20 23:04
Elementary 94 Warwick 28-May-20 16:56
Re: Elementary 100 cladking 28-May-20 20:36
Re: Elementary 95 Warwick 28-May-20 20:51
Walk Like an Egypt(ologist). 116 cladking 29-May-20 13:48
just saw this 93 Warwick 04-Jun-20 20:02
Re: just saw this 90 cladking 04-Jun-20 20:15
Re: Elementary 108 Steve Clayton 28-May-20 21:59
Re: Elementary 97 cladking 29-May-20 13:41
Re: Elementary 108 Steve Clayton 30-May-20 14:14
Re: Elementary 94 cladking 31-May-20 13:37
Re: Elementary 109 Steve Clayton 31-May-20 20:03
Re: Elementary 101 cladking 31-May-20 21:55
Our History is Writ in the Rainbow. 88 cladking 01-Jun-20 14:32
still avoiding the POINT 90 Warwick 01-Jun-20 18:46
Re: still avoiding the POINT 102 cladking 01-Jun-20 21:19
It was the BORG 84 Warwick 02-Jun-20 19:02
Reality Itself was Anthropomorphized 112 cladking 03-Jun-20 01:10
Re: Reality Itself was Anthropomorphized 87 Warwick 03-Jun-20 17:35
Re: Reality Itself was Anthropomorphized 100 cladking 03-Jun-20 19:11
Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 91 thinkitover 04-Jun-20 08:41
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 88 cladking 04-Jun-20 13:38
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 78 Warwick 04-Jun-20 17:28
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 89 cladking 04-Jun-20 20:37
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 87 Warwick 04-Jun-20 21:24
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 99 cladking 04-Jun-20 21:48
Re: still avoiding the POINT 103 Steve Clayton 02-Jun-20 16:37
Re: still avoiding the POINT 92 cladking 02-Jun-20 18:45
Re: still avoiding the POINT 80 Warwick 02-Jun-20 18:55
Re: still avoiding the POINT 94 Steve Clayton 02-Jun-20 20:42
Re: still avoiding the POINT 83 Warwick 02-Jun-20 21:11
Re: still avoiding the POINT 100 Steve Clayton 02-Jun-20 23:05
Doing your work for you 91 Warwick 03-Jun-20 17:56
Re: Doing your work for you 98 Steve Clayton 04-Jun-20 02:12
Re: Doing your work for you 80 Warwick 04-Jun-20 18:03
Re: Doing your work for you 99 Steve Clayton 07-Jun-20 22:14
Re: Doing your work for you 102 Warwick 08-Jun-20 19:47
Re: still avoiding the POINT 112 SandyJesse 13-Jun-20 23:15
Re: still avoiding the POINT 124 Steve Clayton 14-Jun-20 23:19
Re: still avoiding the POINT 144 SandyJesse 18-Jun-20 22:49
Help!!!! 106 Warwick 21-May-20 17:33
Good luck Steve 108 Hanslune 18-May-20 21:55
Re: A Study in Ramps 125 cladking 14-May-20 13:57
Key words run through a database isn't research Cladking 108 Hanslune 14-May-20 21:51
Re: A Study in Ramps 161 LonelyAngel 14-May-20 16:31
Re: A Study in Ramps 117 Hanslune 14-May-20 21:56
Re: A Study in Ramps 105 Steve Clayton 18-May-20 21:53
Re: A Study in Ramps 113 Hanslune 18-May-20 22:20
Re: A Study in Ramps 130 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 01:16
Re: A Study in Ramps 117 Hanslune 19-May-20 14:45
Re: A Study in Ramps 126 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 16:07
Please, leave the windmills to Sam 113 Warwick 19-May-20 18:34
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 116 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 20:05
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 106 Warwick 19-May-20 20:55
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 127 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 21:33
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 110 cladking 20-May-20 02:47
Your lack of evidence isn't a problem you can put on others - its yours 115 Hanslune 20-May-20 04:58
Egyptology's Cultural Context 113 cladking 20-May-20 13:53
Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 110 Hanslune 20-May-20 15:43
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 107 cladking 20-May-20 17:17
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 108 Hanslune 22-May-20 17:02
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 114 Warwick 24-May-20 18:13
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 108 cladking 24-May-20 19:18
In normal conversation... 109 Warwick 24-May-20 19:52
Re: In normal conversation... 136 cladking 25-May-20 01:06
Another final word (waste of time) 130 Warwick 25-May-20 17:52
Re: Another final word (waste of time) 96 Hanslune 26-May-20 14:59
Re: Another final word (waste of time) 118 cladking 26-May-20 15:11
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 121 Steve Clayton 30-May-20 15:27
Long Live Ramps! 91 cladking 31-May-20 14:05
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 96 Warwick 20-May-20 18:05
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 113 cladking 20-May-20 20:37
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 97 Warwick 20-May-20 21:55
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 111 cladking 21-May-20 01:01
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 102 Warwick 21-May-20 17:17
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 101 Warwick 20-May-20 18:03
REALITY CHECK 120 Warwick 20-May-20 18:02
Re: REALITY CHECK 109 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 20:28
Re: REALITY CHECK 105 Warwick 20-May-20 22:04
Re: REALITY CHECK 109 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 23:53
Re: REALITY CHECK 100 Warwick 21-May-20 17:12
My boy Luke can eat 50 eggs. n/t 110 cladking 21-May-20 01:08
Re: A Study in Ramps 117 Hanslune 20-May-20 04:53
The trouble is.. 103 Warwick 20-May-20 18:09
Re: The trouble is.. 117 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 20:15
Re: The trouble is.. 101 Warwick 20-May-20 22:16
Re: A Study in Ramps 119 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 19:13
Re: A Study in Ramps 103 Warwick 20-May-20 22:20
Re: A Study in Ramps 114 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 22:46
Re: A Study in Ramps 121 SandyJesse 21-May-20 00:08
Re: A Study in Ramps 117 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 03:19
Re: A Study in Ramps 123 SandyJesse 21-May-20 04:17
Re: A Study in Ramps 119 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 14:19
Re: A Study in Ramps 110 cladking 21-May-20 14:37
Re: A Study in Ramps 110 cladking 21-May-20 14:53
Re: A Study in Ramps 130 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 15:38
there's the windmill 112 Warwick 21-May-20 17:05
Re: there's the windmill 112 cladking 22-May-20 13:24
Re: there's the windmill 103 Warwick 25-May-20 17:39
Re: there's the windmill 98 cladking 30-May-20 14:11
Re: A Study in Ramps 117 Hanslune 22-May-20 17:39
Re: A Study in Ramps 114 SandyJesse 21-May-20 15:47
Re: A Study in Ramps 128 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 16:09
Re: A Study in Ramps 111 Warwick 21-May-20 16:46
Re: A Study in Ramps 118 Warwick 21-May-20 17:44
Re: A Study in Ramps 106 Warwick 21-May-20 16:57
Re: A Study in Ramps 103 Warwick 21-May-20 16:40
Re: A Study in Ramps 112 Warwick 21-May-20 16:39
Re: A Study in Ramps 117 Hanslune 22-May-20 17:32
Re: A Study in Ramps 194 Thanos5150 23-May-20 00:00
Re: A Study in Ramps 115 Warwick 24-May-20 18:02
Re: A Study in Ramps 119 cladking 24-May-20 19:22
I've got an idea 107 Warwick 24-May-20 19:47
Re: I've got an idea 112 cladking 24-May-20 19:59
Re: I've got an idea 104 Warwick 25-May-20 17:30


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