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Steve Clayton Wrote:
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> This can be said of any scale. Counterbalance and
> counterweight are both contained within the
> Funicular system. On the Pyramid, you have no such
> luxury, unless you are able to raise water to a
> higher elevation, and then apply it to your
> workload?

It requires far more work to be done to get water to the top of the plateau (horizon/ pavement/ ssm.t) than it does to get water to 81' 3" (heaven/ upper eye of horus/ step top). We know beyond doubt there was water at the top of the plateau but we don't know how it got there. We don't know if humans did the work or natural processes (gods). But SOMEONE OR SOMETHING had to have expended a lot of "effort" to lift this water. It required 1800 ft lbs for every gallon that got to the top. There are a very limited number of ways nature is known to create the condition of water being at such altitude. There are events (like rain) that can provide water but in order to spend 30 years in construction it could only have been a condition, a natural process. If it were such a process it stands to reason the builders not only utilized it (them) but strove to understand it.

Yes, your system of rain gathering could work in theory if they had massive amounts of storage and extensive earthworks. These are not in evidence and rain is too sporadic even in the great pyramid building age to depend on it. Perhaps you could find a nearby lake that could have been channeled and this would leave far less evidence. But none of this matters; they did have water. I merely propose that the water came in at 81' 3" from a carbonated aquifer (that still exists under Giza in all probability) that was harnessed.

Keep in mind that no matter how absurd it sounds that they STILL HAD WATER and this water required much more work to get on the plateau than was required to get it another 80'. Keep in mind that the cliff face provides far more lift than ANY WATER AT 80'. We can see the ramps and other evidence that the cliff faces were used to drag stones.

> So, raising the water is not a good option
> either. It too, would consume to much wood and
> labor.

They would not have raised water manually unless they used shadufs in the grand gallery. Generally it's harder to raise water than it is to raise stones. Of course this depends on the nature of their power source and the specific processes used to build the pyramid.

> I am redoing the Funicular, as it evolved, and
> became simpler. The concept of many barges, in
> tandem on the Causeway, greatly simplified
> matters. Shorter lengths of ropes. Barges get to
> come to rest. Allows men to return to work in the
> morning, where they left off. Water would be able
> to refill the reservoir overnight. Much less
> weight & stones per barge. 

Simple is good.

It is absolutely necessary that men have room to work and a sufficiently comfortable job to not die of heat stroke. If ten men can do a job you must employ about 30 to spell them and give them time off. Just like a modern plant uses four men for each job they'd need an absolute minimum of three. If they had any hard jobs (there was only one I can find) I'd wager they employed five men for each task since working in desert heat is very taxing.

If a task required 100 men you'd need 500 to cover it and 125 men at a time. Struggling, stumbling, and straining are NOT conducive to production as we imagine. Superstition does not provide capability. Our conception of pyramid building couldn't be more wrong.

> Even my math has to be in balance, of a realistic
> statement. I am working on it...

Math is great but is often misapplied to reality. Math says that if there only way to build pyramid is ramps then they used ramps. Math won't provide water or produce more work than the equations of physics calculate.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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A Study in Ramps 1568 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 17:30
Re: A Study in Ramps 248 Manu 01-Mar-20 18:25
Re: A Study in Ramps 235 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 20:08
Re: A Study in Ramps 226 Manu 02-Mar-20 02:31
Re: A Study in Ramps 209 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-20 04:54
Re: A Study in Ramps 223 Warwick 01-Mar-20 19:13
Re: A Study in Ramps 210 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 20:11
Addendum 209 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 22:51
Re: Addendum 224 Manu 02-Mar-20 02:22
Re: Addendum 201 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-20 04:56
Re: Addendum 202 Manu 02-Mar-20 11:15
an observation 206 Warwick 02-Mar-20 18:26
Re: an observation 214 cladking 02-Mar-20 18:38
Re: an observation 194 Warwick 02-Mar-20 18:45
Re: an observation 194 cladking 02-Mar-20 18:52
Point of Order 194 Warwick 02-Mar-20 18:56
Re: Point of Order 188 cladking 02-Mar-20 20:17
Re: Point of Order 198 Warwick 02-Mar-20 23:37
You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 189 thinkitover 03-Mar-20 05:20
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 187 Warwick 03-Mar-20 05:40
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 182 cladking 03-Mar-20 14:08
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 177 Warwick 03-Mar-20 18:45
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 181 cladking 03-Mar-20 20:54
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 153 cladking 11-May-20 14:33
Re: an observation 183 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 17:05
Re: an observation 182 Warwick 03-Mar-20 18:56
Re: an observation 173 cladking 03-Mar-20 20:57
Re: an observation 164 Warwick 04-Mar-20 17:49
Re: an observation 176 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:58
One Last Try 179 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:04
20 % of 1.5 Million 175 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:06
I forgot 178 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:07
Re: One Last Try 178 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:18
Re: One Last Try 165 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:33
Re: One Last Try 176 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 19:33
Re: One Last Try 178 Warwick 04-Mar-20 19:48
Re: One Last Try 168 cladking 04-Mar-20 20:04
Re: One Last Try 172 Warwick 04-Mar-20 20:21
Re: One Last Try 175 cladking 04-Mar-20 20:57
Re: One Last Try 178 Warwick 04-Mar-20 21:38
Re: It's Spring 175 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 13:13
Re: One Last Try 172 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 22:45
Re: One Last Try 174 Thanos5150 05-Mar-20 16:36
Re: One Last Try 173 cladking 05-Mar-20 16:56
Re: One Last Try 171 cladking 04-Mar-20 19:57
Re: One Last Try 166 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 13:54
Re: One Last Try 175 cladking 05-Mar-20 15:00
Re: an observation 184 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 00:36
Re: Addendum 181 SandyJesse 05-Mar-20 23:11
Re: Addendum 160 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 16:01
Re: Addendum 172 SandyJesse 07-Mar-20 23:16
Re: A Study in Ramps 206 cladking 01-Mar-20 22:58
Re: A Study in Ramps 193 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-20 03:31
Re: A Study in Ramps 170 cladking 02-Mar-20 18:47
Point of Order 175 Warwick 02-Mar-20 19:00
Re: Point of Order 169 cladking 02-Mar-20 20:05
Re: Point of Order 174 Warwick 02-Mar-20 23:43
Re: Point of Order 170 cladking 03-Mar-20 02:20
Re: Point of Order 174 Warwick 03-Mar-20 04:32
Re: Point of Order 167 cladking 03-Mar-20 14:40
Re: Point of Order 160 Open mind 03-Mar-20 15:14
Re: Point of Order 169 Warwick 03-Mar-20 18:37
Re: Point of Order 166 Open mind 03-Mar-20 19:14
Re: Point of Order - O/T, sort of 171 Warwick 03-Mar-20 19:52
Re: Point of Order 193 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 00:09
Re: Point of Order 174 thinkitover 03-Mar-20 05:27
Re: Point of Order 167 cladking 03-Mar-20 14:24
Re: Point of Order 174 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 19:44
Re: Point of Order 165 cladking 03-Mar-20 20:59
Re: Point of Order 167 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 23:34
Re: Point of Order 184 cladking 04-Mar-20 01:10
Re: Point of Order 208 Thanos5150 04-Mar-20 02:03
Re: Point of Order 174 engbren 04-Mar-20 12:46
Saw Palace Context Sign is pr wr. 192 Manu 04-Mar-20 13:12
Re: Point of Order 185 cladking 04-Mar-20 14:45
Re: Point of Order 187 Manu 04-Mar-20 14:49
Re: Point of Order 180 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:18
Re: Point of Order 172 Manu 04-Mar-20 17:36
Re: Point of Order 174 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:10
Re: Point of Order 181 cladking 07-Mar-20 21:05
Re: Point of Order 168 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 19:57
Re: Point of Order 165 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:15
Re: Point of Order 161 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 18:29
Re: Point of Order 154 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:44
Re: Point of Order 192 cladking 04-Mar-20 15:44
Re: Point of Order 193 Thanos5150 04-Mar-20 16:23
Re: Point of Order 181 cladking 04-Mar-20 16:43
Re: Point of Order 169 Thanos5150 04-Mar-20 17:38
Re: Point of Order 165 Warwick 04-Mar-20 17:46
Re: Point of Order 169 cladking 04-Mar-20 20:47
Burn all the books!!! 153 Warwick 05-Mar-20 17:46
Re: Rewrite all the books!!! 183 cladking 05-Mar-20 18:02
Re: Rewrite all the books!!! 154 Warwick 05-Mar-20 18:14
...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 169 cladking 05-Mar-20 18:53
Re: ...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 162 Warwick 05-Mar-20 20:11
Re: ...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 173 cladking 05-Mar-20 21:02
Re: ...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 172 Warwick 05-Mar-20 21:42
Re: Point of Order 169 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 17:58
Re: Point of Order 164 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:48
Re: Point of Order 160 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 16:34
Re: Point of Order 172 cladking 06-Mar-20 19:31
Re: Point of Order 160 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 00:47
Re: Point of Order 163 cladking 07-Mar-20 01:24
Re: Point of Order 170 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 17:40
Re: Point of Order 152 cladking 07-Mar-20 20:52
Re: Point of Order 173 Manu 06-Mar-20 20:31
Re: Point of Order 166 cladking 06-Mar-20 20:47
ST3W 178 Manu 06-Mar-20 21:16
Re: Point of Order 164 cladking 06-Mar-20 21:18
Ra-st3w 184 Manu 06-Mar-20 21:33
Re: Ra-st3w 175 cladking 06-Mar-20 23:08
Re: Ra-st3w 176 cladking 06-Mar-20 23:23
Re: Ra-st3w 162 cladking 09-Mar-20 03:18
Re: Point of Order 160 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 01:21
Re: Point of Order 168 Manu 08-Mar-20 17:24
Re: Point of Order 157 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 19:07
Re: Point of Order 147 Warwick 08-Mar-20 19:21
Re: Point of Order 158 cladking 08-Mar-20 21:13
Re: Point of Order 143 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 22:01
Re: Point of Order 164 cladking 08-Mar-20 23:12
Re: Point of Order 147 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 15:38
Re: Point of Order 144 cladking 09-Mar-20 17:49
Re: Point of Order 140 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 20:25
Re: Point of Order 161 Warwick 09-Mar-20 20:48
Re: Point of Order 161 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 23:12
Re: Point of Order 155 Warwick 10-Mar-20 17:01
Re: Point of Order 152 Steve Clayton 10-Mar-20 20:41
Obvious to all?? 146 Warwick 11-Mar-20 17:10
after all 147 Warwick 11-Mar-20 17:14
Re: Obvious to all?? 134 cladking 11-Mar-20 18:12
Re: Obvious to all?? 166 Warwick 11-Mar-20 18:19
Khafre Causeway-Logistics before Religion? 156 Manu 08-Mar-20 19:28
think conduit 143 Warwick 08-Mar-20 19:57
further reading 142 Warwick 08-Mar-20 20:00
Re: Khafre Causeway-Logistics before Religion? 150 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 20:12
Re: Point of Order 162 cladking 08-Mar-20 14:32
Re: Point of Order 165 Manu 08-Mar-20 15:01
Re: Point of Order 156 cladking 08-Mar-20 15:44
Re: Point of Order 156 Manu 08-Mar-20 16:03
Re: Point of Order 146 cladking 08-Mar-20 23:21
Re: Point of Order 163 Thanos5150 08-Mar-20 16:05
Re: Point of Order 149 Warwick 08-Mar-20 19:28
Re: Point of Order 151 cladking 08-Mar-20 21:25
Re: Point of Order 160 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 20:49
Re: Point of Order 146 Warwick 08-Mar-20 20:59
Re: Point of Order 161 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 22:08
Re: Point of Order 152 cladking 08-Mar-20 23:16
Re: Point of Order 151 Warwick 09-Mar-20 17:39
Re: Point of Order 153 cladking 08-Mar-20 21:05
Re: Point of Order 164 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 16:44
Re: Point of Order 150 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:03
Re: Point of Order 150 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 17:40
Re: Point of Order 149 cladking 04-Mar-20 19:09
Re: Point of Order 146 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 17:03
Re: Point of Order 145 cladking 05-Mar-20 17:52
A stupid question 159 Warwick 05-Mar-20 17:55
Re: A stupid question 148 cladking 05-Mar-20 18:47
Re: A stupid question 160 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 17:49
Re: A stupid question 154 Warwick 07-Mar-20 19:14
Re: A stupid question 154 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 23:09
Re: A stupid question 142 Warwick 08-Mar-20 18:41
Re: Point of Order 166 Open mind 03-Mar-20 15:26
Re: Point of Order 156 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:07
Re: A Study in Ramps 157 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 17:29
Re: A Study in Ramps 167 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:11
Re: A Study in Ramps 152 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 18:12
Re: A Study in Ramps 176 Thanos5150 03-Mar-20 16:10
Re: A Study in Ramps 176 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 16:57
Re: A Study in Ramps 168 Warwick 03-Mar-20 19:57
Re: A Study in Ramps 165 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:21
Sam Briefly changes Feet 160 Warwick 04-Mar-20 17:27
Re: Sam Briefly changes Feet 153 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:49
Re: Sam Briefly changes Feet 155 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:12
Rollers and Rope 168 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 16:41
Re: Rollers and Rope 145 Open mind 04-Mar-20 16:53
Re: Rollers and Rope 159 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 22:22
Re: Rollers and Rope 160 Open mind 05-Mar-20 01:25
Re: Rollers and Rope 146 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 15:34
Re: Rollers and Rope 161 Open mind 05-Mar-20 16:08
Re: Rollers and Rope 152 cladking 05-Mar-20 16:32
Re: Rollers and Rope 151 Open mind 05-Mar-20 18:26
Re: Rollers and Rope 153 Open mind 05-Mar-20 18:40
Re: Rollers and Rope 151 cladking 05-Mar-20 21:13
Re: Rollers and Rope 143 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 16:14
Re: Rollers and Rope 166 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 02:11
Re: Rollers and Rope 173 cladking 06-Mar-20 15:09
Re: Rollers and Rope 154 Open mind 07-Mar-20 01:35
Re: Rollers and Rope 159 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:37
Re: Rollers and Rope 149 Open mind 04-Mar-20 19:18
Re: Rollers and Rope 165 cladking 04-Mar-20 19:30
Re: Rollers and Rope 158 Open mind 04-Mar-20 21:29
Re: Rollers and Rope 165 Warwick 04-Mar-20 21:35
Re: Rollers and Rope 155 Open mind 04-Mar-20 22:24
Re: Rollers and Rope 159 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:31
Re: Rollers and Rope 162 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:35
Re: Rollers and Rope 163 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 01:03
Re: Rollers and Rope 145 Warwick 08-Mar-20 18:46
Re: Rollers and Rope 161 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 21:34
Re: Rollers and Rope 165 Thanos5150 09-Mar-20 00:59
Re: Rollers and Rope 161 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 14:15
Re: Rollers and Rope 149 Warwick 09-Mar-20 17:53
Re: Rollers and Rope 151 Open mind 09-Mar-20 18:10
Re: Rollers and Rope 151 Warwick 09-Mar-20 18:27
Re: Rollers and Rope 156 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 01:55
Re: Rollers and Rope 160 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:23
Re: Rollers and Rope 157 Open mind 04-Mar-20 22:30
Re: Rollers and Rope 150 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:50
Re: Rollers and Rope 160 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 23:06
Re: Rollers and Rope 155 cladking 05-Mar-20 01:01
Re: Rollers and Rope 159 Open mind 05-Mar-20 01:10
Re: Rollers and Rope 154 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 00:10
Re: Rollers and Rope 156 Open mind 05-Mar-20 00:52
Re: Rollers and Rope 161 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 16:04
Re: Rollers and Rope 152 Open mind 05-Mar-20 18:13
Re: Rollers and Rope 158 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 19:10
Khufu Quarry Ramp, G1-X and T.P.'s 184 Manu 08-Mar-20 22:32
Re: Khufu Quarry Ramp, G1-X and T.P.'s 169 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 23:22
Re: A Study in Ramps 183 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-20 22:14
Re: A Study in Ramps 192 cladking 11-May-20 14:42
Re: A Study in Ramps 150 Steve Clayton 13-May-20 03:06
Re: A Study in Ramps 139 Hanslune 13-May-20 19:58
Re: A Study in Ramps 129 cladking 14-May-20 13:48
The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 127 Hanslune 14-May-20 21:22
Re: The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 119 cladking 15-May-20 14:34
Re: The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 123 Hanslune 15-May-20 15:25
Re: The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 137 cladking 15-May-20 17:46
...and he's off and running 159 Hanslune 16-May-20 17:12
Re: ...and he's off and running 127 Steve Clayton 18-May-20 18:56
Re: ...and he's off and running 119 Warwick 18-May-20 19:47
Re: ...and he's off and running 123 Steve Clayton 18-May-20 20:31
Re: ...and he's off and running 126 Hanslune 18-May-20 22:01
Re: ...and he's off and running 129 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 22:37
Re: ...and he's off and running 105 Warwick 21-May-20 17:28
Re: ...and he's off and running 130 cladking 18-May-20 20:58
Re: ...and he's off and running 122 Hanslune 18-May-20 22:16
Re: ...and he's off and running 120 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 00:06
Re: ...and he's off and running 119 Sirfiroth 21-May-20 16:56
Re: ...and he's off and running 111 Warwick 21-May-20 17:40
Re: ...and he's off and running 159 Sirfiroth 21-May-20 20:44
Re: ...and he's off and running 126 Warwick 22-May-20 02:53
Re: ...and he's off and running 141 Steve Clayton 27-May-20 23:04
Elementary 112 Warwick 28-May-20 16:56
Re: Elementary 115 cladking 28-May-20 20:36
Re: Elementary 112 Warwick 28-May-20 20:51
Walk Like an Egypt(ologist). 132 cladking 29-May-20 13:48
just saw this 110 Warwick 04-Jun-20 20:02
Re: just saw this 104 cladking 04-Jun-20 20:15
Re: Elementary 124 Steve Clayton 28-May-20 21:59
Re: Elementary 111 cladking 29-May-20 13:41
Re: Elementary 122 Steve Clayton 30-May-20 14:14
Re: Elementary 108 cladking 31-May-20 13:37
Re: Elementary 125 Steve Clayton 31-May-20 20:03
Re: Elementary 114 cladking 31-May-20 21:55
Our History is Writ in the Rainbow. 103 cladking 01-Jun-20 14:32
still avoiding the POINT 101 Warwick 01-Jun-20 18:46
Re: still avoiding the POINT 116 cladking 01-Jun-20 21:19
It was the BORG 97 Warwick 02-Jun-20 19:02
Reality Itself was Anthropomorphized 126 cladking 03-Jun-20 01:10
Re: Reality Itself was Anthropomorphized 103 Warwick 03-Jun-20 17:35
Re: Reality Itself was Anthropomorphized 115 cladking 03-Jun-20 19:11
Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 104 thinkitover 04-Jun-20 08:41
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 100 cladking 04-Jun-20 13:38
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 91 Warwick 04-Jun-20 17:28
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 101 cladking 04-Jun-20 20:37
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 103 Warwick 04-Jun-20 21:24
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 112 cladking 04-Jun-20 21:48
Re: still avoiding the POINT 116 Steve Clayton 02-Jun-20 16:37
Re: still avoiding the POINT 109 cladking 02-Jun-20 18:45
Re: still avoiding the POINT 92 Warwick 02-Jun-20 18:55
Re: still avoiding the POINT 110 Steve Clayton 02-Jun-20 20:42
Re: still avoiding the POINT 93 Warwick 02-Jun-20 21:11
Re: still avoiding the POINT 115 Steve Clayton 02-Jun-20 23:05
Doing your work for you 107 Warwick 03-Jun-20 17:56
Re: Doing your work for you 114 Steve Clayton 04-Jun-20 02:12
Re: Doing your work for you 93 Warwick 04-Jun-20 18:03
Re: Doing your work for you 112 Steve Clayton 07-Jun-20 22:14
Re: Doing your work for you 116 Warwick 08-Jun-20 19:47
Re: still avoiding the POINT 131 SandyJesse 13-Jun-20 23:15
Re: still avoiding the POINT 140 Steve Clayton 14-Jun-20 23:19
Re: still avoiding the POINT 162 SandyJesse 18-Jun-20 22:49
Help!!!! 119 Warwick 21-May-20 17:33
Good luck Steve 119 Hanslune 18-May-20 21:55
Re: A Study in Ramps 139 cladking 14-May-20 13:57
Key words run through a database isn't research Cladking 119 Hanslune 14-May-20 21:51
Re: A Study in Ramps 177 LonelyAngel 14-May-20 16:31
Re: A Study in Ramps 130 Hanslune 14-May-20 21:56
Re: A Study in Ramps 120 Steve Clayton 18-May-20 21:53
Re: A Study in Ramps 126 Hanslune 18-May-20 22:20
Re: A Study in Ramps 145 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 01:16
Re: A Study in Ramps 133 Hanslune 19-May-20 14:45
Re: A Study in Ramps 142 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 16:07
Please, leave the windmills to Sam 126 Warwick 19-May-20 18:34
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 129 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 20:05
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 118 Warwick 19-May-20 20:55
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 140 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 21:33
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 125 cladking 20-May-20 02:47
Your lack of evidence isn't a problem you can put on others - its yours 127 Hanslune 20-May-20 04:58
Egyptology's Cultural Context 130 cladking 20-May-20 13:53
Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 124 Hanslune 20-May-20 15:43
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 123 cladking 20-May-20 17:17
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 122 Hanslune 22-May-20 17:02
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 128 Warwick 24-May-20 18:13
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 122 cladking 24-May-20 19:18
In normal conversation... 124 Warwick 24-May-20 19:52
Re: In normal conversation... 152 cladking 25-May-20 01:06
Another final word (waste of time) 143 Warwick 25-May-20 17:52
Re: Another final word (waste of time) 106 Hanslune 26-May-20 14:59
Re: Another final word (waste of time) 132 cladking 26-May-20 15:11
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 137 Steve Clayton 30-May-20 15:27
Long Live Ramps! 103 cladking 31-May-20 14:05
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 110 Warwick 20-May-20 18:05
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 128 cladking 20-May-20 20:37
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 109 Warwick 20-May-20 21:55
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 127 cladking 21-May-20 01:01
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 115 Warwick 21-May-20 17:17
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 117 Warwick 20-May-20 18:03
REALITY CHECK 136 Warwick 20-May-20 18:02
Re: REALITY CHECK 125 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 20:28
Re: REALITY CHECK 123 Warwick 20-May-20 22:04
Re: REALITY CHECK 122 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 23:53
Re: REALITY CHECK 113 Warwick 21-May-20 17:12
My boy Luke can eat 50 eggs. n/t 122 cladking 21-May-20 01:08
Re: A Study in Ramps 131 Hanslune 20-May-20 04:53
The trouble is.. 116 Warwick 20-May-20 18:09
Re: The trouble is.. 129 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 20:15
Re: The trouble is.. 116 Warwick 20-May-20 22:16
Re: A Study in Ramps 132 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 19:13
Re: A Study in Ramps 114 Warwick 20-May-20 22:20
Re: A Study in Ramps 127 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 22:46
Re: A Study in Ramps 135 SandyJesse 21-May-20 00:08
Re: A Study in Ramps 133 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 03:19
Re: A Study in Ramps 137 SandyJesse 21-May-20 04:17
Re: A Study in Ramps 132 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 14:19
Re: A Study in Ramps 124 cladking 21-May-20 14:37
Re: A Study in Ramps 126 cladking 21-May-20 14:53
Re: A Study in Ramps 146 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 15:38
there's the windmill 124 Warwick 21-May-20 17:05
Re: there's the windmill 128 cladking 22-May-20 13:24
Re: there's the windmill 118 Warwick 25-May-20 17:39
Re: there's the windmill 112 cladking 30-May-20 14:11
Re: A Study in Ramps 132 Hanslune 22-May-20 17:39
Re: A Study in Ramps 129 SandyJesse 21-May-20 15:47
Re: A Study in Ramps 141 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 16:09
Re: A Study in Ramps 127 Warwick 21-May-20 16:46
Re: A Study in Ramps 133 Warwick 21-May-20 17:44
Re: A Study in Ramps 116 Warwick 21-May-20 16:57
Re: A Study in Ramps 118 Warwick 21-May-20 16:40
Re: A Study in Ramps 128 Warwick 21-May-20 16:39
Re: A Study in Ramps 130 Hanslune 22-May-20 17:32
Re: A Study in Ramps 213 Thanos5150 23-May-20 00:00
Re: A Study in Ramps 129 Warwick 24-May-20 18:02
Re: A Study in Ramps 131 cladking 24-May-20 19:22
I've got an idea 118 Warwick 24-May-20 19:47
Re: I've got an idea 126 cladking 24-May-20 19:59
Re: I've got an idea 119 Warwick 25-May-20 17:30


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