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There were likely, never any ramps running inside or outside on the faces of the Pyramids. They would be unproductive, labor intensive, and unnecessary in the construction of the Pyramid.

According to Franz Löhner, and his associates, you only need 50 men (per average size stone) to lift and pull it up the 51.5 degree face. His research was extensive.
[www.cheops-pyramide.ch]

The distance using a spiral ramp system, inside or out, wrapping around the Pyramid would equal approximately 83% of a mile (4,380.89ft.) and/or (1.335k) kilometers. (One mile = 5280ft. or 1.6k) The face of this Pyramid, in surface length, is approximately 612 ft. or .186 kilometers, from bottom to top. 4,380 spiral footage length, div. by 612 ft. face surface length = 7.158. The face length is 14% of the spiral ramp theory. Basically, a little more than 7... (7.143) times as short in distance. This is based on a 5.7 grade degree angle, as proposed by the ramp Spiral enthusiast's.

For fact checkers, here are the measurements of the 22 spiral angle's ascending to the top. I use Sketchup in 3D, (to size) for my results. Those 22 angles measure:  689.03', 591.93',508.49',436.81', 374.72', 321.13', 257.86', 236.98', 192.23', 142.73', 122.61', 105.33', 90.48', 77.72', 57.03', 47.98', 37.88', 24.09', 20.69', 17.78', 15.27', & 13.12'.

The Pyramid face = 51.3 degrees, which is 9 times the spiral angle of 5.7 degrees. In that spiral proposal they use 8 men to transverse upwards. 8 men X 9 ( difference in angle) = 72 men.   Franz Löhner calculated only 50 men need to perform one single pull.  Additionally, with the ramp concept, if one group stops for any reason, the entire production line would likely grind to a halt.

As there are 22 corners to reach the top, the line grinds to a stop 22 times, lifting and turning each stone, at each end. They are on a time schedule. It's not because they consume 2-5 minutes in this realignment that causes an issue, it's because... this is happening all the time, all at different time intervals. The higher the build, the more frequent the entire line needs to stop, as the tunnels become shorter and shorter, and those ends approach faster and faster. Those on the last run, (short distance) would be stopping those on the first run, (long distance) time and time again. The last turn which happens in 15.27 feet, would be stopping all the men on the first run, 45 times, as they wait for the last 90 degree turn of each stone. Actually, it is worse than that, due to all the variable stoppages.

The stoppage becomes MANIFOLD. Now do you understand why the ramp proposal will not work. 45 times, grinding to a halt, and as we all should know,  it is more difficult to get the stone moving, than it is to keep it moving, ie, Newton.

By pulling the stones directly up the Pyramid face, you save on men required, as well as, the time required to reach a working level.  Using the straight method, the men could be standing on top utilizing all four sides, and/or, down at the base, where as, the spiral is a single line proposition. By working of top, you have the space, and a multitude of possibilities for moving stones up and on top. The entire project would never come to a halt, as it is multi-faceted. You only need 1/7th the men to accomplish the equivalent work, in 1/7th the amount of time. And,  that is based on the Spiral line never stopping... :)

Consider, it only required 100 men, alternately pulling the 2 stones directly up the Pyramids face. A simple track laying on the Pyramid's face, is all that was required. No building and removal of large ramps were necessary. In the illustration below, there is a two track systems, with ascending and descending platforms. There are also two depression in the ground for the platforms, making it possible, to be level with the approaching tracks. Greased tracks would dramatically reduce friction. Both platforms are connected with one or more ropes. Multiple ropes help to reduce friction and strain. As one is pulled to the top, the other descends to the bottom, acting as a counterbalance, to negate the weight of the carriage platforms.  When one platform with the two stones reaches the top, that skid is pulled off, while the other skid at the bottom is being reloaded. The illustrations below shows 100 men for two stones at once. An additional increase in production. This requires the rope(s) to make a 180 degree turn, if you want to have a counter balance. There is much debate concerning pulleys or the like. I will address that at the end of this proposal.

Note: the platform is not completely down in the depression, so you can view it.

Simple enough? The building could have been accomplished using only brute force. There are those who feel the ancients were not intelligent.

Everyone agrees they understood the usage of tracks. Continuing those tracts straight up the face of the Pyramid, is not a major leap in thinking. I personally believe they used additional components to aid in their endeavor. That could have been Water, Levers, Cranes, crude Pulleys, a capstan is a vertical-axled rotating machine developed for use on sailing ships to multiply the pulling force of seamen when hauling ropes, or other forms of time saving labor methods and equipment.  With men alone, only 1/7th were needed, and would achieve the same result, in 1/7th the amount of time. This works with dry land at the base, or with water contained within the wall, and barges carrying those stones up the Water Funicular Causeway, floating and around the base. I digress...

Only Stone Pullers? Fine, this should work for you, and may be all that was necessary. Did I convince anyone? Please chime in. I welcome your comments. If anyone what's a copy of the Sketchup file(s), I will supply. You can download Sketchup Viewer for free, which enables you to pan in and orbit, enabling different perspectives.

Oh, yes...An Egyptian Pulley?

Keep in mind, a water logged tree/palm would serve to make that 180 turn, while lubrication the rope with wet sap. The log is cheap, and easy to replace, once the ropes wear to deep. Just the same, below is evidence they used rope and made 180degree turnes.

Ref: [www.cheops-pyramide.ch] stone implements, so called bearing stones, found at Giza, that were part of an unknown device to pull or lower three parallel running ropes over an edge. Archaeologists think, that it was put into an oblique shaft or crane and used to lift or lower heavy weights. Franz Löhner, unlike some Egyptologists, doesn't think, that it could have been used in such a way. This shape of stone is not suited for a permanent heavy load. Neither stone nor the ropes could tolerate that kind of strain for long.

The above assumption, would need to be tested. What kind of stone? How long? Amount of heavy load?

Two stones were found. A pair. "This shape of stone is not suited for a permanent heavy load". OK, so they were not used for heavy loads, beyond their working capability.  Polished stone and grease reduces friction. The fact that two were found, lead me to this design possibility. You can be the judge, though here is clear evidence, they employed devices, which caused ropes to turn 180 degrees, using more than just one rope. With each additional rope the friction, and stress is cut in half.

You are viewing only 1/2 of a block and tackle system.

Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 14-Mar-20 00:33 by Steve Clayton.

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A Study in Ramps 1528 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 17:30
Re: A Study in Ramps 235 Manu 01-Mar-20 18:25
Re: A Study in Ramps 224 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 20:08
Re: A Study in Ramps 213 Manu 02-Mar-20 02:31
Re: A Study in Ramps 195 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-20 04:54
Re: A Study in Ramps 210 Warwick 01-Mar-20 19:13
Re: A Study in Ramps 198 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 20:11
Addendum 195 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 22:51
Re: Addendum 206 Manu 02-Mar-20 02:22
Re: Addendum 188 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-20 04:56
Re: Addendum 191 Manu 02-Mar-20 11:15
an observation 196 Warwick 02-Mar-20 18:26
Re: an observation 199 cladking 02-Mar-20 18:38
Re: an observation 179 Warwick 02-Mar-20 18:45
Re: an observation 183 cladking 02-Mar-20 18:52
Point of Order 180 Warwick 02-Mar-20 18:56
Re: Point of Order 171 cladking 02-Mar-20 20:17
Re: Point of Order 184 Warwick 02-Mar-20 23:37
You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 176 thinkitover 03-Mar-20 05:20
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 174 Warwick 03-Mar-20 05:40
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 170 cladking 03-Mar-20 14:08
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 164 Warwick 03-Mar-20 18:45
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 169 cladking 03-Mar-20 20:54
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 137 cladking 11-May-20 14:33
Re: an observation 169 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 17:05
Re: an observation 168 Warwick 03-Mar-20 18:56
Re: an observation 156 cladking 03-Mar-20 20:57
Re: an observation 154 Warwick 04-Mar-20 17:49
Re: an observation 161 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:58
One Last Try 166 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:04
20 % of 1.5 Million 161 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:06
I forgot 163 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:07
Re: One Last Try 163 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:18
Re: One Last Try 153 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:33
Re: One Last Try 161 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 19:33
Re: One Last Try 164 Warwick 04-Mar-20 19:48
Re: One Last Try 156 cladking 04-Mar-20 20:04
Re: One Last Try 159 Warwick 04-Mar-20 20:21
Re: One Last Try 161 cladking 04-Mar-20 20:57
Re: One Last Try 164 Warwick 04-Mar-20 21:38
Re: It's Spring 160 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 13:13
Re: One Last Try 159 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 22:45
Re: One Last Try 163 Thanos5150 05-Mar-20 16:36
Re: One Last Try 162 cladking 05-Mar-20 16:56
Re: One Last Try 157 cladking 04-Mar-20 19:57
Re: One Last Try 154 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 13:54
Re: One Last Try 161 cladking 05-Mar-20 15:00
Re: an observation 167 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 00:36
Re: Addendum 168 SandyJesse 05-Mar-20 23:11
Re: Addendum 148 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 16:01
Re: Addendum 153 SandyJesse 07-Mar-20 23:16
Re: A Study in Ramps 190 cladking 01-Mar-20 22:58
Re: A Study in Ramps 181 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-20 03:31
Re: A Study in Ramps 159 cladking 02-Mar-20 18:47
Point of Order 164 Warwick 02-Mar-20 19:00
Re: Point of Order 158 cladking 02-Mar-20 20:05
Re: Point of Order 160 Warwick 02-Mar-20 23:43
Re: Point of Order 155 cladking 03-Mar-20 02:20
Re: Point of Order 159 Warwick 03-Mar-20 04:32
Re: Point of Order 153 cladking 03-Mar-20 14:40
Re: Point of Order 150 Open mind 03-Mar-20 15:14
Re: Point of Order 157 Warwick 03-Mar-20 18:37
Re: Point of Order 152 Open mind 03-Mar-20 19:14
Re: Point of Order - O/T, sort of 156 Warwick 03-Mar-20 19:52
Re: Point of Order 178 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 00:09
Re: Point of Order 162 thinkitover 03-Mar-20 05:27
Re: Point of Order 157 cladking 03-Mar-20 14:24
Re: Point of Order 160 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 19:44
Re: Point of Order 155 cladking 03-Mar-20 20:59
Re: Point of Order 157 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 23:34
Re: Point of Order 171 cladking 04-Mar-20 01:10
Re: Point of Order 193 Thanos5150 04-Mar-20 02:03
Re: Point of Order 161 engbren 04-Mar-20 12:46
Saw Palace Context Sign is pr wr. 180 Manu 04-Mar-20 13:12
Re: Point of Order 170 cladking 04-Mar-20 14:45
Re: Point of Order 176 Manu 04-Mar-20 14:49
Re: Point of Order 166 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:18
Re: Point of Order 161 Manu 04-Mar-20 17:36
Re: Point of Order 160 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:10
Re: Point of Order 165 cladking 07-Mar-20 21:05
Re: Point of Order 155 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 19:57
Re: Point of Order 149 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:15
Re: Point of Order 149 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 18:29
Re: Point of Order 143 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:44
Re: Point of Order 179 cladking 04-Mar-20 15:44
Re: Point of Order 176 Thanos5150 04-Mar-20 16:23
Re: Point of Order 169 cladking 04-Mar-20 16:43
Re: Point of Order 154 Thanos5150 04-Mar-20 17:38
Re: Point of Order 151 Warwick 04-Mar-20 17:46
Re: Point of Order 158 cladking 04-Mar-20 20:47
Burn all the books!!! 144 Warwick 05-Mar-20 17:46
Re: Rewrite all the books!!! 167 cladking 05-Mar-20 18:02
Re: Rewrite all the books!!! 141 Warwick 05-Mar-20 18:14
...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 152 cladking 05-Mar-20 18:53
Re: ...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 146 Warwick 05-Mar-20 20:11
Re: ...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 161 cladking 05-Mar-20 21:02
Re: ...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 157 Warwick 05-Mar-20 21:42
Re: Point of Order 158 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 17:58
Re: Point of Order 152 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:48
Re: Point of Order 148 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 16:34
Re: Point of Order 159 cladking 06-Mar-20 19:31
Re: Point of Order 150 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 00:47
Re: Point of Order 148 cladking 07-Mar-20 01:24
Re: Point of Order 155 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 17:40
Re: Point of Order 139 cladking 07-Mar-20 20:52
Re: Point of Order 156 Manu 06-Mar-20 20:31
Re: Point of Order 151 cladking 06-Mar-20 20:47
ST3W 160 Manu 06-Mar-20 21:16
Re: Point of Order 151 cladking 06-Mar-20 21:18
Ra-st3w 168 Manu 06-Mar-20 21:33
Re: Ra-st3w 161 cladking 06-Mar-20 23:08
Re: Ra-st3w 165 cladking 06-Mar-20 23:23
Re: Ra-st3w 149 cladking 09-Mar-20 03:18
Re: Point of Order 147 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 01:21
Re: Point of Order 155 Manu 08-Mar-20 17:24
Re: Point of Order 143 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 19:07
Re: Point of Order 138 Warwick 08-Mar-20 19:21
Re: Point of Order 148 cladking 08-Mar-20 21:13
Re: Point of Order 135 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 22:01
Re: Point of Order 152 cladking 08-Mar-20 23:12
Re: Point of Order 136 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 15:38
Re: Point of Order 132 cladking 09-Mar-20 17:49
Re: Point of Order 129 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 20:25
Re: Point of Order 149 Warwick 09-Mar-20 20:48
Re: Point of Order 143 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 23:12
Re: Point of Order 139 Warwick 10-Mar-20 17:01
Re: Point of Order 137 Steve Clayton 10-Mar-20 20:41
Obvious to all?? 135 Warwick 11-Mar-20 17:10
after all 134 Warwick 11-Mar-20 17:14
Re: Obvious to all?? 124 cladking 11-Mar-20 18:12
Re: Obvious to all?? 154 Warwick 11-Mar-20 18:19
Khafre Causeway-Logistics before Religion? 144 Manu 08-Mar-20 19:28
think conduit 133 Warwick 08-Mar-20 19:57
further reading 131 Warwick 08-Mar-20 20:00
Re: Khafre Causeway-Logistics before Religion? 137 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 20:12
Re: Point of Order 147 cladking 08-Mar-20 14:32
Re: Point of Order 153 Manu 08-Mar-20 15:01
Re: Point of Order 143 cladking 08-Mar-20 15:44
Re: Point of Order 144 Manu 08-Mar-20 16:03
Re: Point of Order 134 cladking 08-Mar-20 23:21
Re: Point of Order 150 Thanos5150 08-Mar-20 16:05
Re: Point of Order 135 Warwick 08-Mar-20 19:28
Re: Point of Order 140 cladking 08-Mar-20 21:25
Re: Point of Order 144 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 20:49
Re: Point of Order 133 Warwick 08-Mar-20 20:59
Re: Point of Order 147 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 22:08
Re: Point of Order 141 cladking 08-Mar-20 23:16
Re: Point of Order 139 Warwick 09-Mar-20 17:39
Re: Point of Order 142 cladking 08-Mar-20 21:05
Re: Point of Order 152 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 16:44
Re: Point of Order 137 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:03
Re: Point of Order 137 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 17:40
Re: Point of Order 136 cladking 04-Mar-20 19:09
Re: Point of Order 133 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 17:03
Re: Point of Order 134 cladking 05-Mar-20 17:52
A stupid question 148 Warwick 05-Mar-20 17:55
Re: A stupid question 136 cladking 05-Mar-20 18:47
Re: A stupid question 147 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 17:49
Re: A stupid question 144 Warwick 07-Mar-20 19:14
Re: A stupid question 143 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 23:09
Re: A stupid question 129 Warwick 08-Mar-20 18:41
Re: Point of Order 153 Open mind 03-Mar-20 15:26
Re: Point of Order 141 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:07
Re: A Study in Ramps 147 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 17:29
Re: A Study in Ramps 153 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:11
Re: A Study in Ramps 139 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 18:12
Re: A Study in Ramps 164 Thanos5150 03-Mar-20 16:10
Re: A Study in Ramps 166 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 16:57
Re: A Study in Ramps 156 Warwick 03-Mar-20 19:57
Re: A Study in Ramps 155 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:21
Sam Briefly changes Feet 148 Warwick 04-Mar-20 17:27
Re: Sam Briefly changes Feet 142 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:49
Re: Sam Briefly changes Feet 143 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:12
Rollers and Rope 158 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 16:41
Re: Rollers and Rope 134 Open mind 04-Mar-20 16:53
Re: Rollers and Rope 146 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 22:22
Re: Rollers and Rope 149 Open mind 05-Mar-20 01:25
Re: Rollers and Rope 136 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 15:34
Re: Rollers and Rope 146 Open mind 05-Mar-20 16:08
Re: Rollers and Rope 142 cladking 05-Mar-20 16:32
Re: Rollers and Rope 140 Open mind 05-Mar-20 18:26
Re: Rollers and Rope 141 Open mind 05-Mar-20 18:40
Re: Rollers and Rope 141 cladking 05-Mar-20 21:13
Re: Rollers and Rope 131 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 16:14
Re: Rollers and Rope 151 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 02:11
Re: Rollers and Rope 161 cladking 06-Mar-20 15:09
Re: Rollers and Rope 141 Open mind 07-Mar-20 01:35
Re: Rollers and Rope 147 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:37
Re: Rollers and Rope 137 Open mind 04-Mar-20 19:18
Re: Rollers and Rope 151 cladking 04-Mar-20 19:30
Re: Rollers and Rope 143 Open mind 04-Mar-20 21:29
Re: Rollers and Rope 151 Warwick 04-Mar-20 21:35
Re: Rollers and Rope 141 Open mind 04-Mar-20 22:24
Re: Rollers and Rope 146 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:31
Re: Rollers and Rope 148 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:35
Re: Rollers and Rope 152 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 01:03
Re: Rollers and Rope 137 Warwick 08-Mar-20 18:46
Re: Rollers and Rope 144 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 21:34
Re: Rollers and Rope 151 Thanos5150 09-Mar-20 00:59
Re: Rollers and Rope 150 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 14:15
Re: Rollers and Rope 138 Warwick 09-Mar-20 17:53
Re: Rollers and Rope 136 Open mind 09-Mar-20 18:10
Re: Rollers and Rope 138 Warwick 09-Mar-20 18:27
Re: Rollers and Rope 143 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 01:55
Re: Rollers and Rope 146 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:23
Re: Rollers and Rope 142 Open mind 04-Mar-20 22:30
Re: Rollers and Rope 138 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:50
Re: Rollers and Rope 147 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 23:06
Re: Rollers and Rope 142 cladking 05-Mar-20 01:01
Re: Rollers and Rope 146 Open mind 05-Mar-20 01:10
Re: Rollers and Rope 144 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 00:10
Re: Rollers and Rope 145 Open mind 05-Mar-20 00:52
Re: Rollers and Rope 147 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 16:04
Re: Rollers and Rope 140 Open mind 05-Mar-20 18:13
Re: Rollers and Rope 143 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 19:10
Khufu Quarry Ramp, G1-X and T.P.'s 171 Manu 08-Mar-20 22:32
Re: Khufu Quarry Ramp, G1-X and T.P.'s 155 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 23:22
Re: A Study in Ramps 167 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-20 22:14
Re: A Study in Ramps 172 cladking 11-May-20 14:42
Re: A Study in Ramps 140 Steve Clayton 13-May-20 03:06
Re: A Study in Ramps 127 Hanslune 13-May-20 19:58
Re: A Study in Ramps 117 cladking 14-May-20 13:48
The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 115 Hanslune 14-May-20 21:22
Re: The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 107 cladking 15-May-20 14:34
Re: The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 114 Hanslune 15-May-20 15:25
Re: The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 125 cladking 15-May-20 17:46
...and he's off and running 145 Hanslune 16-May-20 17:12
Re: ...and he's off and running 113 Steve Clayton 18-May-20 18:56
Re: ...and he's off and running 107 Warwick 18-May-20 19:47
Re: ...and he's off and running 110 Steve Clayton 18-May-20 20:31
Re: ...and he's off and running 112 Hanslune 18-May-20 22:01
Re: ...and he's off and running 115 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 22:37
Re: ...and he's off and running 96 Warwick 21-May-20 17:28
Re: ...and he's off and running 116 cladking 18-May-20 20:58
Re: ...and he's off and running 111 Hanslune 18-May-20 22:16
Re: ...and he's off and running 107 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 00:06
Re: ...and he's off and running 109 Sirfiroth 21-May-20 16:56
Re: ...and he's off and running 100 Warwick 21-May-20 17:40
Re: ...and he's off and running 144 Sirfiroth 21-May-20 20:44
Re: ...and he's off and running 113 Warwick 22-May-20 02:53
Re: ...and he's off and running 128 Steve Clayton 27-May-20 23:04
Elementary 96 Warwick 28-May-20 16:56
Re: Elementary 101 cladking 28-May-20 20:36
Re: Elementary 96 Warwick 28-May-20 20:51
Walk Like an Egypt(ologist). 118 cladking 29-May-20 13:48
just saw this 96 Warwick 04-Jun-20 20:02
Re: just saw this 91 cladking 04-Jun-20 20:15
Re: Elementary 110 Steve Clayton 28-May-20 21:59
Re: Elementary 100 cladking 29-May-20 13:41
Re: Elementary 111 Steve Clayton 30-May-20 14:14
Re: Elementary 96 cladking 31-May-20 13:37
Re: Elementary 110 Steve Clayton 31-May-20 20:03
Re: Elementary 103 cladking 31-May-20 21:55
Our History is Writ in the Rainbow. 89 cladking 01-Jun-20 14:32
still avoiding the POINT 92 Warwick 01-Jun-20 18:46
Re: still avoiding the POINT 104 cladking 01-Jun-20 21:19
It was the BORG 87 Warwick 02-Jun-20 19:02
Reality Itself was Anthropomorphized 114 cladking 03-Jun-20 01:10
Re: Reality Itself was Anthropomorphized 90 Warwick 03-Jun-20 17:35
Re: Reality Itself was Anthropomorphized 101 cladking 03-Jun-20 19:11
Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 94 thinkitover 04-Jun-20 08:41
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 90 cladking 04-Jun-20 13:38
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 80 Warwick 04-Jun-20 17:28
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 90 cladking 04-Jun-20 20:37
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 88 Warwick 04-Jun-20 21:24
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 100 cladking 04-Jun-20 21:48
Re: still avoiding the POINT 106 Steve Clayton 02-Jun-20 16:37
Re: still avoiding the POINT 94 cladking 02-Jun-20 18:45
Re: still avoiding the POINT 82 Warwick 02-Jun-20 18:55
Re: still avoiding the POINT 96 Steve Clayton 02-Jun-20 20:42
Re: still avoiding the POINT 84 Warwick 02-Jun-20 21:11
Re: still avoiding the POINT 101 Steve Clayton 02-Jun-20 23:05
Doing your work for you 93 Warwick 03-Jun-20 17:56
Re: Doing your work for you 101 Steve Clayton 04-Jun-20 02:12
Re: Doing your work for you 82 Warwick 04-Jun-20 18:03
Re: Doing your work for you 100 Steve Clayton 07-Jun-20 22:14
Re: Doing your work for you 103 Warwick 08-Jun-20 19:47
Re: still avoiding the POINT 113 SandyJesse 13-Jun-20 23:15
Re: still avoiding the POINT 125 Steve Clayton 14-Jun-20 23:19
Re: still avoiding the POINT 145 SandyJesse 18-Jun-20 22:49
Help!!!! 107 Warwick 21-May-20 17:33
Good luck Steve 109 Hanslune 18-May-20 21:55
Re: A Study in Ramps 126 cladking 14-May-20 13:57
Key words run through a database isn't research Cladking 110 Hanslune 14-May-20 21:51
Re: A Study in Ramps 162 LonelyAngel 14-May-20 16:31
Re: A Study in Ramps 118 Hanslune 14-May-20 21:56
Re: A Study in Ramps 107 Steve Clayton 18-May-20 21:53
Re: A Study in Ramps 114 Hanslune 18-May-20 22:20
Re: A Study in Ramps 132 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 01:16
Re: A Study in Ramps 119 Hanslune 19-May-20 14:45
Re: A Study in Ramps 129 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 16:07
Please, leave the windmills to Sam 115 Warwick 19-May-20 18:34
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 118 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 20:05
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 107 Warwick 19-May-20 20:55
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 129 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 21:33
Your lack of evidence isn't a problem you can put on others - its yours 117 Hanslune 20-May-20 04:58
Egyptology's Cultural Context 114 cladking 20-May-20 13:53
Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 111 Hanslune 20-May-20 15:43
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 109 cladking 20-May-20 17:17
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 109 Hanslune 22-May-20 17:02
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 116 Warwick 24-May-20 18:13
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 109 cladking 24-May-20 19:18
In normal conversation... 111 Warwick 24-May-20 19:52
Re: In normal conversation... 138 cladking 25-May-20 01:06
Another final word (waste of time) 131 Warwick 25-May-20 17:52
Re: Another final word (waste of time) 98 Hanslune 26-May-20 14:59
Re: Another final word (waste of time) 121 cladking 26-May-20 15:11
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 123 Steve Clayton 30-May-20 15:27
Long Live Ramps! 93 cladking 31-May-20 14:05
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 97 Warwick 20-May-20 18:05
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 115 cladking 20-May-20 20:37
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 98 Warwick 20-May-20 21:55
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 113 cladking 21-May-20 01:01
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 103 Warwick 21-May-20 17:17
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 103 Warwick 20-May-20 18:03
REALITY CHECK 122 Warwick 20-May-20 18:02
Re: REALITY CHECK 111 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 20:28
Re: REALITY CHECK 106 Warwick 20-May-20 22:04
Re: REALITY CHECK 113 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 23:53
Re: REALITY CHECK 101 Warwick 21-May-20 17:12
My boy Luke can eat 50 eggs. n/t 111 cladking 21-May-20 01:08
Re: A Study in Ramps 119 Hanslune 20-May-20 04:53
The trouble is.. 105 Warwick 20-May-20 18:09
Re: The trouble is.. 119 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 20:15
Re: The trouble is.. 102 Warwick 20-May-20 22:16
Re: A Study in Ramps 120 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 19:13
Re: A Study in Ramps 104 Warwick 20-May-20 22:20
Re: A Study in Ramps 115 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 22:46
Re: A Study in Ramps 123 SandyJesse 21-May-20 00:08
Re: A Study in Ramps 120 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 03:19
Re: A Study in Ramps 125 SandyJesse 21-May-20 04:17
Re: A Study in Ramps 120 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 14:19
Re: A Study in Ramps 111 cladking 21-May-20 14:37
Re: A Study in Ramps 111 cladking 21-May-20 14:53
Re: A Study in Ramps 132 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 15:38
there's the windmill 115 Warwick 21-May-20 17:05
Re: there's the windmill 113 cladking 22-May-20 13:24
Re: there's the windmill 106 Warwick 25-May-20 17:39
Re: there's the windmill 100 cladking 30-May-20 14:11
Re: A Study in Ramps 118 Hanslune 22-May-20 17:39
Re: A Study in Ramps 116 SandyJesse 21-May-20 15:47
Re: A Study in Ramps 132 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 16:09
Re: A Study in Ramps 114 Warwick 21-May-20 16:46
Re: A Study in Ramps 119 Warwick 21-May-20 17:44
Re: A Study in Ramps 107 Warwick 21-May-20 16:57
Re: A Study in Ramps 104 Warwick 21-May-20 16:40
Re: A Study in Ramps 114 Warwick 21-May-20 16:39
Re: A Study in Ramps 119 Hanslune 22-May-20 17:32
Re: A Study in Ramps 196 Thanos5150 23-May-20 00:00
Re: A Study in Ramps 117 Warwick 24-May-20 18:02
Re: A Study in Ramps 120 cladking 24-May-20 19:22
I've got an idea 108 Warwick 24-May-20 19:47
Re: I've got an idea 115 cladking 24-May-20 19:59
Re: I've got an idea 105 Warwick 25-May-20 17:30

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