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There were likely, never any ramps running inside or outside on the faces of the Pyramids. They would be unproductive, labor intensive, and unnecessary in the construction of the Pyramid.
  


According to Franz Löhner, and his associates, you only need 50 men (per average size stone) to lift and pull it up the 51.5 degree face. His research was extensive.
[www.cheops-pyramide.ch]

Here I will add a few additional insights, and facts.

The distance using a spiral ramp system, inside or out, wrapping around the Pyramid would equal approximately 83% of a mile (4,380.89ft.) and/or (1.335k) kilometers. (One mile = 5280ft. or 1.6k) The face of this Pyramid, in surface length, is approximately 612 ft. or .186 kilometers, from bottom to top. 4,380 spiral footage length, div. by 612 ft. face surface length = 7.158. The face length is 14% of the spiral ramp theory. Basically, a little more than 7... (7.143) times as short in distance. This is based on a 5.7 grade degree angle, as proposed by the ramp Spiral enthusiast's.

For fact checkers, here are the measurements of the 22 spiral angle's ascending to the top. I use Sketchup in 3D, (to size) for my results. Those 22 angles measure:  689.03', 591.93',508.49',436.81', 374.72', 321.13', 257.86', 236.98', 192.23', 142.73', 122.61', 105.33', 90.48', 77.72', 57.03', 47.98', 37.88', 24.09', 20.69', 17.78', 15.27', & 13.12'.

The Pyramid face = 51.3 degrees, which is 9 times the spiral angle of 5.7 degrees. In that spiral proposal they use 8 men to transverse upwards. 8 men X 9 ( difference in angle) = 72 men.   Franz Löhner calculated only 50 men need to perform one single pull.  Additionally, with the ramp concept, if one group stops for any reason, the entire production line would likely grind to a halt.
 
As there are 22 corners to reach the top, the line grinds to a stop 22 times, lifting and turning each stone, at each end. They are on a time schedule. It's not because they consume 2-5 minutes in this realignment that causes an issue, it's because... this is happening all the time, all at different time intervals. The higher the build, the more frequent the entire line needs to stop, as the tunnels become shorter and shorter, and those ends approach faster and faster. Those on the last run, (short distance) would be stopping those on the first run, (long distance) time and time again. The last turn which happens in 15.27 feet, would be stopping all the men on the first run, 45 times, as they wait for the last 90 degree turn of each stone. Actually, it is worse than that, due to all the variable stoppages.

The stoppage becomes MANIFOLD. Now do you understand why the ramp proposal will not work. 45 times, grinding to a halt, and as we all should know,  it is more difficult to get the stone moving, than it is to keep it moving, ie, Newton.

By pulling the stones directly up the Pyramid face, you save on men required, as well as, the time required to reach a working level.  Using the straight method, the men could be standing on top utilizing all four sides, and/or, down at the base, where as, the spiral is a single line proposition. By working of top, you have the space, and a multitude of possibilities for moving stones up and on top. The entire project would never come to a halt, as it is multi-faceted. You only need 1/7th the men to accomplish the equivalent work, in 1/7th the amount of time. And,  that is based on the Spiral line never stopping... :)

Consider, it only required 100 men, alternately pulling the 2 stones directly up the Pyramids face. A simple track laying on the Pyramid's face, is all that was required. No building and removal of large ramps were necessary. In the illustration below, there is a two track systems, with ascending and descending platforms. There are also two depression in the ground for the platforms, making it possible, to be level with the approaching tracks. Greased tracks would dramatically reduce friction. Both platforms are connected with one or more ropes. Multiple ropes help to reduce friction and strain. As one is pulled to the top, the other descends to the bottom, acting as a counterbalance, to negate the weight of the carriage platforms.  When one platform with the two stones reaches the top, that skid is pulled off, while the other skid at the bottom is being reloaded. The illustrations below shows 100 men for two stones at once. An additional increase in production. This requires the rope(s) to make a 180 degree turn, if you want to have a counter balance. There is much debate concerning pulleys or the like. I will address that at the end of this proposal.







Note: the platform is not completely down in the depression, so you can view it.

Simple enough? The building could have been accomplished using only brute force. There are those who feel the ancients were not intelligent.

Everyone agrees they understood the usage of tracks. Continuing those tracts straight up the face of the Pyramid, is not a major leap in thinking. I personally believe they used additional components to aid in their endeavor. That could have been Water, Levers, Cranes, crude Pulleys, a capstan is a vertical-axled rotating machine developed for use on sailing ships to multiply the pulling force of seamen when hauling ropes, or other forms of time saving labor methods and equipment.  With men alone, only 1/7th were needed, and would achieve the same result, in 1/7th the amount of time. This works with dry land at the base, or with water contained within the wall, and barges carrying those stones up the Water Funicular Causeway, floating and around the base. I digress...

Only Stone Pullers? Fine, this should work for you, and may be all that was necessary. Did I convince anyone? Please chime in. I welcome your comments. If anyone what's a copy of the Sketchup file(s), I will supply. You can download Sketchup Viewer for free, which enables you to pan in and orbit, enabling different perspectives.

Oh, yes...An Egyptian Pulley?

Keep in mind, a water logged tree/palm would serve to make that 180 turn, while lubrication the rope with wet sap. The log is cheap, and easy to replace, once the ropes wear to deep. Just the same, below is evidence they used rope and made 180degree turnes.

Ref: [www.cheops-pyramide.ch] stone implements, so called bearing stones, found at Giza, that were part of an unknown device to pull or lower three parallel running ropes over an edge. Archaeologists think, that it was put into an oblique shaft or crane and used to lift or lower heavy weights. Franz Löhner, unlike some Egyptologists, doesn't think, that it could have been used in such a way. This shape of stone is not suited for a permanent heavy load. Neither stone nor the ropes could tolerate that kind of strain for long.

The above assumption, would need to be tested. What kind of stone? How long? Amount of heavy load?

Two stones were found. A pair. "This shape of stone is not suited for a permanent heavy load". OK, so they were not used for heavy loads, beyond their working capability.  Polished stone and grease reduces friction. The fact that two were found, lead me to this design possibility. You can be the judge, though here is clear evidence, they employed devices, which caused ropes to turn 180 degrees, using more than just one rope. With each additional rope the friction, and stress is cut in half. 

You are viewing only 1/2 of a block and tackle system. 




Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 14-Mar-20 00:33 by Steve Clayton.

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A Study in Ramps 1439 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 17:30
Re: A Study in Ramps 217 Manu 01-Mar-20 18:25
Re: A Study in Ramps 205 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 20:08
Re: A Study in Ramps 196 Manu 02-Mar-20 02:31
Re: A Study in Ramps 177 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-20 04:54
Re: A Study in Ramps 194 Warwick 01-Mar-20 19:13
Re: A Study in Ramps 177 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 20:11
Addendum 176 Steve Clayton 01-Mar-20 22:51
Re: Addendum 184 Manu 02-Mar-20 02:22
Re: Addendum 169 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-20 04:56
Re: Addendum 170 Manu 02-Mar-20 11:15
an observation 179 Warwick 02-Mar-20 18:26
Re: an observation 179 cladking 02-Mar-20 18:38
Re: an observation 161 Warwick 02-Mar-20 18:45
Re: an observation 164 cladking 02-Mar-20 18:52
Point of Order 162 Warwick 02-Mar-20 18:56
Re: Point of Order 150 cladking 02-Mar-20 20:17
Re: Point of Order 163 Warwick 02-Mar-20 23:37
You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 157 thinkitover 03-Mar-20 05:20
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 156 Warwick 03-Mar-20 05:40
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 150 cladking 03-Mar-20 14:08
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 146 Warwick 03-Mar-20 18:45
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 152 cladking 03-Mar-20 20:54
Re: You Meant "Superstitious Idiots" As A Complement? 120 cladking 11-May-20 14:33
Re: an observation 150 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 17:05
Re: an observation 146 Warwick 03-Mar-20 18:56
Re: an observation 137 cladking 03-Mar-20 20:57
Re: an observation 138 Warwick 04-Mar-20 17:49
Re: an observation 142 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:58
One Last Try 149 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:04
20 % of 1.5 Million 143 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:06
I forgot 145 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:07
Re: One Last Try 145 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:18
Re: One Last Try 140 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:33
Re: One Last Try 143 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 19:33
Re: One Last Try 143 Warwick 04-Mar-20 19:48
Re: One Last Try 141 cladking 04-Mar-20 20:04
Re: One Last Try 142 Warwick 04-Mar-20 20:21
Re: One Last Try 141 cladking 04-Mar-20 20:57
Re: One Last Try 144 Warwick 04-Mar-20 21:38
Re: It's Spring 141 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 13:13
Re: One Last Try 143 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 22:45
Re: One Last Try 144 Thanos5150 05-Mar-20 16:36
Re: One Last Try 141 cladking 05-Mar-20 16:56
Re: One Last Try 134 cladking 04-Mar-20 19:57
Re: One Last Try 133 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 13:54
Re: One Last Try 139 cladking 05-Mar-20 15:00
Re: an observation 150 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 00:36
Re: Addendum 150 SandyJesse 05-Mar-20 23:11
Re: Addendum 129 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 16:01
Re: Addendum 135 SandyJesse 07-Mar-20 23:16
Re: A Study in Ramps 171 cladking 01-Mar-20 22:58
Re: A Study in Ramps 162 Steve Clayton 02-Mar-20 03:31
Re: A Study in Ramps 140 cladking 02-Mar-20 18:47
Point of Order 145 Warwick 02-Mar-20 19:00
Re: Point of Order 138 cladking 02-Mar-20 20:05
Re: Point of Order 139 Warwick 02-Mar-20 23:43
Re: Point of Order 138 cladking 03-Mar-20 02:20
Re: Point of Order 139 Warwick 03-Mar-20 04:32
Re: Point of Order 137 cladking 03-Mar-20 14:40
Re: Point of Order 132 Open mind 03-Mar-20 15:14
Re: Point of Order 138 Warwick 03-Mar-20 18:37
Re: Point of Order 136 Open mind 03-Mar-20 19:14
Re: Point of Order - O/T, sort of 138 Warwick 03-Mar-20 19:52
Re: Point of Order 158 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 00:09
Re: Point of Order 145 thinkitover 03-Mar-20 05:27
Re: Point of Order 138 cladking 03-Mar-20 14:24
Re: Point of Order 141 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 19:44
Re: Point of Order 136 cladking 03-Mar-20 20:59
Re: Point of Order 138 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 23:34
Re: Point of Order 150 cladking 04-Mar-20 01:10
Re: Point of Order 174 Thanos5150 04-Mar-20 02:03
Re: Point of Order 143 engbren 04-Mar-20 12:46
Saw Palace Context Sign is pr wr. 160 Manu 04-Mar-20 13:12
Re: Point of Order 149 cladking 04-Mar-20 14:45
Re: Point of Order 155 Manu 04-Mar-20 14:49
Re: Point of Order 145 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:18
Re: Point of Order 139 Manu 04-Mar-20 17:36
Re: Point of Order 140 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:10
Re: Point of Order 142 cladking 07-Mar-20 21:05
Re: Point of Order 135 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 19:57
Re: Point of Order 131 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:15
Re: Point of Order 131 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 18:29
Re: Point of Order 128 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:44
Re: Point of Order 162 cladking 04-Mar-20 15:44
Re: Point of Order 152 Thanos5150 04-Mar-20 16:23
Re: Point of Order 147 cladking 04-Mar-20 16:43
Re: Point of Order 136 Thanos5150 04-Mar-20 17:38
Re: Point of Order 135 Warwick 04-Mar-20 17:46
Re: Point of Order 141 cladking 04-Mar-20 20:47
Burn all the books!!! 127 Warwick 05-Mar-20 17:46
Re: Rewrite all the books!!! 149 cladking 05-Mar-20 18:02
Re: Rewrite all the books!!! 127 Warwick 05-Mar-20 18:14
...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 134 cladking 05-Mar-20 18:53
Re: ...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 127 Warwick 05-Mar-20 20:11
Re: ...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 139 cladking 05-Mar-20 21:02
Re: ...Then We might as well just Chuck the Books. 139 Warwick 05-Mar-20 21:42
Re: Point of Order 139 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 17:58
Re: Point of Order 133 cladking 04-Mar-20 18:48
Re: Point of Order 130 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 16:34
Re: Point of Order 133 cladking 06-Mar-20 19:31
Re: Point of Order 132 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 00:47
Re: Point of Order 127 cladking 07-Mar-20 01:24
Re: Point of Order 136 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 17:40
Re: Point of Order 123 cladking 07-Mar-20 20:52
Re: Point of Order 137 Manu 06-Mar-20 20:31
Re: Point of Order 130 cladking 06-Mar-20 20:47
ST3W 137 Manu 06-Mar-20 21:16
Re: Point of Order 130 cladking 06-Mar-20 21:18
Ra-st3w 149 Manu 06-Mar-20 21:33
Re: Ra-st3w 141 cladking 06-Mar-20 23:08
Re: Ra-st3w 145 cladking 06-Mar-20 23:23
Re: Ra-st3w 131 cladking 09-Mar-20 03:18
Re: Point of Order 131 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 01:21
Re: Point of Order 137 Manu 08-Mar-20 17:24
Re: Point of Order 123 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 19:07
Re: Point of Order 121 Warwick 08-Mar-20 19:21
Re: Point of Order 127 cladking 08-Mar-20 21:13
Re: Point of Order 117 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 22:01
Re: Point of Order 135 cladking 08-Mar-20 23:12
Re: Point of Order 119 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 15:38
Re: Point of Order 115 cladking 09-Mar-20 17:49
Re: Point of Order 113 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 20:25
Re: Point of Order 131 Warwick 09-Mar-20 20:48
Re: Point of Order 126 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 23:12
Re: Point of Order 121 Warwick 10-Mar-20 17:01
Re: Point of Order 122 Steve Clayton 10-Mar-20 20:41
Obvious to all?? 119 Warwick 11-Mar-20 17:10
after all 118 Warwick 11-Mar-20 17:14
Re: Obvious to all?? 109 cladking 11-Mar-20 18:12
Re: Obvious to all?? 136 Warwick 11-Mar-20 18:19
Khafre Causeway-Logistics before Religion? 126 Manu 08-Mar-20 19:28
think conduit 115 Warwick 08-Mar-20 19:57
further reading 116 Warwick 08-Mar-20 20:00
Re: Khafre Causeway-Logistics before Religion? 118 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 20:12
Re: Point of Order 124 cladking 08-Mar-20 14:32
Re: Point of Order 135 Manu 08-Mar-20 15:01
Re: Point of Order 122 cladking 08-Mar-20 15:44
Re: Point of Order 129 Manu 08-Mar-20 16:03
Re: Point of Order 118 cladking 08-Mar-20 23:21
Re: Point of Order 134 Thanos5150 08-Mar-20 16:05
Re: Point of Order 119 Warwick 08-Mar-20 19:28
Re: Point of Order 122 cladking 08-Mar-20 21:25
Re: Point of Order 123 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 20:49
Re: Point of Order 115 Warwick 08-Mar-20 20:59
Re: Point of Order 126 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 22:08
Re: Point of Order 120 cladking 08-Mar-20 23:16
Re: Point of Order 123 Warwick 09-Mar-20 17:39
Re: Point of Order 122 cladking 08-Mar-20 21:05
Re: Point of Order 135 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 16:44
Re: Point of Order 120 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:03
Re: Point of Order 116 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 17:40
Re: Point of Order 119 cladking 04-Mar-20 19:09
Re: Point of Order 118 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 17:03
Re: Point of Order 117 cladking 05-Mar-20 17:52
A stupid question 132 Warwick 05-Mar-20 17:55
Re: A stupid question 119 cladking 05-Mar-20 18:47
Re: A stupid question 131 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 17:49
Re: A stupid question 124 Warwick 07-Mar-20 19:14
Re: A stupid question 123 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 23:09
Re: A stupid question 113 Warwick 08-Mar-20 18:41
Re: Point of Order 131 Open mind 03-Mar-20 15:26
Re: Point of Order 125 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:07
Re: A Study in Ramps 130 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 17:29
Re: A Study in Ramps 130 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:11
Re: A Study in Ramps 120 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-20 18:12
Re: A Study in Ramps 149 Thanos5150 03-Mar-20 16:10
Re: A Study in Ramps 144 Steve Clayton 03-Mar-20 16:57
Re: A Study in Ramps 138 Warwick 03-Mar-20 19:57
Re: A Study in Ramps 138 cladking 03-Mar-20 21:21
Sam Briefly changes Feet 127 Warwick 04-Mar-20 17:27
Re: Sam Briefly changes Feet 122 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:49
Re: Sam Briefly changes Feet 126 Warwick 04-Mar-20 18:12
Rollers and Rope 141 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 16:41
Re: Rollers and Rope 118 Open mind 04-Mar-20 16:53
Re: Rollers and Rope 126 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 22:22
Re: Rollers and Rope 129 Open mind 05-Mar-20 01:25
Re: Rollers and Rope 121 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 15:34
Re: Rollers and Rope 127 Open mind 05-Mar-20 16:08
Re: Rollers and Rope 123 cladking 05-Mar-20 16:32
Re: Rollers and Rope 120 Open mind 05-Mar-20 18:26
Re: Rollers and Rope 125 Open mind 05-Mar-20 18:40
Re: Rollers and Rope 125 cladking 05-Mar-20 21:13
Re: Rollers and Rope 111 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 16:14
Re: Rollers and Rope 138 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-20 02:11
Re: Rollers and Rope 145 cladking 06-Mar-20 15:09
Re: Rollers and Rope 125 Open mind 07-Mar-20 01:35
Re: Rollers and Rope 128 cladking 04-Mar-20 17:37
Re: Rollers and Rope 123 Open mind 04-Mar-20 19:18
Re: Rollers and Rope 132 cladking 04-Mar-20 19:30
Re: Rollers and Rope 124 Open mind 04-Mar-20 21:29
Re: Rollers and Rope 133 Warwick 04-Mar-20 21:35
Re: Rollers and Rope 120 Open mind 04-Mar-20 22:24
Re: Rollers and Rope 126 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:31
Re: Rollers and Rope 129 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:35
Re: Rollers and Rope 136 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 01:03
Re: Rollers and Rope 122 Warwick 08-Mar-20 18:46
Re: Rollers and Rope 126 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 21:34
Re: Rollers and Rope 136 Thanos5150 09-Mar-20 00:59
Re: Rollers and Rope 135 Steve Clayton 09-Mar-20 14:15
Re: Rollers and Rope 121 Warwick 09-Mar-20 17:53
Re: Rollers and Rope 120 Open mind 09-Mar-20 18:10
Re: Rollers and Rope 122 Warwick 09-Mar-20 18:27
Re: Rollers and Rope 126 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 01:55
Re: Rollers and Rope 127 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:23
Re: Rollers and Rope 125 Open mind 04-Mar-20 22:30
Re: Rollers and Rope 122 cladking 04-Mar-20 22:50
Re: Rollers and Rope 130 Steve Clayton 04-Mar-20 23:06
Re: Rollers and Rope 125 cladking 05-Mar-20 01:01
Re: Rollers and Rope 126 Open mind 05-Mar-20 01:10
Re: Rollers and Rope 127 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 00:10
Re: Rollers and Rope 126 Open mind 05-Mar-20 00:52
Re: Rollers and Rope 128 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 16:04
Re: Rollers and Rope 124 Open mind 05-Mar-20 18:13
Re: Rollers and Rope 126 Steve Clayton 05-Mar-20 19:10
Khufu Quarry Ramp, G1-X and T.P.'s 153 Manu 08-Mar-20 22:32
Re: Khufu Quarry Ramp, G1-X and T.P.'s 130 Steve Clayton 08-Mar-20 23:22
Re: A Study in Ramps 149 Steve Clayton 04-Apr-20 22:14
Re: A Study in Ramps 148 cladking 11-May-20 14:42
Re: A Study in Ramps 119 Steve Clayton 13-May-20 03:06
Re: A Study in Ramps 107 Hanslune 13-May-20 19:58
Re: A Study in Ramps 100 cladking 14-May-20 13:48
The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 97 Hanslune 14-May-20 21:22
Re: The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 94 cladking 15-May-20 14:34
Re: The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 98 Hanslune 15-May-20 15:25
Re: The reason you always refused to provide drawings of your ideas 106 cladking 15-May-20 17:46
...and he's off and running 124 Hanslune 16-May-20 17:12
Re: ...and he's off and running 99 Steve Clayton 18-May-20 18:56
Re: ...and he's off and running 91 Warwick 18-May-20 19:47
Re: ...and he's off and running 94 Steve Clayton 18-May-20 20:31
Re: ...and he's off and running 95 Hanslune 18-May-20 22:01
Re: ...and he's off and running 95 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 22:37
Re: ...and he's off and running 80 Warwick 21-May-20 17:28
Re: ...and he's off and running 99 cladking 18-May-20 20:58
Re: ...and he's off and running 92 Hanslune 18-May-20 22:16
Re: ...and he's off and running 91 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 00:06
Re: ...and he's off and running 93 Sirfiroth 21-May-20 16:56
Re: ...and he's off and running 85 Warwick 21-May-20 17:40
Re: ...and he's off and running 124 Sirfiroth 21-May-20 20:44
Re: ...and he's off and running 96 Warwick 22-May-20 02:53
Re: ...and he's off and running 110 Steve Clayton 27-May-20 23:04
Elementary 80 Warwick 28-May-20 16:56
Re: Elementary 84 cladking 28-May-20 20:36
Re: Elementary 83 Warwick 28-May-20 20:51
Walk Like an Egypt(ologist). 103 cladking 29-May-20 13:48
just saw this 74 Warwick 04-Jun-20 20:02
Re: just saw this 72 cladking 04-Jun-20 20:15
Re: Elementary 93 Steve Clayton 28-May-20 21:59
Re: Elementary 84 cladking 29-May-20 13:41
Re: Elementary 94 Steve Clayton 30-May-20 14:14
Re: Elementary 79 cladking 31-May-20 13:37
Re: Elementary 92 Steve Clayton 31-May-20 20:03
Re: Elementary 87 cladking 31-May-20 21:55
Our History is Writ in the Rainbow. 76 cladking 01-Jun-20 14:32
still avoiding the POINT 79 Warwick 01-Jun-20 18:46
Re: still avoiding the POINT 89 cladking 01-Jun-20 21:19
It was the BORG 71 Warwick 02-Jun-20 19:02
Reality Itself was Anthropomorphized 94 cladking 03-Jun-20 01:10
Re: Reality Itself was Anthropomorphized 74 Warwick 03-Jun-20 17:35
Re: Reality Itself was Anthropomorphized 85 cladking 03-Jun-20 19:11
Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 77 thinkitover 04-Jun-20 08:41
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 74 cladking 04-Jun-20 13:38
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 67 Warwick 04-Jun-20 17:28
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 76 cladking 04-Jun-20 20:37
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 71 Warwick 04-Jun-20 21:24
Re: Can We Get Back to Chasing Rainbows? :-) 81 cladking 04-Jun-20 21:48
Re: still avoiding the POINT 88 Steve Clayton 02-Jun-20 16:37
Re: still avoiding the POINT 75 cladking 02-Jun-20 18:45
Re: still avoiding the POINT 69 Warwick 02-Jun-20 18:55
Re: still avoiding the POINT 78 Steve Clayton 02-Jun-20 20:42
Re: still avoiding the POINT 72 Warwick 02-Jun-20 21:11
Re: still avoiding the POINT 85 Steve Clayton 02-Jun-20 23:05
Doing your work for you 76 Warwick 03-Jun-20 17:56
Re: Doing your work for you 84 Steve Clayton 04-Jun-20 02:12
Re: Doing your work for you 69 Warwick 04-Jun-20 18:03
Re: Doing your work for you 86 Steve Clayton 07-Jun-20 22:14
Re: Doing your work for you 84 Warwick 08-Jun-20 19:47
Re: still avoiding the POINT 92 SandyJesse 13-Jun-20 23:15
Re: still avoiding the POINT 106 Steve Clayton 14-Jun-20 23:19
Re: still avoiding the POINT 118 SandyJesse 18-Jun-20 22:49
Help!!!! 93 Warwick 21-May-20 17:33
Good luck Steve 94 Hanslune 18-May-20 21:55
Re: A Study in Ramps 106 cladking 14-May-20 13:57
Key words run through a database isn't research Cladking 93 Hanslune 14-May-20 21:51
Re: A Study in Ramps 128 LonelyAngel 14-May-20 16:31
Re: A Study in Ramps 103 Hanslune 14-May-20 21:56
Re: A Study in Ramps 91 Steve Clayton 18-May-20 21:53
Re: A Study in Ramps 97 Hanslune 18-May-20 22:20
Re: A Study in Ramps 112 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 01:16
Re: A Study in Ramps 102 Hanslune 19-May-20 14:45
Re: A Study in Ramps 110 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 16:07
Please, leave the windmills to Sam 99 Warwick 19-May-20 18:34
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 103 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 20:05
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 89 Warwick 19-May-20 20:55
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 111 Steve Clayton 19-May-20 21:33
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 95 cladking 20-May-20 02:47
Your lack of evidence isn't a problem you can put on others - its yours 97 Hanslune 20-May-20 04:58
Egyptology's Cultural Context 97 cladking 20-May-20 13:53
Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 94 Hanslune 20-May-20 15:43
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 90 cladking 20-May-20 17:17
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 92 Hanslune 22-May-20 17:02
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 97 Warwick 24-May-20 18:13
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 93 cladking 24-May-20 19:18
In normal conversation... 94 Warwick 24-May-20 19:52
Re: In normal conversation... 119 cladking 25-May-20 01:06
Another final word (waste of time) 115 Warwick 25-May-20 17:52
Re: Another final word (waste of time) 80 Hanslune 26-May-20 14:59
Re: Another final word (waste of time) 102 cladking 26-May-20 15:11
Re: Ramp theory vs Geyser powered Funicular idea 105 Steve Clayton 30-May-20 15:27
Long Live Ramps! 79 cladking 31-May-20 14:05
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 81 Warwick 20-May-20 18:05
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 99 cladking 20-May-20 20:37
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 83 Warwick 20-May-20 21:55
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 98 cladking 21-May-20 01:01
Re: Egyptology's Cultural Context 87 Warwick 21-May-20 17:17
Re: Please, leave the windmills to Sam 84 Warwick 20-May-20 18:03
REALITY CHECK 106 Warwick 20-May-20 18:02
Re: REALITY CHECK 93 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 20:28
Re: REALITY CHECK 89 Warwick 20-May-20 22:04
Re: REALITY CHECK 93 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 23:53
Re: REALITY CHECK 85 Warwick 21-May-20 17:12
My boy Luke can eat 50 eggs. n/t 90 cladking 21-May-20 01:08
Re: A Study in Ramps 100 Hanslune 20-May-20 04:53
The trouble is.. 89 Warwick 20-May-20 18:09
Re: The trouble is.. 101 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 20:15
Re: The trouble is.. 87 Warwick 20-May-20 22:16
Re: A Study in Ramps 103 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 19:13
Re: A Study in Ramps 88 Warwick 20-May-20 22:20
Re: A Study in Ramps 100 Steve Clayton 20-May-20 22:46
Re: A Study in Ramps 102 SandyJesse 21-May-20 00:08
Re: A Study in Ramps 101 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 03:19
Re: A Study in Ramps 104 SandyJesse 21-May-20 04:17
Re: A Study in Ramps 101 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 14:19
Re: A Study in Ramps 97 cladking 21-May-20 14:37
Re: A Study in Ramps 95 cladking 21-May-20 14:53
Re: A Study in Ramps 115 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 15:38
there's the windmill 98 Warwick 21-May-20 17:05
Re: there's the windmill 99 cladking 22-May-20 13:24
Re: there's the windmill 88 Warwick 25-May-20 17:39
Re: there's the windmill 82 cladking 30-May-20 14:11
Re: A Study in Ramps 100 Hanslune 22-May-20 17:39
Re: A Study in Ramps 99 SandyJesse 21-May-20 15:47
Re: A Study in Ramps 113 Steve Clayton 21-May-20 16:09
Re: A Study in Ramps 96 Warwick 21-May-20 16:46
Re: A Study in Ramps 99 Warwick 21-May-20 17:44
Re: A Study in Ramps 90 Warwick 21-May-20 16:57
Re: A Study in Ramps 86 Warwick 21-May-20 16:40
Re: A Study in Ramps 95 Warwick 21-May-20 16:39
Re: A Study in Ramps 101 Hanslune 22-May-20 17:32
Re: A Study in Ramps 163 Thanos5150 23-May-20 00:00
Re: A Study in Ramps 100 Warwick 24-May-20 18:02
Re: A Study in Ramps 101 cladking 24-May-20 19:22
I've got an idea 92 Warwick 24-May-20 19:47
Re: I've got an idea 96 cladking 24-May-20 19:59
Re: I've got an idea 88 Warwick 25-May-20 17:30


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