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thinkitover Wrote:
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> I think cladking sounds like he's doing the
> "Dragons of Eden" thing that Carl Sagan taught us,
> sort of a conceit among atheist scientists that
> science saved them from superstition when of
> course we can find scientists who belong to faiths
> or sects or cults.

OK, I had to look that up;

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In the introduction Sagan presents his thesis – that "the mind ... [is] a consequence of its anatomy and physiology and nothing more" –
-wiki

Yes. Homo Sapiens were exactly and only a product of the anatomy of the brain and the 40,000 years of knowledge that was gained by the association of people trying to understand their external reality. This knowledge accumulated in language and was added to the way each brain operated. As more was learned everyone capable of learning it adapted his language toi reflect that learning.

But it's different now. We build models of our beliefs and use a symbolic and deconstructible language to think and communicate. Our "mind" isn't a reflection of the anatomy but a reflection of our beliefs formatted in a new language. We must "think" this way because language programs the brain. If we must compare sensory input to belief and deconstructable words to think then the anatomy of the brain (which is digital) is no longer congruent with our thought and language which are both analog. We still have parts of the brain operating digitally but these are parts (like the amygdala) with which we lack direct contact. We don't sense things like the medulla and communication is in only one direction even though the medulla probably communicates with the rest of the body.

The brain is infinitely adaptable and humans experienced the mother of all change 4000 years ago. Sagan's thinking is interesting here but I believe it misses the mark.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 788 Thanos5150 04-Jan-20 17:22
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 191 cladking 04-Jan-20 19:37
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 150 thinkitover 04-Jan-20 23:49
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 137 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 00:46
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 151 cladking 05-Jan-20 02:39
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 120 Warwick 06-Jan-20 20:55
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 118 Warwick 06-Jan-20 21:16
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 101 cladking 06-Jan-20 22:45
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 107 Warwick 07-Jan-20 18:30
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 93 cladking 07-Jan-20 20:10
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 112 cladking 06-Jan-20 22:49
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 95 Warwick 07-Jan-20 18:24
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 105 cladking 07-Jan-20 20:33
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 93 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 18:37
Snap! :) 92 Warwick 08-Jan-20 18:47
Re: Snap! :) 94 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:02
Re: Snap! :) 93 Warwick 08-Jan-20 19:14
Re: Snap! :) 105 cladking 08-Jan-20 19:56
Re: Snap! :) 84 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:23
Re: Snap! :) 83 cladking 08-Jan-20 21:38
Re: Snap! :) 87 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:06
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 90 cladking 08-Jan-20 19:50
Stop avoiding the questions Cladking 98 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:37
Oops made a mistake on the number of words for English 75 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:24
Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 96 thinkitover 15-Jan-20 06:12
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 82 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 07:00
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 75 cladking 15-Jan-20 14:38
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 80 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 16:25
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 78 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:38
...and Cladking runs off 71 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 17:52
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 84 Corpuscles 16-Jan-20 08:03
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 121 cladking 16-Jan-20 14:27
Get Comfortable. 95 cladking 16-Jan-20 14:50
It's simple all right 83 Warwick 16-Jan-20 20:32
Hieroglyphs have never been translated but I make my own translations from those same fake translations?????? 77 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:56
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 68 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:54
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 79 Warwick 16-Jan-20 20:27
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 71 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:01
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 84 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:56
making up dates 80 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 18:15
Re: making up dates 78 cladking 15-Jan-20 18:52
Re: making up dates 88 Warwick 15-Jan-20 19:05
Re: making up dates 74 cladking 15-Jan-20 19:22
Re: making up dates 73 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:25
Re: making up dates 70 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:22
How to demonstrate that your ideas are based on stuff you made up - by Cladking 69 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:20
So ancient goofy language is all the same? 69 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:05
What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 91 thinkitover 09-Jan-20 01:33
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 89 cladking 09-Jan-20 02:07
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 97 cladking 09-Jan-20 02:16
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 80 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:46
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 91 Warwick 08-Jan-20 18:45
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 86 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:09
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 99 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:14
Cladking avoiding the questions that destroys his assumptions 90 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:27
so, not just Egyptologists but, 92 Warwick 14-Jan-20 19:23
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 85 cladking 14-Jan-20 20:26
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 87 Warwick 14-Jan-20 20:32
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 94 cladking 14-Jan-20 21:02
Projection 81 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:17
Re: Projection 70 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:51
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 78 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:52
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 85 cladking 15-Jan-20 14:49
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 72 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 16:33
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 69 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:17
No Gods means belief 72 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 17:59
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 82 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:34
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 86 cladking 15-Jan-20 19:36
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 80 Warwick 15-Jan-20 19:57
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 97 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:07
It's a common fault 85 Warwick 18-Jan-20 21:01
Re: It's a common fault 94 Hanslune 19-Jan-20 00:12
Re: It's a common fault 82 cladking 20-Jan-20 03:14
Re: It's a common fault 72 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 03:42
Re: It's a common fault 93 Corpuscles 20-Jan-20 03:59
Re: It's a common fault 73 Sirfiroth 20-Jan-20 17:01
Re: It's a common fault 72 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 17:37
Re: It's a common fault 73 Warwick 20-Jan-20 17:21
Re: It's a common fault 72 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 17:30
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 80 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:55
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 88 cladking 08-Jan-20 22:04
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 84 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:10
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 76 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:25
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 87 cladking 08-Jan-20 21:44
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 82 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:01
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 101 cladking 08-Jan-20 23:22
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 91 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:26
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 92 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:48
Are you kidding us or what? 100 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:50
Re: Are you kidding us or what? 91 cladking 09-Jan-20 20:26
We know who we are talking too 102 Hanslune 09-Jan-20 20:42
Re: Are you kidding us or what? 86 Hanslune 09-Jan-20 20:36
sorry for the delay 92 Warwick 14-Jan-20 19:16
Re: sorry for the delay 92 cladking 14-Jan-20 21:11
Sorry you are off topic 83 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 06:02
Re: sorry for the delay 80 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:28
Re: sorry for the delay 71 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:24
Re: sorry for the delay 78 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:59
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 93 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:06
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 108 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:16
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 95 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:24
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 109 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 03:29
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 128 Thanos5150 09-Jan-20 04:26
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 121 seasmith 09-Jan-20 05:43
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 126 Warwick 20-Jan-20 19:22


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