Mysteries :  The Official GrahamHancock.com forums
For serious discussion of the controversies, approaches and enigmas surrounding the origins and development of the human species and of human civilization. (NB: for more ‘out there’ posts we point you in the direction of the ‘Paranormal & Supernatural’ Message Board). 
Welcome! Log InRegister
thinkitover Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> I think cladking sounds like he's doing the
> "Dragons of Eden" thing that Carl Sagan taught us,
> sort of a conceit among atheist scientists that
> science saved them from superstition when of
> course we can find scientists who belong to faiths
> or sects or cults.

OK, I had to look that up;

Quote

In the introduction Sagan presents his thesis – that "the mind ... [is] a consequence of its anatomy and physiology and nothing more" –
-wiki

Yes. Homo Sapiens were exactly and only a product of the anatomy of the brain and the 40,000 years of knowledge that was gained by the association of people trying to understand their external reality. This knowledge accumulated in language and was added to the way each brain operated. As more was learned everyone capable of learning it adapted his language toi reflect that learning.

But it's different now. We build models of our beliefs and use a symbolic and deconstructible language to think and communicate. Our "mind" isn't a reflection of the anatomy but a reflection of our beliefs formatted in a new language. We must "think" this way because language programs the brain. If we must compare sensory input to belief and deconstructable words to think then the anatomy of the brain (which is digital) is no longer congruent with our thought and language which are both analog. We still have parts of the brain operating digitally but these are parts (like the amygdala) with which we lack direct contact. We don't sense things like the medulla and communication is in only one direction even though the medulla probably communicates with the rest of the body.

The brain is infinitely adaptable and humans experienced the mother of all change 4000 years ago. Sagan's thinking is interesting here but I believe it misses the mark.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

Options: ReplyQuote


Subject Views Written By Posted
The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 983 Thanos5150 04-Jan-20 17:22
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 266 cladking 04-Jan-20 19:37
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 229 thinkitover 04-Jan-20 23:49
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 221 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 00:46
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 228 cladking 05-Jan-20 02:39
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 197 Warwick 06-Jan-20 20:55
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 191 Warwick 06-Jan-20 21:16
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 174 cladking 06-Jan-20 22:45
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 175 Warwick 07-Jan-20 18:30
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 169 cladking 07-Jan-20 20:10
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 186 cladking 06-Jan-20 22:49
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 169 Warwick 07-Jan-20 18:24
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 189 cladking 07-Jan-20 20:33
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 165 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 18:37
Snap! :) 165 Warwick 08-Jan-20 18:47
Re: Snap! :) 170 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:02
Re: Snap! :) 162 Warwick 08-Jan-20 19:14
Re: Snap! :) 176 cladking 08-Jan-20 19:56
Re: Snap! :) 158 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:23
Re: Snap! :) 163 cladking 08-Jan-20 21:38
Re: Snap! :) 165 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:06
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 163 cladking 08-Jan-20 19:50
Stop avoiding the questions Cladking 173 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:37
Oops made a mistake on the number of words for English 144 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:24
Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 165 thinkitover 15-Jan-20 06:12
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 163 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 07:00
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 147 cladking 15-Jan-20 14:38
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 164 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 16:25
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 147 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:38
...and Cladking runs off 154 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 17:52
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 159 Corpuscles 16-Jan-20 08:03
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 251 cladking 16-Jan-20 14:27
Get Comfortable. 169 cladking 16-Jan-20 14:50
It's simple all right 153 Warwick 16-Jan-20 20:32
Hieroglyphs have never been translated but I make my own translations from those same fake translations?????? 147 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:56
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 142 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:54
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 149 Warwick 16-Jan-20 20:27
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 142 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:01
Re: Would You Like to Borrow A Comfy Chair and a Soft Cushion? 161 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:56
making up dates 151 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 18:15
Re: making up dates 155 cladking 15-Jan-20 18:52
Re: making up dates 158 Warwick 15-Jan-20 19:05
Re: making up dates 149 cladking 15-Jan-20 19:22
Re: making up dates 141 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:25
Re: making up dates 140 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:22
How to demonstrate that your ideas are based on stuff you made up - by Cladking 146 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:20
So ancient goofy language is all the same? 145 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:05
What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 171 thinkitover 09-Jan-20 01:33
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 166 cladking 09-Jan-20 02:07
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 164 cladking 09-Jan-20 02:16
Re: What Purpose Does Myth Serve? 159 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:46
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 167 Warwick 08-Jan-20 18:45
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 160 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:09
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 171 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:14
Cladking avoiding the questions that destroys his assumptions 173 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:27
so, not just Egyptologists but, 171 Warwick 14-Jan-20 19:23
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 159 cladking 14-Jan-20 20:26
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 154 Warwick 14-Jan-20 20:32
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 161 cladking 14-Jan-20 21:02
Projection 157 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:17
Re: Projection 145 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 21:51
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 157 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:52
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 153 cladking 15-Jan-20 14:49
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 165 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 16:33
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 140 cladking 15-Jan-20 17:17
No Gods means belief 145 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 17:59
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 155 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:34
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 156 cladking 15-Jan-20 19:36
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 152 Warwick 15-Jan-20 19:57
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 180 Hanslune 16-Jan-20 22:07
It's a common fault 156 Warwick 18-Jan-20 21:01
Re: It's a common fault 163 Hanslune 19-Jan-20 00:12
Re: It's a common fault 149 cladking 20-Jan-20 03:14
Re: It's a common fault 139 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 03:42
Re: It's a common fault 167 Corpuscles 20-Jan-20 03:59
Re: It's a common fault 152 Sirfiroth 20-Jan-20 17:01
Re: It's a common fault 142 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 17:37
Re: It's a common fault 147 Warwick 20-Jan-20 17:21
Re: It's a common fault 137 Hanslune 20-Jan-20 17:30
Re: so, not just Egyptologists but, 160 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:55
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 164 cladking 08-Jan-20 22:04
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 161 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:10
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 152 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:25
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 160 cladking 08-Jan-20 21:44
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 160 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:01
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 172 cladking 08-Jan-20 23:22
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 162 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 23:26
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 166 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:48
Are you kidding us or what? 168 Warwick 09-Jan-20 19:50
Re: Are you kidding us or what? 161 cladking 09-Jan-20 20:26
We know who we are talking too 189 Hanslune 09-Jan-20 20:42
Re: Are you kidding us or what? 163 Hanslune 09-Jan-20 20:36
sorry for the delay 164 Warwick 14-Jan-20 19:16
Re: sorry for the delay 167 cladking 14-Jan-20 21:11
Sorry you are off topic 166 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 06:02
Re: sorry for the delay 161 Warwick 15-Jan-20 18:28
Re: sorry for the delay 140 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 19:24
Re: sorry for the delay 160 Hanslune 15-Jan-20 05:59
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 177 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 19:06
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 179 cladking 08-Jan-20 20:16
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 167 Hanslune 08-Jan-20 20:24
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 175 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 03:29
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 200 Thanos5150 09-Jan-20 04:26
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 195 seasmith 09-Jan-20 05:43
Re: The Book of Two Ways-Coffin Texts Older Than Believed 210 Warwick 20-Jan-20 19:22


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.