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Corpuscles Wrote:

"Note the only andesite is in the renovated back fill. The structure is essentially reconstituted limestone, so no igneous component, derr…. despite dipstick comments in the thread."

I have had a hard time keeping straight which rock is which in the various sites around the world. I had thought for the longest time that Sacsayhuaman was igneous. And it was a nice convenient way to perceive the work simplistically segmented into pillow stones = igneous. Then you can oversimplify the 'magic' to being a material manipulation of the crystal structure totally uniformly, where as in limestone, if you only manipulate the crystalline content of that rock, then it will look different, like the core blocks of GP.

But its not that simple clearly.

Limestone is formed by pressure. And you can't melt it and reform it to appear the same like igneous might be able to. But to reconstitute it back into typical limestone hardness, you need to simulate that pressure somehow. Or, as the geopolymer theory suggests, that hardness is entirely based on the properties of the binder. A 'magic' binder of sorts, that survives thousands of years, so we're all vulnerable to the WOO moniker, to be fair.

So I guess my next big question to the geopolymer camp is this: Are you proposing that the ancients invented a compound from available sources that cures so hard as to simulate the hardness of natural rock, which by far outperforms most typical modern day concrete, even with the advantage of steel bar reinforcement inside?

If I consider the possibility that we can, at present, duplicate that binder performance, then I have to assume the reason why it hasn't taken over the global industry is because its so cost preventative a process to make. And that potential high cost is either because of extremely expensive and complex advanced processing plants to produce it, OR, that its constituent material components are rare enough to make it very costly to find and extract in large enough volumes.

And that cost calculation is also presumably taking into account the significantly reduced amount of material necessary, (as it so thoroughly outperforms regular concrete 1:1), while used in conjunction with rebar to give it every advantage, to duplicate the present day concrete performance industry standards. So even having to use far less of this material, its still financially infeasible.

If the answer to the above question is yes, then I have to assume you are open to the existence of a highly advanced ancient global civilization. Because building materials should be the spear tip of our best applications of the highest level of material science, and if we haven't even worked through the economies of scale to implement today, what they used all over the world in ancient times, then our present level of advancement pales in comparison.

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Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 1601 Corpuscles 21-Dec-19 17:24
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 224 Open mind 22-Dec-19 02:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 191 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 05:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 164 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:06
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 122 thinkitover 23-Dec-19 10:05
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 203 ocka 22-Dec-19 09:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 158 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 18:01
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 155 Thanos5150 23-Dec-19 16:53
Re: Tiahuanaco architect named 119 molder 23-Dec-19 22:16
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 118 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 23:44
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 120 Thanos5150 24-Dec-19 16:47
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 100 Hanslune 25-Dec-19 01:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 155 Thanos5150 25-Dec-19 02:43
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 113 Hanslune 27-Dec-19 23:09
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 109 Thanos5150 28-Dec-19 17:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 118 Corpuscles 29-Dec-19 06:33
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 105 Merrell 29-Dec-19 14:38
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 101 Corpuscles 29-Dec-19 20:31
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 105 Merrell 29-Dec-19 23:54
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 90 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 00:03
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 87 Merrell 01-Jan-20 10:45
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 82 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 18:32
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 97 Open mind 31-Dec-19 19:33
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 80 Merrell 31-Dec-19 23:06
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 96 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 00:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 81 Open mind 01-Jan-20 03:02
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 125 Thanos5150 01-Jan-20 04:08
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 93 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 05:51
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 107 Thanos5150 01-Jan-20 06:59
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 101 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 19:40
Basalt Pavers 93 Barbelo 01-Jan-20 21:33
Re: Basalt Pavers 92 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 23:01
Re: Basalt Pavers 85 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 03:36
Re: Basalt Pavers 99 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 05:42
Re: Basalt Pavers 85 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 06:41
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 98 Thanos5150 02-Jan-20 02:17
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 114 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 05:03
Basalt Pillar 107 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 07:15
Re: Basalt Pillar 89 Open mind 02-Jan-20 15:43
Re: Basalt Pillar 104 Corpuscles 02-Jan-20 19:06
Re: Basalt Pillar 93 Barbelo 02-Jan-20 21:13
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 120 Thanos5150 02-Jan-20 18:08
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 115 Merrell 02-Jan-20 18:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 153 Martin Stower 03-Jan-20 11:15
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 98 Corpuscles 03-Jan-20 20:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 91 Merrell 03-Jan-20 21:45
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 95 Corpuscles 03-Jan-20 23:23
Sacsayhuaman 102 Barbelo 04-Jan-20 02:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 102 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 03:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 97 Thanos5150 04-Jan-20 03:28
Re: Sacsayhuaman 92 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 05:58
Re: Sacsayhuaman 138 Barbelo 04-Jan-20 11:16
Re: Sacsayhuaman 89 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 15:58
Re: Sacsayhuaman 92 Barbelo 05-Jan-20 20:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 81 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 23:55
Re: Sacsayhuaman 83 Corpuscles 05-Jan-20 21:41
Re: Sacsayhuaman 86 Barbelo 05-Jan-20 23:40
Re: Sacsayhuaman 86 Thanos5150 05-Jan-20 23:59
Re: Sacsayhuaman 80 Open mind 06-Jan-20 01:08
Re: Sacsayhuaman 78 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 02:29
Re: Sacsayhuaman 88 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 03:50
Re: Sacsayhuaman 87 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 04:29
Re: Sacsayhuaman 93 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 05:10
Re: Sacsayhuaman 100 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 05:47
Re: Sacsayhuaman 105 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 16:53
Re: Sacsayhuaman 80 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 19:06
The Limestone Puddle 81 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 21:27
Re: Sacsayhuaman 83 Thanos5150 06-Jan-20 21:44
Re: Sacsayhuaman 84 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 22:28
Re: Sacsayhuaman 96 Thanos5150 07-Jan-20 17:01
Re: Sacsayhuaman 77 Corpuscles 07-Jan-20 21:48
Re: Sacsayhuaman 76 Open mind 06-Jan-20 21:07
Re: Sacsayhuaman 85 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 21:30
Re: Sacsayhuaman 73 Open mind 07-Jan-20 20:43
Re: Sacsayhuaman 73 Open mind 06-Jan-20 13:44
Re: Sacsayhuaman 83 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 11:07
Re: Sacsayhuaman 81 Corpuscles 06-Jan-20 05:16
Re: Sacsayhuaman 80 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 10:36
Re: Sacsayhuaman 83 seasmith 06-Jan-20 14:28
Re: Sacsayhuaman 79 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 20:46
Re: Sacsayhuaman 76 Open mind 06-Jan-20 16:41
Re: Sacsayhuaman 77 Barbelo 06-Jan-20 21:12
Re: Sacsayhuaman 80 Open mind 07-Jan-20 15:05
Re: Sacsayhuaman 91 Corpuscles 07-Jan-20 21:25
Nonsensical or Unnecessary? 78 Barbelo 07-Jan-20 23:51
Re: Nonsensical or Unnecessary? 89 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 01:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 79 Open mind 08-Jan-20 00:36
Re: Sacsayhuaman 80 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 00:58
Re: Sacsayhuaman 80 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 01:12
Re: Sacsayhuaman 73 Open mind 08-Jan-20 02:06
Re: Sacsayhuaman 79 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 03:20
Re: Sacsayhuaman 98 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 07:05
Re: Sacsayhuaman 74 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 12:01
Re: Sacsayhuaman 75 Open mind 08-Jan-20 16:42
Re: Sacsayhuaman 78 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 18:24
Re: Sacsayhuaman 68 Open mind 08-Jan-20 20:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 77 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 21:44
LImestone vs Limestone 71 Barbelo 08-Jan-20 22:40
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 88 Corpuscles 08-Jan-20 23:47
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 78 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 01:57
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 84 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 03:09
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 86 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 04:07
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 76 Open mind 09-Jan-20 16:06
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 74 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 20:49
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 72 Open mind 09-Jan-20 20:58
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 90 Barbelo 09-Jan-20 21:20
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 72 Open mind 10-Jan-20 15:12
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 83 Corpuscles 09-Jan-20 17:15
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 76 Open mind 09-Jan-20 15:25
Re:Sacsayhuaman 67 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 07:00
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 69 Open mind 10-Jan-20 13:15
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 94 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 14:34
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 67 Open mind 10-Jan-20 15:47
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 76 Open mind 10-Jan-20 15:58
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 72 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 21:07
Re: Re:Sacsayhuaman 69 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 21:00
Re: LImestone vs Limestone 92 Thanos5150 09-Jan-20 01:44
Tombomachay 88 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 06:25
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 80 Barbelo 10-Jan-20 07:30
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 145 Corpuscles 10-Jan-20 11:41
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 92 Barbelo 11-Jan-20 05:25
Re: Limestone vs Limestone 84 Corpuscles 12-Jan-20 01:24
Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 90 Barbelo 12-Jan-20 12:11
Re: Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 99 Corpuscles 12-Jan-20 20:56
Re: Now All You Have To Do Is Prove It 100 Open mind 13-Jan-20 16:19
Re: Sacsayhuaman 69 Open mind 08-Jan-20 23:22
Re: Sacsayhuaman 79 Open mind 08-Jan-20 14:23
Re: Sacsayhuaman 70 Merrell 08-Jan-20 17:57
On the fence... 81 Racho 08-Jan-20 04:51
Re: On the fence... 74 Open mind 08-Jan-20 15:24
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 93 Merrell 04-Jan-20 09:04
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 92 Corpuscles 05-Jan-20 09:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 95 Martin Stower 03-Jan-20 23:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 84 Corpuscles 04-Jan-20 00:34
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 71 Open mind 05-Jan-20 16:19
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 85 Open mind 02-Jan-20 03:37
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 92 Merrell 01-Jan-20 14:10
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 84 Corpuscles 01-Jan-20 18:41
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 125 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:13
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 111 Corpuscles 22-Dec-19 21:30
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 106 Open mind 22-Dec-19 22:12
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 112 WVK 23-Dec-19 15:21
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 99 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 21:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 92 Open mind 23-Dec-19 23:22
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 116 Hanslune 22-Dec-19 22:58
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 112 seasmith 23-Dec-19 03:04
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 107 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 07:20
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 106 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 09:43
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 96 Hanslune 23-Dec-19 23:28
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 122 Thanos5150 24-Dec-19 16:53
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 111 Hanslune 24-Dec-19 22:35
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 171 Thanos5150 23-Dec-19 19:29
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 174 Corpuscles 23-Dec-19 21:19
Re: Tiwanaku / Pumapunku Megaliths are Artificial Geopolymers 165 Enigcom 02-Jan-20 17:29


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