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Hello Thanos5150; you wrote: ”I may be wrong, but I do not find it a "big" stretch and ultimately a question worth asking. The 17th year cattle count is not required to be located at G1 and is noted mostly to highlight the folly of using two years for the cattle count instead of one which is just as well demonstrated at Dahshur.”

Giza and Dahshur may both be incorrect; Meidum may be the true nexus of Petrie’s confusion.

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”With Cheops we are faced with no real discrepancy: the Turin Papyrus gives 23 years whereas the records reach up to the 12th (An example of a 17th count was argued by Petrie; however, it is probable that he was confused on this matter)20. In this case one may argue for a biennial system. After all, this is a new reign and the practices of Snefru need not have been followed. It is unfortunate that Cairo Fragment No. 2 of the Annals does not preserve any dates and that none of the nine listed cases present a “year after the Xth occurrence” or any connection with cattle.

20 A History of Egypt10, Lauer is adverse to this reference: in: BIFAO 73, 1973, 134, n. 1; cf. Stadelmann, in: MDAIK 43, 1986, 239. I suspect that Petrie confused his data and mixed the evidence from Snefru at Meidum (where there are cases of zp 17: nos. 13-15 in our list under that king) with that of Cheops at Giza



From the ”Addendum: Meidum Dates”:
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”The following are the graffiti listed by Posener-Kriéger that should be added to our analysis. Those without dates are ignored. All relate to Snefru.

(5) Year of the 17 occurrence: Graffiti A 12-21 with A 23-26 to be added possibly A 22 is to be set in the same group.”

Source: “Dated Texts of the Old Kingdom”, Anthony Spalinger, Studien zur Altägyptischen Kultur © 1994, Pages 285, 318 and 319.


Note to the serious student: The whole of the article contains scholarly merit. In particular, the Addendum contains cogent discourse ”concerning the intricate question of regnal year dating in the Old Kingdom”, amplifying a transitional intercalation from the ‘cattle count’, while recognizing the import of the maturing organizational bureaucracy.



Dr. Troglodyte


“Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?“ - Decimus Junius Juvenalis
Η άγνοια είναι η μητέρα του μύθου και του μυστηρίου.


“Numero, Pondere et Mensura“


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Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 1762 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 11:13
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 367 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 11:33
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 336 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 13:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 201 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 20:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 287 Thanos5150 30-Oct-19 16:10
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 266 Warwick 30-Oct-19 20:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 312 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 20:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 226 Corpuscles 31-Oct-19 01:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 266 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 11:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 156 Merrell 22-Nov-19 16:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 257 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 13:34
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 250 PB Bytes 19-Nov-19 00:24
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 199 Thanos5150 19-Nov-19 16:55
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 157 engbren 21-Nov-19 11:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 180 Martin Stower 21-Nov-19 14:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 149 engbren 22-Nov-19 11:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 160 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 15:06
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 149 Hanslune 22-Nov-19 15:32
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 166 sfbey 22-Nov-19 18:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 143 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:19
2 responces . . 159 Warwick 22-Nov-19 19:32
Re: 2 responces . . 177 cladking 22-Nov-19 21:14
Re: 2 responces . . 179 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 21:29
Re: 2 responces . . 244 cladking 23-Nov-19 02:14
Deleted the same attempts to get people to respond to him 155 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 04:04
Ah, how rare Cladking hijacking a thread 140 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:18
Re: 2 responces . . 151 Mayavitch 26-Nov-19 22:33
Re: 2 responces . . 119 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 158 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 17:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 155 Merrell 24-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 183 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 13:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 169 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 142 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 156 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:26
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 135 engbren 25-Nov-19 06:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 148 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 161 cladking 25-Nov-19 17:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 224 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 145 Merrell 25-Nov-19 09:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 164 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 147 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 149 Merrell 26-Nov-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 165 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 06:19
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 140 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 05:47
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 128 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 137 Merrell 28-Nov-19 10:25
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 130 Merrell 28-Nov-19 14:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 137 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 136 Merrell 28-Nov-19 17:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 130 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 18:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 130 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 20:20
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 128 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 141 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 00:19
Petrie’s Confusion Problem 186 Dr. Troglodyte 01-Dec-19 19:54
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 194 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:51
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 125 Merrell 02-Dec-19 10:03
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 160 Martin Stower 02-Dec-19 14:38
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 127 Thanos5150 03-Dec-19 16:54
as far as that goes..... 114 Warwick 03-Dec-19 18:20
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 164 Martin Stower 03-Dec-19 19:32
Tunnel vision 539 Warwick 04-Dec-19 20:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 146 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 21:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 125 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 21:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 165 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 22:28
“. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 205 Martin Stower 29-Nov-19 14:50
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 131 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 19:03
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 123 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:44
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 132 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 01:02
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 128 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 05:31
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 138 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 06:11
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 141 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 12:49
From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 153 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 14:38
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 125 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:34
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 130 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 16:57
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 130 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 17:43
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 123 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:31
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 138 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 18:46
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 126 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:55
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 137 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 19:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 113 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:04
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 131 Merrell 30-Nov-19 21:22
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 116 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:12
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 122 Thanos5150 01-Dec-19 00:25
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 134 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 00:54
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 158 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 01:37
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 141 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 136 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:55
Hawass: other possible slips 133 Merrell 01-Dec-19 15:28
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 133 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 19:16
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 110 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:32
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 134 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:38
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 108 Merrell 30-Nov-19 18:14
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 175 Merrell 25-Nov-19 23:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 141 Thanos5150 26-Nov-19 16:38
Infrastructure . 146 Warwick 26-Nov-19 17:29
What Irony? n/t 135 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:05
do TRY being objective 124 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:14
Re: do TRY being objective 144 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:25
so you choose subjective 134 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:49
Re: so you choose subjective 137 cladking 26-Nov-19 23:17
Re: so you choose subjective 147 Warwick 27-Nov-19 02:51
So You Evade the Subject Again. 200 cladking 27-Nov-19 03:43
Re: So You Evade the Subject Again. 113 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:29
Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 112 cladking 27-Nov-19 18:11
Re: Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 127 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:21
Cladking hijacks another thread and makes it about ramps - again 105 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:39
Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 151 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 12:58
Re: Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 115 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:41
A better idea 115 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 18:12
New from K-tel 127 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:16
Re: New from K-tel 124 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 00:08
Re: New from K-tel 147 Lee McGiffen 28-Nov-19 01:46
Re: New from K-tel 251 cladking 28-Nov-19 01:57
Re: New from K-tel 120 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 16:40
Putting this to bed 116 Warwick 28-Nov-19 18:11
Re: so you choose subjective 119 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 19:11
Re: so you choose subjective 109 Warwick 28-Nov-19 20:44
Classic unintended comedy! 165 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 13:04
Re: Infrastructure . 129 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 00:15
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 143 Merrell 26-Nov-19 18:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 123 Merrell 28-Nov-19 22:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 137 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 107 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:26
Ahket . 151 Warwick 25-Nov-19 17:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 187 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 16:27
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 141 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 00:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 134 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 00:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 140 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:08
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 134 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 05:49
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 143 Merrell 25-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 116 seasmith 25-Nov-19 22:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 112 Warwick 25-Nov-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 119 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 114 seasmith 25-Nov-19 23:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 109 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:23
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 139 Martin Stower 26-Nov-19 14:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 123 seasmith 27-Nov-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 131 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 16:59
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 146 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 144 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 17:21
not Graffiti 147 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:47
Re: not Graffiti 151 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 21:51
Monkey see.. 164 Warwick 24-Nov-19 23:40
Re: not Graffiti 175 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 21:58
Please, for God’s sake, . . . 807 Martin Stower 27-Nov-19 19:52
Mods can you stop Cladking from hijacking this thread? 156 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:41
Mod Warning > General OP Hijacking 193 Dr. Troglodyte 28-Nov-19 17:21


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