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Hello Thanos5150; you wrote: ”I may be wrong, but I do not find it a "big" stretch and ultimately a question worth asking. The 17th year cattle count is not required to be located at G1 and is noted mostly to highlight the folly of using two years for the cattle count instead of one which is just as well demonstrated at Dahshur.”

Giza and Dahshur may both be incorrect; Meidum may be the true nexus of Petrie’s confusion.

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”With Cheops we are faced with no real discrepancy: the Turin Papyrus gives 23 years whereas the records reach up to the 12th (An example of a 17th count was argued by Petrie; however, it is probable that he was confused on this matter)20. In this case one may argue for a biennial system. After all, this is a new reign and the practices of Snefru need not have been followed. It is unfortunate that Cairo Fragment No. 2 of the Annals does not preserve any dates and that none of the nine listed cases present a “year after the Xth occurrence” or any connection with cattle.

20 A History of Egypt10, Lauer is adverse to this reference: in: BIFAO 73, 1973, 134, n. 1; cf. Stadelmann, in: MDAIK 43, 1986, 239. I suspect that Petrie confused his data and mixed the evidence from Snefru at Meidum (where there are cases of zp 17: nos. 13-15 in our list under that king) with that of Cheops at Giza



From the ”Addendum: Meidum Dates”:
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”The following are the graffiti listed by Posener-Kriéger that should be added to our analysis. Those without dates are ignored. All relate to Snefru.

(5) Year of the 17 occurrence: Graffiti A 12-21 with A 23-26 to be added possibly A 22 is to be set in the same group.”

Source: “Dated Texts of the Old Kingdom”, Anthony Spalinger, Studien zur Altägyptischen Kultur © 1994, Pages 285, 318 and 319.


Note to the serious student: The whole of the article contains scholarly merit. In particular, the Addendum contains cogent discourse ”concerning the intricate question of regnal year dating in the Old Kingdom”, amplifying a transitional intercalation from the ‘cattle count’, while recognizing the import of the maturing organizational bureaucracy.



Dr. Troglodyte


“Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?“ - Decimus Junius Juvenalis
Η άγνοια είναι η μητέρα του μύθου και του μυστηρίου.


“Numero, Pondere et Mensura“


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Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 1891 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 11:13
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 419 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 11:33
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 391 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 13:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 249 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 20:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 336 Thanos5150 30-Oct-19 16:10
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 316 Warwick 30-Oct-19 20:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 362 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 20:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 279 Corpuscles 31-Oct-19 01:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 328 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 11:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 205 Merrell 22-Nov-19 16:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 311 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 13:34
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 300 PB Bytes 19-Nov-19 00:24
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 242 Thanos5150 19-Nov-19 16:55
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 208 engbren 21-Nov-19 11:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 230 Martin Stower 21-Nov-19 14:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 192 engbren 22-Nov-19 11:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 217 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 15:06
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 199 Hanslune 22-Nov-19 15:32
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 238 sfbey 22-Nov-19 18:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 196 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:19
2 responces . . 201 Warwick 22-Nov-19 19:32
Re: 2 responces . . 221 cladking 22-Nov-19 21:14
Re: 2 responces . . 226 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 21:29
Re: 2 responces . . 298 cladking 23-Nov-19 02:14
Deleted the same attempts to get people to respond to him 205 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 04:04
Ah, how rare Cladking hijacking a thread 187 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:18
Re: 2 responces . . 194 Mayavitch 26-Nov-19 22:33
Re: 2 responces . . 161 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 202 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 17:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 205 Merrell 24-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 234 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 13:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 218 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 191 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 201 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:26
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 180 engbren 25-Nov-19 06:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 195 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 204 cladking 25-Nov-19 17:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 275 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 191 Merrell 25-Nov-19 09:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 211 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 192 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 207 Merrell 26-Nov-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 219 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 06:19
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 185 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 05:47
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 175 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 183 Merrell 28-Nov-19 10:25
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 176 Merrell 28-Nov-19 14:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 186 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 178 Merrell 28-Nov-19 17:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 172 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 18:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 180 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 20:20
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 172 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 186 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 00:19
Petrie’s Confusion Problem 245 Dr. Troglodyte 01-Dec-19 19:54
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 243 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:51
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 173 Merrell 02-Dec-19 10:03
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 203 Martin Stower 02-Dec-19 14:38
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 173 Thanos5150 03-Dec-19 16:54
as far as that goes..... 161 Warwick 03-Dec-19 18:20
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 217 Martin Stower 03-Dec-19 19:32
Tunnel vision 737 Warwick 04-Dec-19 20:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 198 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 21:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 172 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 21:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 222 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 22:28
“. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 267 Martin Stower 29-Nov-19 14:50
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 179 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 19:03
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 170 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:44
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 175 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 01:02
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 177 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 05:31
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 186 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 06:11
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 193 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 12:49
From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 212 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 14:38
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 170 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:34
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 181 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 16:57
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 176 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 17:43
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 168 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:31
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 190 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 18:46
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 174 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:55
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 192 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 19:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 156 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:04
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 174 Merrell 30-Nov-19 21:22
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 158 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:12
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 164 Thanos5150 01-Dec-19 00:25
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 186 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 00:54
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 209 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 01:37
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 189 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 190 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:55
Hawass: other possible slips 180 Merrell 01-Dec-19 15:28
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 181 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 19:16
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 157 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:32
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 182 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:38
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 152 Merrell 30-Nov-19 18:14
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 225 Merrell 25-Nov-19 23:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 191 Thanos5150 26-Nov-19 16:38
Infrastructure . 198 Warwick 26-Nov-19 17:29
What Irony? n/t 186 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:05
do TRY being objective 167 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:14
Re: do TRY being objective 191 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:25
so you choose subjective 181 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:49
Re: so you choose subjective 180 cladking 26-Nov-19 23:17
Re: so you choose subjective 195 Warwick 27-Nov-19 02:51
So You Evade the Subject Again. 255 cladking 27-Nov-19 03:43
Re: So You Evade the Subject Again. 155 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:29
Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 159 cladking 27-Nov-19 18:11
Re: Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 173 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:21
Cladking hijacks another thread and makes it about ramps - again 144 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:39
Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 190 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 12:58
Re: Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 153 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:41
A better idea 162 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 18:12
New from K-tel 175 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:16
Re: New from K-tel 160 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 00:08
Re: New from K-tel 188 Lee McGiffen 28-Nov-19 01:46
Re: New from K-tel 292 cladking 28-Nov-19 01:57
Re: New from K-tel 165 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 16:40
Putting this to bed 158 Warwick 28-Nov-19 18:11
Re: so you choose subjective 157 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 19:11
Re: so you choose subjective 153 Warwick 28-Nov-19 20:44
Classic unintended comedy! 212 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 13:04
Re: Infrastructure . 174 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 00:15
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 188 Merrell 26-Nov-19 18:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 162 Merrell 28-Nov-19 22:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 184 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 146 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:26
Ahket . 192 Warwick 25-Nov-19 17:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 231 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 16:27
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 182 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 00:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 181 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 00:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 188 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:08
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 185 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 05:49
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 190 Merrell 25-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 154 seasmith 25-Nov-19 22:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 156 Warwick 25-Nov-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 163 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 159 seasmith 25-Nov-19 23:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 152 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:23
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 177 Martin Stower 26-Nov-19 14:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 168 seasmith 27-Nov-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 170 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 16:59
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 188 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 186 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 17:21
not Graffiti 189 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:47
Re: not Graffiti 196 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 21:51
Monkey see.. 203 Warwick 24-Nov-19 23:40
Re: not Graffiti 215 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 21:58
Please, for God’s sake, . . . 848 Martin Stower 27-Nov-19 19:52
Mods can you stop Cladking from hijacking this thread? 198 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:41
Mod Warning > General OP Hijacking 238 Dr. Troglodyte 28-Nov-19 17:21


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