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Corpuscles Wrote:
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> Hi
>
> I was unaware of the post by M Stower (HoM - later
> provided by Merrell)
> There are a number of good points raised.

The drawing with associated footnotes makes it clear it belongs to Dahshur.

> I am guessing but I reckon Hawass is mistakenly,
> referring to or pointing out, numbers on the CC
> chevrons and likely assuming there once was, or
> is, some faint remaining mark, thought to be
> originally a M4. and assuming that was what
> Petrie referred to?

Maybe. Seems odd though Hawass would point at something in a video that is not actually there and say its faded away and also report he took people to see among others specifically this inscription.

> I think it is a big stretch you are making to
> suggest that the Wadi al jarf documents relate to
> Djedefre or other later king.

I may be wrong, but I do not find it a "big" stretch and ultimately a question worth asking. The 17th year cattle count is not required to be located at G1 and is noted mostly to highlight the folly of using two years for the cattle count instead of one which is just as well demonstrated at Dahshur.

The point being the 13th cattle count at Wadi al-Jarf may just as well be reffering to the 13th (14th?) year of reign as compared to the 27th yet these documents are clearly associated with the end of the occupation of these galleries being stuffed among the blocking stones at some point after the last time they were put in place.

Ankhhaf, named in these documents, was thought to be vizier under Khafre whose tomb regardless was not completed until Khafre's reign meaning it is very likely Ankhhaf was vizier under Djedefre and perhaps Khafre as well.

> As you know there were crew names associated
> directly to their king elsewhere (eg Drunkards of
> Menkaure)
> Yet the only ones found at Wadi al Jarf refer to
> Khufu alone.

These were teams of boat crews in which some with Khufu's name were found at Wadi al-Jarf, like for example, according to Talet: "its prow is the ureaus of Khenemkhuefuj (Khufu)". Some other teams are noted on the outside blocking stones.

There is no doubt Khufu in one form or another is well attested at Wadi al-Jarf, namely Zone 1, but in Zone 5 there are several instances of Khafre's name apparently years after Khufu had left. Khafre is also credited with founding the harbor of Ayn Sukhna in the north yet why no evidence at either of Djedefre? He didn't need a harbor in the Red Sea...?

In context of my greater thought are the boat pits of G1 which Djedefre is well attested.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01-Dec-19 15:50 by Thanos5150.

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Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 1913 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 11:13
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 425 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 11:33
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 399 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 13:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 255 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 20:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 342 Thanos5150 30-Oct-19 16:10
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 321 Warwick 30-Oct-19 20:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 367 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 20:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 285 Corpuscles 31-Oct-19 01:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 336 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 11:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 217 Merrell 22-Nov-19 16:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 324 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 13:34
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 309 PB Bytes 19-Nov-19 00:24
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 248 Thanos5150 19-Nov-19 16:55
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 213 engbren 21-Nov-19 11:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 236 Martin Stower 21-Nov-19 14:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 200 engbren 22-Nov-19 11:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 224 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 15:06
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 205 Hanslune 22-Nov-19 15:32
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 248 sfbey 22-Nov-19 18:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 202 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:19
2 responces . . 207 Warwick 22-Nov-19 19:32
Re: 2 responces . . 226 cladking 22-Nov-19 21:14
Re: 2 responces . . 234 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 21:29
Re: 2 responces . . 305 cladking 23-Nov-19 02:14
Deleted the same attempts to get people to respond to him 213 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 04:04
Ah, how rare Cladking hijacking a thread 193 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:18
Re: 2 responces . . 202 Mayavitch 26-Nov-19 22:33
Re: 2 responces . . 166 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 212 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 17:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 212 Merrell 24-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 240 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 13:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 225 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 203 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 207 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:26
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 187 engbren 25-Nov-19 06:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 203 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 217 cladking 25-Nov-19 17:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 281 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 198 Merrell 25-Nov-19 09:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 218 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 198 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 217 Merrell 26-Nov-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 226 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 06:19
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 195 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 05:47
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 181 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 188 Merrell 28-Nov-19 10:25
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 182 Merrell 28-Nov-19 14:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 192 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 184 Merrell 28-Nov-19 17:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 177 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 18:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 185 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 20:20
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 182 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 191 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 00:19
Petrie’s Confusion Problem 258 Dr. Troglodyte 01-Dec-19 19:54
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 251 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:51
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 179 Merrell 02-Dec-19 10:03
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 210 Martin Stower 02-Dec-19 14:38
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 179 Thanos5150 03-Dec-19 16:54
as far as that goes..... 168 Warwick 03-Dec-19 18:20
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 222 Martin Stower 03-Dec-19 19:32
Tunnel vision 769 Warwick 04-Dec-19 20:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 210 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 21:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 178 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 21:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 229 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 22:28
“. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 278 Martin Stower 29-Nov-19 14:50
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 191 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 19:03
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 177 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:44
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 182 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 01:02
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 183 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 05:31
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 198 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 06:11
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 208 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 12:49
From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 225 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 14:38
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 179 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:34
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 187 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 16:57
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 182 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 17:43
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 174 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:31
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 197 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 18:46
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 179 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:55
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 199 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 19:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 166 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:04
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 181 Merrell 30-Nov-19 21:22
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 164 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:12
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 170 Thanos5150 01-Dec-19 00:25
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 192 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 00:54
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 219 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 01:37
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 194 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 195 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:55
Hawass: other possible slips 187 Merrell 01-Dec-19 15:28
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 188 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 19:16
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 169 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:32
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 189 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:38
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 160 Merrell 30-Nov-19 18:14
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 238 Merrell 25-Nov-19 23:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 202 Thanos5150 26-Nov-19 16:38
Infrastructure . 203 Warwick 26-Nov-19 17:29
What Irony? n/t 192 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:05
do TRY being objective 173 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:14
Re: do TRY being objective 203 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:25
so you choose subjective 192 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:49
Re: so you choose subjective 191 cladking 26-Nov-19 23:17
Re: so you choose subjective 200 Warwick 27-Nov-19 02:51
So You Evade the Subject Again. 261 cladking 27-Nov-19 03:43
Re: So You Evade the Subject Again. 159 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:29
Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 165 cladking 27-Nov-19 18:11
Re: Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 177 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:21
Cladking hijacks another thread and makes it about ramps - again 154 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:39
Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 201 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 12:58
Re: Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 157 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:41
A better idea 166 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 18:12
New from K-tel 179 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:16
Re: New from K-tel 165 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 00:08
Re: New from K-tel 192 Lee McGiffen 28-Nov-19 01:46
Re: New from K-tel 296 cladking 28-Nov-19 01:57
Re: New from K-tel 169 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 16:40
Putting this to bed 162 Warwick 28-Nov-19 18:11
Re: so you choose subjective 162 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 19:11
Re: so you choose subjective 158 Warwick 28-Nov-19 20:44
Classic unintended comedy! 217 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 13:04
Re: Infrastructure . 180 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 00:15
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 193 Merrell 26-Nov-19 18:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 167 Merrell 28-Nov-19 22:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 196 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 151 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:26
Ahket . 201 Warwick 25-Nov-19 17:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 240 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 16:27
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 188 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 00:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 194 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 00:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 201 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:08
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 191 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 05:49
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 195 Merrell 25-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 159 seasmith 25-Nov-19 22:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 161 Warwick 25-Nov-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 168 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 170 seasmith 25-Nov-19 23:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 158 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:23
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 182 Martin Stower 26-Nov-19 14:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 174 seasmith 27-Nov-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 176 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 16:59
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 193 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 191 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 17:21
not Graffiti 200 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:47
Re: not Graffiti 201 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 21:51
Monkey see.. 207 Warwick 24-Nov-19 23:40
Re: not Graffiti 221 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 21:58
Please, for God’s sake, . . . 853 Martin Stower 27-Nov-19 19:52
Mods can you stop Cladking from hijacking this thread? 204 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:41
Mod Warning > General OP Hijacking 242 Dr. Troglodyte 28-Nov-19 17:21


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