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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> "An inscription containing his highest regnal
> year, the "Year of the 17th Count of Khufu", first
> mentioned by Flinders Petrie in an 1883 book and
> then lost to historians, was rediscovered by
> Zahi Hawass in 2001 in one of the relieving
> chambers within Khufu's pyramid
".
>
> To resolve the matter we need the primary source.

Hi

I was unaware of the post by M Stower (HoM - later provided by Merrell)
There are a number of good points raised.

One of them is Goyen highlights that Grinsell wrote the inscription was originally thought by Petrie to be in the first RC (ie Davisons?) but declares it is a mistake. (the French part)

If there is one thing we can be certain M Stower would be (was?) completely familiar with all and every inscriptions in RC's recorded by (Vyse/Perring/Hill). If it is not in those records , then where is this inscription?

There are a series of numbers found on the chevrons of Campbell's. I seem to recall SC making a big deal about whether cardinal or ordinal in nature, and claiming the same depiction (you posted) is there. However, such numbers appear to be relating to the order of the slabs nothing to do with king's regnal year. Is it actually accompanied by Gardiner M4 glyph? .

I am guessing but I reckon Hawass is mistakenly, referring to or pointing out, numbers on the CC chevrons and likely assuming there once was, or is, some faint remaining mark, thought to be originally a M4. and assuming that was what Petrie referred to?

I think it is a big stretch you are making to suggest that the Wadi al jarf documents relate to Djedefre or other later king.
As you know there were crew names associated directly to their king elsewhere (eg Drunkards of Menkaure)
Yet the only ones found at Wadi al Jarf refer to Khufu alone.

Also regnal year has to be consistent it is either doubled assuming 2 yr or 1yr single count. They can't as far as I am aware be both? Can someone more knowledgeable give advice please
(I haven't checked but believe I have seen photo's of the papyri al jarf with the bulls head symbol clearly indicating cattle count )

2 cents
Cheers

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Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 1786 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 11:13
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 384 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 11:33
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 354 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 13:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 213 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 20:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 304 Thanos5150 30-Oct-19 16:10
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 279 Warwick 30-Oct-19 20:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 326 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 20:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 242 Corpuscles 31-Oct-19 01:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 283 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 11:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 170 Merrell 22-Nov-19 16:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 274 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 13:34
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 263 PB Bytes 19-Nov-19 00:24
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 211 Thanos5150 19-Nov-19 16:55
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 174 engbren 21-Nov-19 11:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 193 Martin Stower 21-Nov-19 14:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 162 engbren 22-Nov-19 11:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 176 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 15:06
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 165 Hanslune 22-Nov-19 15:32
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 189 sfbey 22-Nov-19 18:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 158 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:19
2 responces . . 171 Warwick 22-Nov-19 19:32
Re: 2 responces . . 190 cladking 22-Nov-19 21:14
Re: 2 responces . . 193 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 21:29
Re: 2 responces . . 257 cladking 23-Nov-19 02:14
Deleted the same attempts to get people to respond to him 173 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 04:04
Ah, how rare Cladking hijacking a thread 154 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:18
Re: 2 responces . . 163 Mayavitch 26-Nov-19 22:33
Re: 2 responces . . 130 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 170 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 17:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 172 Merrell 24-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 199 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 13:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 186 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 158 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 168 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:26
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 149 engbren 25-Nov-19 06:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 163 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 173 cladking 25-Nov-19 17:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 238 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 158 Merrell 25-Nov-19 09:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 179 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 161 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 160 Merrell 26-Nov-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 181 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 06:19
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 156 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 05:47
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 143 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 150 Merrell 28-Nov-19 10:25
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 142 Merrell 28-Nov-19 14:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 149 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 148 Merrell 28-Nov-19 17:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 143 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 18:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 146 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 20:20
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 139 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 156 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 00:19
Petrie’s Confusion Problem 205 Dr. Troglodyte 01-Dec-19 19:54
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 208 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:51
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 139 Merrell 02-Dec-19 10:03
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 172 Martin Stower 02-Dec-19 14:38
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 142 Thanos5150 03-Dec-19 16:54
as far as that goes..... 127 Warwick 03-Dec-19 18:20
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 180 Martin Stower 03-Dec-19 19:32
Tunnel vision 557 Warwick 04-Dec-19 20:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 162 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 21:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 139 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 21:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 183 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 22:28
“. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 224 Martin Stower 29-Nov-19 14:50
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 145 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 19:03
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 138 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:44
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 144 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 01:02
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 144 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 05:31
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 154 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 06:11
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 151 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 12:49
From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 169 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 14:38
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 140 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:34
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 146 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 16:57
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 144 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 17:43
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 137 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:31
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 154 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 18:46
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 141 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:55
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 155 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 19:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 126 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:04
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 142 Merrell 30-Nov-19 21:22
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 130 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:12
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 136 Thanos5150 01-Dec-19 00:25
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 150 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 00:54
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 175 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 01:37
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 156 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 155 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:55
Hawass: other possible slips 146 Merrell 01-Dec-19 15:28
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 147 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 19:16
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 123 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:32
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 147 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:38
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 121 Merrell 30-Nov-19 18:14
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 190 Merrell 25-Nov-19 23:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 157 Thanos5150 26-Nov-19 16:38
Infrastructure . 163 Warwick 26-Nov-19 17:29
What Irony? n/t 150 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:05
do TRY being objective 136 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:14
Re: do TRY being objective 158 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:25
so you choose subjective 151 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:49
Re: so you choose subjective 151 cladking 26-Nov-19 23:17
Re: so you choose subjective 165 Warwick 27-Nov-19 02:51
So You Evade the Subject Again. 223 cladking 27-Nov-19 03:43
Re: So You Evade the Subject Again. 127 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:29
Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 128 cladking 27-Nov-19 18:11
Re: Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 142 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:21
Cladking hijacks another thread and makes it about ramps - again 119 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:39
Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 163 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 12:58
Re: Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 127 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:41
A better idea 131 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 18:12
New from K-tel 142 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:16
Re: New from K-tel 135 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 00:08
Re: New from K-tel 161 Lee McGiffen 28-Nov-19 01:46
Re: New from K-tel 264 cladking 28-Nov-19 01:57
Re: New from K-tel 135 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 16:40
Putting this to bed 130 Warwick 28-Nov-19 18:11
Re: so you choose subjective 131 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 19:11
Re: so you choose subjective 124 Warwick 28-Nov-19 20:44
Classic unintended comedy! 180 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 13:04
Re: Infrastructure . 148 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 00:15
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 155 Merrell 26-Nov-19 18:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 135 Merrell 28-Nov-19 22:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 149 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 118 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:26
Ahket . 165 Warwick 25-Nov-19 17:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 200 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 16:27
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 155 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 00:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 149 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 00:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 158 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:08
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 149 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 05:49
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 159 Merrell 25-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 128 seasmith 25-Nov-19 22:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 127 Warwick 25-Nov-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 133 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 129 seasmith 25-Nov-19 23:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 123 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:23
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 151 Martin Stower 26-Nov-19 14:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 139 seasmith 27-Nov-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 144 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 16:59
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 160 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 157 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 17:21
not Graffiti 161 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:47
Re: not Graffiti 167 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 21:51
Monkey see.. 175 Warwick 24-Nov-19 23:40
Re: not Graffiti 188 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 21:58
Please, for God’s sake, . . . 819 Martin Stower 27-Nov-19 19:52
Mods can you stop Cladking from hijacking this thread? 169 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:41
Mod Warning > General OP Hijacking 207 Dr. Troglodyte 28-Nov-19 17:21


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