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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> "An inscription containing his highest regnal
> year, the "Year of the 17th Count of Khufu", first
> mentioned by Flinders Petrie in an 1883 book and
> then lost to historians, was rediscovered by
> Zahi Hawass in 2001 in one of the relieving
> chambers within Khufu's pyramid
".
>
> To resolve the matter we need the primary source.

Hi

I was unaware of the post by M Stower (HoM - later provided by Merrell)
There are a number of good points raised.

One of them is Goyen highlights that Grinsell wrote the inscription was originally thought by Petrie to be in the first RC (ie Davisons?) but declares it is a mistake. (the French part)

If there is one thing we can be certain M Stower would be (was?) completely familiar with all and every inscriptions in RC's recorded by (Vyse/Perring/Hill). If it is not in those records , then where is this inscription?

There are a series of numbers found on the chevrons of Campbell's. I seem to recall SC making a big deal about whether cardinal or ordinal in nature, and claiming the same depiction (you posted) is there. However, such numbers appear to be relating to the order of the slabs nothing to do with king's regnal year. Is it actually accompanied by Gardiner M4 glyph? .

I am guessing but I reckon Hawass is mistakenly, referring to or pointing out, numbers on the CC chevrons and likely assuming there once was, or is, some faint remaining mark, thought to be originally a M4. and assuming that was what Petrie referred to?

I think it is a big stretch you are making to suggest that the Wadi al jarf documents relate to Djedefre or other later king.
As you know there were crew names associated directly to their king elsewhere (eg Drunkards of Menkaure)
Yet the only ones found at Wadi al Jarf refer to Khufu alone.

Also regnal year has to be consistent it is either doubled assuming 2 yr or 1yr single count. They can't as far as I am aware be both? Can someone more knowledgeable give advice please
(I haven't checked but believe I have seen photo's of the papyri al jarf with the bulls head symbol clearly indicating cattle count )

2 cents
Cheers

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Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 1731 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 11:13
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 351 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 11:33
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 325 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 13:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 190 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 20:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 275 Thanos5150 30-Oct-19 16:10
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 255 Warwick 30-Oct-19 20:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 298 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 20:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 214 Corpuscles 31-Oct-19 01:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 253 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 11:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 147 Merrell 22-Nov-19 16:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 243 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 13:34
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 236 PB Bytes 19-Nov-19 00:24
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 186 Thanos5150 19-Nov-19 16:55
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 144 engbren 21-Nov-19 11:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 163 Martin Stower 21-Nov-19 14:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 135 engbren 22-Nov-19 11:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 145 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 15:06
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 137 Hanslune 22-Nov-19 15:32
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 152 sfbey 22-Nov-19 18:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 131 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:19
2 responces . . 149 Warwick 22-Nov-19 19:32
Re: 2 responces . . 165 cladking 22-Nov-19 21:14
Re: 2 responces . . 166 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 21:29
Re: 2 responces . . 228 cladking 23-Nov-19 02:14
Deleted the same attempts to get people to respond to him 143 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 04:04
Ah, how rare Cladking hijacking a thread 130 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:18
Re: 2 responces . . 140 Mayavitch 26-Nov-19 22:33
Re: 2 responces . . 107 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 144 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 17:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 142 Merrell 24-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 168 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 13:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 155 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 129 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 146 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:26
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 124 engbren 25-Nov-19 06:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 137 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 150 cladking 25-Nov-19 17:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 212 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 133 Merrell 25-Nov-19 09:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 153 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 137 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 137 Merrell 26-Nov-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 153 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 06:19
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 127 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 05:47
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 116 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 125 Merrell 28-Nov-19 10:25
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 119 Merrell 28-Nov-19 14:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 124 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 125 Merrell 28-Nov-19 17:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 121 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 18:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 120 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 20:20
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 113 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 131 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 00:19
Petrie’s Confusion Problem 174 Dr. Troglodyte 01-Dec-19 19:54
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 185 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:51
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 115 Merrell 02-Dec-19 10:03
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 147 Martin Stower 02-Dec-19 14:38
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 117 Thanos5150 03-Dec-19 16:54
as far as that goes..... 102 Warwick 03-Dec-19 18:20
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 148 Martin Stower 03-Dec-19 19:32
Tunnel vision 528 Warwick 04-Dec-19 20:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 128 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 21:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 114 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 21:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 148 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 22:28
“. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 187 Martin Stower 29-Nov-19 14:50
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 117 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 19:03
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 115 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:44
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 119 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 01:02
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 118 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 05:31
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 124 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 06:11
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 125 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 12:49
From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 132 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 14:38
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 112 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:34
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 119 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 16:57
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 120 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 17:43
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 110 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:31
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 120 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 18:46
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 114 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:55
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 119 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 19:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 105 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:04
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 119 Merrell 30-Nov-19 21:22
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 108 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:12
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 114 Thanos5150 01-Dec-19 00:25
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 113 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 00:54
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 146 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 01:37
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 119 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 116 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:55
Hawass: other possible slips 122 Merrell 01-Dec-19 15:28
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 119 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 19:16
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 97 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:32
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 119 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:38
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 98 Merrell 30-Nov-19 18:14
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 163 Merrell 25-Nov-19 23:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 131 Thanos5150 26-Nov-19 16:38
Infrastructure . 133 Warwick 26-Nov-19 17:29
What Irony? n/t 121 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:05
do TRY being objective 112 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:14
Re: do TRY being objective 131 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:25
so you choose subjective 123 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:49
Re: so you choose subjective 129 cladking 26-Nov-19 23:17
Re: so you choose subjective 136 Warwick 27-Nov-19 02:51
So You Evade the Subject Again. 189 cladking 27-Nov-19 03:43
Re: So You Evade the Subject Again. 102 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:29
Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 102 cladking 27-Nov-19 18:11
Re: Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 114 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:21
Cladking hijacks another thread and makes it about ramps - again 97 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:39
Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 142 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 12:58
Re: Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 104 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:41
A better idea 104 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 18:12
New from K-tel 111 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:16
Re: New from K-tel 113 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 00:08
Re: New from K-tel 129 Lee McGiffen 28-Nov-19 01:46
Re: New from K-tel 237 cladking 28-Nov-19 01:57
Re: New from K-tel 109 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 16:40
Putting this to bed 106 Warwick 28-Nov-19 18:11
Re: so you choose subjective 112 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 19:11
Re: so you choose subjective 99 Warwick 28-Nov-19 20:44
Classic unintended comedy! 155 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 13:04
Re: Infrastructure . 121 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 00:15
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 131 Merrell 26-Nov-19 18:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 114 Merrell 28-Nov-19 22:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 126 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 97 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:26
Ahket . 142 Warwick 25-Nov-19 17:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 175 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 16:27
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 132 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 00:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 123 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 00:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 134 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:08
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 124 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 05:49
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 133 Merrell 25-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 108 seasmith 25-Nov-19 22:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 102 Warwick 25-Nov-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 109 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 103 seasmith 25-Nov-19 23:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 101 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:23
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 124 Martin Stower 26-Nov-19 14:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 107 seasmith 27-Nov-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 123 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 16:59
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 140 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 131 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 17:21
not Graffiti 133 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:47
Re: not Graffiti 142 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 21:51
Monkey see.. 151 Warwick 24-Nov-19 23:40
Re: not Graffiti 164 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 21:58
Please, for God’s sake, . . . 795 Martin Stower 27-Nov-19 19:52
Mods can you stop Cladking from hijacking this thread? 147 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:41
Mod Warning > General OP Hijacking 182 Dr. Troglodyte 28-Nov-19 17:21


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