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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> "An inscription containing his highest regnal
> year, the "Year of the 17th Count of Khufu", first
> mentioned by Flinders Petrie in an 1883 book and
> then lost to historians, was rediscovered by
> Zahi Hawass in 2001 in one of the relieving
> chambers within Khufu's pyramid
".
>
> To resolve the matter we need the primary source.

Hi

I was unaware of the post by M Stower (HoM - later provided by Merrell)
There are a number of good points raised.

One of them is Goyen highlights that Grinsell wrote the inscription was originally thought by Petrie to be in the first RC (ie Davisons?) but declares it is a mistake. (the French part)

If there is one thing we can be certain M Stower would be (was?) completely familiar with all and every inscriptions in RC's recorded by (Vyse/Perring/Hill). If it is not in those records , then where is this inscription?

There are a series of numbers found on the chevrons of Campbell's. I seem to recall SC making a big deal about whether cardinal or ordinal in nature, and claiming the same depiction (you posted) is there. However, such numbers appear to be relating to the order of the slabs nothing to do with king's regnal year. Is it actually accompanied by Gardiner M4 glyph? .

I am guessing but I reckon Hawass is mistakenly, referring to or pointing out, numbers on the CC chevrons and likely assuming there once was, or is, some faint remaining mark, thought to be originally a M4. and assuming that was what Petrie referred to?

I think it is a big stretch you are making to suggest that the Wadi al jarf documents relate to Djedefre or other later king.
As you know there were crew names associated directly to their king elsewhere (eg Drunkards of Menkaure)
Yet the only ones found at Wadi al Jarf refer to Khufu alone.

Also regnal year has to be consistent it is either doubled assuming 2 yr or 1yr single count. They can't as far as I am aware be both? Can someone more knowledgeable give advice please
(I haven't checked but believe I have seen photo's of the papyri al jarf with the bulls head symbol clearly indicating cattle count )

2 cents
Cheers

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Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 1890 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 11:13
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 417 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 11:33
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 390 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 13:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 248 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 20:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 335 Thanos5150 30-Oct-19 16:10
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 315 Warwick 30-Oct-19 20:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 361 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 20:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 278 Corpuscles 31-Oct-19 01:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 326 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 11:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 203 Merrell 22-Nov-19 16:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 308 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 13:34
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 298 PB Bytes 19-Nov-19 00:24
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 241 Thanos5150 19-Nov-19 16:55
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 207 engbren 21-Nov-19 11:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 229 Martin Stower 21-Nov-19 14:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 191 engbren 22-Nov-19 11:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 215 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 15:06
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 197 Hanslune 22-Nov-19 15:32
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 236 sfbey 22-Nov-19 18:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 194 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:19
2 responces . . 199 Warwick 22-Nov-19 19:32
Re: 2 responces . . 220 cladking 22-Nov-19 21:14
Re: 2 responces . . 224 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 21:29
Re: 2 responces . . 296 cladking 23-Nov-19 02:14
Deleted the same attempts to get people to respond to him 203 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 04:04
Ah, how rare Cladking hijacking a thread 183 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:18
Re: 2 responces . . 193 Mayavitch 26-Nov-19 22:33
Re: 2 responces . . 160 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 201 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 17:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 203 Merrell 24-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 231 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 13:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 217 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 190 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 199 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:26
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 179 engbren 25-Nov-19 06:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 194 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 203 cladking 25-Nov-19 17:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 273 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 190 Merrell 25-Nov-19 09:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 210 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 191 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 204 Merrell 26-Nov-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 218 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 06:19
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 184 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 05:47
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 174 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 181 Merrell 28-Nov-19 10:25
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 176 Merrell 28-Nov-19 14:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 184 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 177 Merrell 28-Nov-19 17:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 171 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 18:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 178 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 20:20
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 169 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 184 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 00:19
Petrie’s Confusion Problem 243 Dr. Troglodyte 01-Dec-19 19:54
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 242 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:51
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 172 Merrell 02-Dec-19 10:03
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 202 Martin Stower 02-Dec-19 14:38
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 171 Thanos5150 03-Dec-19 16:54
as far as that goes..... 160 Warwick 03-Dec-19 18:20
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 216 Martin Stower 03-Dec-19 19:32
Tunnel vision 726 Warwick 04-Dec-19 20:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 194 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 21:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 170 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 21:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 221 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 22:28
“. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 266 Martin Stower 29-Nov-19 14:50
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 178 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 19:03
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 168 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:44
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 174 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 01:02
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 174 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 05:31
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 185 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 06:11
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 191 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 12:49
From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 209 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 14:38
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 169 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:34
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 179 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 16:57
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 174 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 17:43
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 167 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:31
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 189 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 18:46
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 173 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:55
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 189 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 19:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 154 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:04
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 172 Merrell 30-Nov-19 21:22
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 157 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:12
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 163 Thanos5150 01-Dec-19 00:25
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 185 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 00:54
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 207 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 01:37
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 188 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 188 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:55
Hawass: other possible slips 179 Merrell 01-Dec-19 15:28
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 179 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 19:16
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 156 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:32
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 181 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:38
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 150 Merrell 30-Nov-19 18:14
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 223 Merrell 25-Nov-19 23:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 189 Thanos5150 26-Nov-19 16:38
Infrastructure . 196 Warwick 26-Nov-19 17:29
What Irony? n/t 185 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:05
do TRY being objective 166 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:14
Re: do TRY being objective 191 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:25
so you choose subjective 181 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:49
Re: so you choose subjective 179 cladking 26-Nov-19 23:17
Re: so you choose subjective 194 Warwick 27-Nov-19 02:51
So You Evade the Subject Again. 255 cladking 27-Nov-19 03:43
Re: So You Evade the Subject Again. 154 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:29
Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 156 cladking 27-Nov-19 18:11
Re: Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 172 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:21
Cladking hijacks another thread and makes it about ramps - again 142 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:39
Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 189 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 12:58
Re: Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 152 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:41
A better idea 161 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 18:12
New from K-tel 173 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:16
Re: New from K-tel 159 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 00:08
Re: New from K-tel 187 Lee McGiffen 28-Nov-19 01:46
Re: New from K-tel 291 cladking 28-Nov-19 01:57
Re: New from K-tel 162 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 16:40
Putting this to bed 157 Warwick 28-Nov-19 18:11
Re: so you choose subjective 155 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 19:11
Re: so you choose subjective 152 Warwick 28-Nov-19 20:44
Classic unintended comedy! 211 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 13:04
Re: Infrastructure . 174 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 00:15
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 187 Merrell 26-Nov-19 18:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 160 Merrell 28-Nov-19 22:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 182 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 145 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:26
Ahket . 191 Warwick 25-Nov-19 17:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 230 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 16:27
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 181 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 00:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 179 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 00:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 185 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:08
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 184 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 05:49
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 187 Merrell 25-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 153 seasmith 25-Nov-19 22:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 153 Warwick 25-Nov-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 162 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 157 seasmith 25-Nov-19 23:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 150 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:23
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 174 Martin Stower 26-Nov-19 14:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 167 seasmith 27-Nov-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 169 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 16:59
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 187 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 185 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 17:21
not Graffiti 187 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:47
Re: not Graffiti 195 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 21:51
Monkey see.. 201 Warwick 24-Nov-19 23:40
Re: not Graffiti 214 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 21:58
Please, for God’s sake, . . . 847 Martin Stower 27-Nov-19 19:52
Mods can you stop Cladking from hijacking this thread? 197 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:41
Mod Warning > General OP Hijacking 237 Dr. Troglodyte 28-Nov-19 17:21


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