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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Merrell Wrote:
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> > I'm afraid I'm unable to read that inscription.
>
> Martin can. So can others. This drawing may be
> from Lepsius, but regardless of any past confusion
> Hawass has verified the existence of something of
> the same in G1.

The point is that the available evidence points to Hawass not being correct on this question - as Martin Stower (who, as you rightly pointed out, can read inscriptions) indicated here:

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I have been puzzled by this ‘year 17’ story for years, as there is no sign of any such date in Vyse/Perring/Hill.

Goyon debunked it in Le secret des bâtisseurs des grandes pyramides: Khéops, first published in 1977.

This is what he wrote in an endnote:
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156. On avait, par erreur, rapporté qu'on avait trouvé la date 17 du règne de Khéops dans la première chambre de décharge de la pyramide de ce roi (Petrie, Hist of Egypt, 1927, 60; Grinsell, Egyptian Pyramids, 1947, 105). En fait, cette date a été trouvée à Dahchour (Lepsius, Denk. II, p. 1).
Early editions of Petrie’s History of Egypt had this (on page 41 in the third edition, 1897):
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The name of the king is found repeatedly written in red paint, among the quarry marks, on the blocks of masonry above the King's chamber; this establishes the traditional attribution of the pyramid. . . .
In the tenth edition (1923), this changed to the following (on page 60):
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The name of the king is found repeatedly written in red paint, with the date of the 17th year on the blocks of masonry above the King's chamber; this establishes the traditional attribution of the pyramid. . . .
Grinsell merely cites Petrie.

Although the year specified in the Lepsius lithograph (at Dashur, not Giza!):

[edoc3.bibliothek.uni-halle.de]

—is 16 rather than 17, I remain persuaded that Goyon is right: Petrie has misattributed a date from elsewhere to Giza, probably through misreading (and misremembering?) the illustration in Lepsius. We may note that Petrie always cites Lepsius for these marks, rather than Vyse/Perring/Hill; this is a pity, as the Lepsius is (to a moral certainty) based on Hill and Perring and not on a new drawing. Close examination of Perring might have dispensed with the error at the outset.

It does not help that Hawass made this part of his routine: “year 17, it was—it’s fading.”

> > However, as pointed out in
this archive post
> > (NB, the first YouTube link is dead), neither
> > Perring nor Reisner/Rowe shows anything
> resembling a date.
> >
> > Nor could I find any mention of the supposed
> > "Khufu and Year 17" question in Gardiner,
> Regnal > > Years and Civil Calendar, JEA 31 (Dec., 1945),
> > 11-28.
>
> Which is all irrelevant though now isn't it if
> Hawass has in fact confirmed it's existence...?

Well: please see comments/discussion above ...

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Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 1783 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 11:13
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 379 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 11:33
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 351 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 13:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 211 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 20:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 301 Thanos5150 30-Oct-19 16:10
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 277 Warwick 30-Oct-19 20:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 321 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 20:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 238 Corpuscles 31-Oct-19 01:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 280 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 11:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 166 Merrell 22-Nov-19 16:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 270 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 13:34
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 261 PB Bytes 19-Nov-19 00:24
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 208 Thanos5150 19-Nov-19 16:55
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 171 engbren 21-Nov-19 11:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 190 Martin Stower 21-Nov-19 14:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 159 engbren 22-Nov-19 11:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 171 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 15:06
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 162 Hanslune 22-Nov-19 15:32
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 182 sfbey 22-Nov-19 18:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 155 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:19
2 responces . . 168 Warwick 22-Nov-19 19:32
Re: 2 responces . . 188 cladking 22-Nov-19 21:14
Re: 2 responces . . 189 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 21:29
Re: 2 responces . . 254 cladking 23-Nov-19 02:14
Deleted the same attempts to get people to respond to him 168 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 04:04
Ah, how rare Cladking hijacking a thread 151 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:18
Re: 2 responces . . 160 Mayavitch 26-Nov-19 22:33
Re: 2 responces . . 128 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 168 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 17:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 168 Merrell 24-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 195 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 13:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 183 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 154 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 165 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:26
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 146 engbren 25-Nov-19 06:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 160 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 170 cladking 25-Nov-19 17:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 234 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 155 Merrell 25-Nov-19 09:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 175 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 157 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 158 Merrell 26-Nov-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 178 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 06:19
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 153 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 05:47
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 141 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 146 Merrell 28-Nov-19 10:25
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 138 Merrell 28-Nov-19 14:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 146 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 145 Merrell 28-Nov-19 17:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 140 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 18:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 143 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 20:20
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 137 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 152 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 00:19
Petrie’s Confusion Problem 202 Dr. Troglodyte 01-Dec-19 19:54
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 205 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:51
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 136 Merrell 02-Dec-19 10:03
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 169 Martin Stower 02-Dec-19 14:38
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 137 Thanos5150 03-Dec-19 16:54
as far as that goes..... 123 Warwick 03-Dec-19 18:20
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 176 Martin Stower 03-Dec-19 19:32
Tunnel vision 553 Warwick 04-Dec-19 20:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 158 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 21:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 136 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 21:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 178 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 22:28
“. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 220 Martin Stower 29-Nov-19 14:50
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 141 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 19:03
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 135 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:44
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 142 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 01:02
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 139 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 05:31
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 150 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 06:11
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 148 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 12:49
From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 164 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 14:38
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 135 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:34
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 141 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 16:57
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 140 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 17:43
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 131 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:31
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 151 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 18:46
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 138 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:55
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 151 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 19:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 122 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:04
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 138 Merrell 30-Nov-19 21:22
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 128 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:12
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 134 Thanos5150 01-Dec-19 00:25
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 146 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 00:54
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 170 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 01:37
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 152 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 151 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:55
Hawass: other possible slips 143 Merrell 01-Dec-19 15:28
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 144 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 19:16
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 120 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:32
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 143 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:38
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 117 Merrell 30-Nov-19 18:14
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 186 Merrell 25-Nov-19 23:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 153 Thanos5150 26-Nov-19 16:38
Infrastructure . 161 Warwick 26-Nov-19 17:29
What Irony? n/t 146 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:05
do TRY being objective 134 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:14
Re: do TRY being objective 156 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:25
so you choose subjective 147 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:49
Re: so you choose subjective 146 cladking 26-Nov-19 23:17
Re: so you choose subjective 161 Warwick 27-Nov-19 02:51
So You Evade the Subject Again. 219 cladking 27-Nov-19 03:43
Re: So You Evade the Subject Again. 125 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:29
Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 124 cladking 27-Nov-19 18:11
Re: Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 139 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:21
Cladking hijacks another thread and makes it about ramps - again 116 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:39
Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 160 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 12:58
Re: Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 125 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:41
A better idea 128 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 18:12
New from K-tel 138 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:16
Re: New from K-tel 132 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 00:08
Re: New from K-tel 159 Lee McGiffen 28-Nov-19 01:46
Re: New from K-tel 261 cladking 28-Nov-19 01:57
Re: New from K-tel 131 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 16:40
Putting this to bed 126 Warwick 28-Nov-19 18:11
Re: so you choose subjective 127 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 19:11
Re: so you choose subjective 121 Warwick 28-Nov-19 20:44
Classic unintended comedy! 178 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 13:04
Re: Infrastructure . 142 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 00:15
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 152 Merrell 26-Nov-19 18:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 131 Merrell 28-Nov-19 22:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 146 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 116 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:26
Ahket . 162 Warwick 25-Nov-19 17:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 197 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 16:27
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 151 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 00:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 144 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 00:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 153 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:08
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 146 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 05:49
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 155 Merrell 25-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 125 seasmith 25-Nov-19 22:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 122 Warwick 25-Nov-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 129 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 126 seasmith 25-Nov-19 23:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 120 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:23
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 147 Martin Stower 26-Nov-19 14:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 133 seasmith 27-Nov-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 141 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 16:59
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 157 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 154 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 17:21
not Graffiti 157 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:47
Re: not Graffiti 163 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 21:51
Monkey see.. 173 Warwick 24-Nov-19 23:40
Re: not Graffiti 185 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 21:58
Please, for God’s sake, . . . 816 Martin Stower 27-Nov-19 19:52
Mods can you stop Cladking from hijacking this thread? 166 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:41
Mod Warning > General OP Hijacking 204 Dr. Troglodyte 28-Nov-19 17:21


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