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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Merrell Wrote:
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> > I'm afraid I'm unable to read that inscription.
>
> Martin can. So can others. This drawing may be
> from Lepsius, but regardless of any past confusion
> Hawass has verified the existence of something of
> the same in G1.

The point is that the available evidence points to Hawass not being correct on this question - as Martin Stower (who, as you rightly pointed out, can read inscriptions) indicated here:

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I have been puzzled by this ‘year 17’ story for years, as there is no sign of any such date in Vyse/Perring/Hill.

Goyon debunked it in Le secret des bâtisseurs des grandes pyramides: Khéops, first published in 1977.

This is what he wrote in an endnote:
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156. On avait, par erreur, rapporté qu'on avait trouvé la date 17 du règne de Khéops dans la première chambre de décharge de la pyramide de ce roi (Petrie, Hist of Egypt, 1927, 60; Grinsell, Egyptian Pyramids, 1947, 105). En fait, cette date a été trouvée à Dahchour (Lepsius, Denk. II, p. 1).
Early editions of Petrie’s History of Egypt had this (on page 41 in the third edition, 1897):
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The name of the king is found repeatedly written in red paint, among the quarry marks, on the blocks of masonry above the King's chamber; this establishes the traditional attribution of the pyramid. . . .
In the tenth edition (1923), this changed to the following (on page 60):
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The name of the king is found repeatedly written in red paint, with the date of the 17th year on the blocks of masonry above the King's chamber; this establishes the traditional attribution of the pyramid. . . .
Grinsell merely cites Petrie.

Although the year specified in the Lepsius lithograph (at Dashur, not Giza!):

[edoc3.bibliothek.uni-halle.de]

—is 16 rather than 17, I remain persuaded that Goyon is right: Petrie has misattributed a date from elsewhere to Giza, probably through misreading (and misremembering?) the illustration in Lepsius. We may note that Petrie always cites Lepsius for these marks, rather than Vyse/Perring/Hill; this is a pity, as the Lepsius is (to a moral certainty) based on Hill and Perring and not on a new drawing. Close examination of Perring might have dispensed with the error at the outset.

It does not help that Hawass made this part of his routine: “year 17, it was—it’s fading.”

> > However, as pointed out in
this archive post
> > (NB, the first YouTube link is dead), neither
> > Perring nor Reisner/Rowe shows anything
> resembling a date.
> >
> > Nor could I find any mention of the supposed
> > "Khufu and Year 17" question in Gardiner,
> Regnal > > Years and Civil Calendar, JEA 31 (Dec., 1945),
> > 11-28.
>
> Which is all irrelevant though now isn't it if
> Hawass has in fact confirmed it's existence...?

Well: please see comments/discussion above ...

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Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 1734 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 11:13
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 353 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 11:33
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 325 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 13:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 190 Barbelo 30-Oct-19 20:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 275 Thanos5150 30-Oct-19 16:10
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 255 Warwick 30-Oct-19 20:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 299 Martin Stower 30-Oct-19 20:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 215 Corpuscles 31-Oct-19 01:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 254 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 11:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 147 Merrell 22-Nov-19 16:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 243 Martin Stower 31-Oct-19 13:34
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 237 PB Bytes 19-Nov-19 00:24
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 186 Thanos5150 19-Nov-19 16:55
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 146 engbren 21-Nov-19 11:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 163 Martin Stower 21-Nov-19 14:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 136 engbren 22-Nov-19 11:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 145 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 15:06
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 139 Hanslune 22-Nov-19 15:32
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 153 sfbey 22-Nov-19 18:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 131 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:19
2 responces . . 149 Warwick 22-Nov-19 19:32
Re: 2 responces . . 166 cladking 22-Nov-19 21:14
Re: 2 responces . . 166 Martin Stower 22-Nov-19 21:29
Re: 2 responces . . 228 cladking 23-Nov-19 02:14
Deleted the same attempts to get people to respond to him 143 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 04:04
Ah, how rare Cladking hijacking a thread 130 Hanslune 23-Nov-19 01:18
Re: 2 responces . . 140 Mayavitch 26-Nov-19 22:33
Re: 2 responces . . 108 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 146 PB Bytes 23-Nov-19 17:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 142 Merrell 24-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 169 Lee McGiffen 24-Nov-19 13:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 155 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:28
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 129 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 146 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:26
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 125 engbren 25-Nov-19 06:36
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 137 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 150 cladking 25-Nov-19 17:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 212 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:02
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 134 Merrell 25-Nov-19 09:54
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 153 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 16:50
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 138 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:45
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 138 Merrell 26-Nov-19 17:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 153 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 06:19
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 127 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 05:47
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 116 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 126 Merrell 28-Nov-19 10:25
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 120 Merrell 28-Nov-19 14:01
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 124 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 17:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 126 Merrell 28-Nov-19 17:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 122 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 18:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 120 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 20:20
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 114 Corpuscles 28-Nov-19 21:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 131 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 00:19
Petrie’s Confusion Problem 174 Dr. Troglodyte 01-Dec-19 19:54
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 185 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:51
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 116 Merrell 02-Dec-19 10:03
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 148 Martin Stower 02-Dec-19 14:38
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 117 Thanos5150 03-Dec-19 16:54
as far as that goes..... 102 Warwick 03-Dec-19 18:20
Re: Petrie’s Confusion Problem 150 Martin Stower 03-Dec-19 19:32
Tunnel vision 528 Warwick 04-Dec-19 20:18
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 130 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 21:05
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 114 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 21:51
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 148 Martin Stower 28-Nov-19 22:28
“. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 188 Martin Stower 29-Nov-19 14:50
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 118 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 19:03
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 116 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:44
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 121 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 01:02
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 118 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 05:31
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 124 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 06:11
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 126 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 12:49
From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 134 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 14:38
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 112 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:34
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 119 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 16:57
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 120 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 17:43
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 110 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:31
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 120 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 18:46
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 114 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 18:55
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 120 Martin Stower 30-Nov-19 19:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 105 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:04
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 120 Merrell 30-Nov-19 21:22
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 108 Corpuscles 30-Nov-19 23:12
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 115 Thanos5150 01-Dec-19 00:25
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 114 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 00:54
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 146 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 01:37
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 120 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:18
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 118 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 14:55
Hawass: other possible slips 123 Merrell 01-Dec-19 15:28
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 120 Martin Stower 01-Dec-19 19:16
Re: From the site of Andrew Bayuk (“Guardian”) 98 Corpuscles 01-Dec-19 23:32
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 119 Thanos5150 30-Nov-19 16:38
Re: “. . . lost until Zahi Hawass found it . . .” 99 Merrell 30-Nov-19 18:14
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 164 Merrell 25-Nov-19 23:57
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 131 Thanos5150 26-Nov-19 16:38
Infrastructure . 134 Warwick 26-Nov-19 17:29
What Irony? n/t 122 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:05
do TRY being objective 113 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:14
Re: do TRY being objective 131 cladking 26-Nov-19 20:25
so you choose subjective 123 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:49
Re: so you choose subjective 129 cladking 26-Nov-19 23:17
Re: so you choose subjective 138 Warwick 27-Nov-19 02:51
So You Evade the Subject Again. 190 cladking 27-Nov-19 03:43
Re: So You Evade the Subject Again. 102 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:29
Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 102 cladking 27-Nov-19 18:11
Re: Egyptologists Couldn't Find a Ramp with Both Hands. 114 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:21
Cladking hijacks another thread and makes it about ramps - again 97 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:39
Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 142 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 12:58
Re: Cladking logic: If you disagree with me you are an Egyptologist! 104 Warwick 27-Nov-19 17:41
A better idea 104 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 18:12
New from K-tel 113 Warwick 27-Nov-19 18:16
Re: New from K-tel 113 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 00:08
Re: New from K-tel 130 Lee McGiffen 28-Nov-19 01:46
Re: New from K-tel 237 cladking 28-Nov-19 01:57
Re: New from K-tel 109 Hanslune 28-Nov-19 16:40
Putting this to bed 106 Warwick 28-Nov-19 18:11
Re: so you choose subjective 112 Thanos5150 28-Nov-19 19:11
Re: so you choose subjective 99 Warwick 28-Nov-19 20:44
Classic unintended comedy! 156 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 13:04
Re: Infrastructure . 121 Thanos5150 27-Nov-19 00:15
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 132 Merrell 26-Nov-19 18:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 115 Merrell 28-Nov-19 22:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 126 Thanos5150 29-Nov-19 03:37
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 99 Merrell 29-Nov-19 20:26
Ahket . 142 Warwick 25-Nov-19 17:56
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 176 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 16:27
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 132 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 00:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 123 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 00:53
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 134 Thanos5150 25-Nov-19 02:08
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 124 Hanslune 25-Nov-19 05:49
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 135 Merrell 25-Nov-19 10:12
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 108 seasmith 25-Nov-19 22:09
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 102 Warwick 25-Nov-19 22:31
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 110 Merrell 25-Nov-19 22:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 104 seasmith 25-Nov-19 23:11
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 101 Warwick 26-Nov-19 20:23
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 124 Martin Stower 26-Nov-19 14:35
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 107 seasmith 27-Nov-19 02:48
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 123 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 16:59
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 140 Thanos5150 24-Nov-19 14:07
Re: Mainstream endorsement of Creighton’s HOAX . . . 131 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 17:21
not Graffiti 133 Warwick 24-Nov-19 19:47
Re: not Graffiti 142 Hanslune 24-Nov-19 21:51
Monkey see.. 152 Warwick 24-Nov-19 23:40
Re: not Graffiti 164 PB Bytes 24-Nov-19 21:58
Please, for God’s sake, . . . 795 Martin Stower 27-Nov-19 19:52
Mods can you stop Cladking from hijacking this thread? 147 Hanslune 27-Nov-19 23:41
Mod Warning > General OP Hijacking 184 Dr. Troglodyte 28-Nov-19 17:21


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