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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> Merrell Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Fragments of an accounts papyrus found at the
> site
> > (location G2, US 2015) bear the date of the
> 13th
> > cattle-count of Khufu (Tallet, MIFAO 136, 2017:
> > 3).
>
> WTF? In a post
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,11
> 74218,1174340#msg-1174340]TO YOU[/url]
> [quote]Ankhhaf (son of Sneferu), mentioned in
> Merer's Diary, is an interesting fellow who it
> appears died sometime during the reign of Khafre.
> A reassessment of the building of his mastaba
> G7510, the largest at Giza, suggests it was begun
> at the end of Khufu's reign in which construction
> continued though the reign of Khafre. The date
> given for the Merer Diary, the 13th cattle count,
> or "(26th) 27th year of Khufu's reign", does not
> actually come from Merer's Diary but rather some
> administrative document fragments found nearby.
> According to Tallet:
> [quote]“This diary,” write Tallet and
> Marouard, “found in the same archaeological
> context as the administrative accounts dating to
> regnal Year 27, highlights two major facts: it
> confirms that Ankh-haf was effectively vizier and
> in charge of some of the final steps of the
> construction of the Great Pyramid at Giza, and it
> verifies that the pyramid was clearly at a final
> stage of the construction project at the very end
> of the Khufu’s reign.”[/quote]
>
> So, these other documents
"Other documents"?
Merer's logbook, covering a period of 6-10 months (14), probably consisted of 5 rolls of papyrus: papyri A, B, C, D, and E (28). These had to be reassembled from the 400-800 fragments that were found at G1 and G2 (27).
Papyrus A, relatively well preserved, records several return trips between Turah and the Great Pyramid (although not specifically mentioning deliveries of stone), and to other work being carried out at Ro She Khufu. Papyrus B is the best preserved, and deals exclusively with transport of limestone blocks from Turah to the Great Pyramid. Both papyri were apparently by the same author (31).
The representations of the cartouche name of Khufu are more detailed in A (e.g., AI, 10b; 6a; 8b; 5a [Tab. 4]) than B (e.g., BII 6b; 8a; 28a; 3b). It is suggested that perhaps the writer just got more used to writing it as time went on.
(A number of accounts papyri were found at G7 and G17 [5]).
mention a "13th cattle
> count", but I see no verification they mention
> Khufu by name and the only reason this is assumed
> to be Khufu's reign is, for one, the
> "archaeological context" it is found which I'd
> like to know what this is exactly that would place
> it specifically in Khufu's reign, but more
> importantly that it is also assumed the work
> performed at Akhet-Khufu, the G1 pyramid complex
> and not the necessarily the pyramid itself, was
> being performed by Ankhhaf during Khufu's reign.
> Here's the rub-there is no verification Ankhhaf
> was vizier under Khufu in which Reisner among
> others thought he was actually vizier under
> Khafre. If we consider the year of Djedfre's reign
> in the Khufu boat pit being the 11th cattle count,
> it is no great stretch considering Ankhhaf was
> alive perhaps even working as a vizier under
> Khafre that this may be reffering to the 13th
> cattle count of Djedfre's reign, not Khufu-a time
> when the boat pits and peripheral structures were
> being built after G1 had been completed.[/quote]
>
> Repeated in this thread yesterday
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,12
> 09062,1212500#msg-1212500]HERE.[/url]
> And part of many arguments here:
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,11
> 65804]G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre[/url]
>
> Where in these documents, again not part of the
> Merer Diary, is Khufu's name mentioned at all let
> alone in conjunction with the cattle count? It
> doesn't. Tallet makes this inference because of
> the "context" he believes is the reign of Khufu.
> But what make no sense is despite knowing better
> you still repeat it here as if it does.
>
> > Given the presence of the other evidence just
> > mentioned, it's fairly safe to infer that the
> > cargo transported by Merer and his crew was
> > intended for a major construction at the
> funerary
> > complex of Akhet-Khufu.
>
> How does the presence of Khufu's name on a block
> and an ambiguous 13th cattle count on a document
> "infer that the cargo transported by Merer and his
> crew was intended for major construction at the
> funerary complex of Akhet-Khufu"? Weird.
>
> Regardless, as has been said many times now, there
> are many other projects at Akhet-Khufu than G1,
> either as a single job or as a whole, that
> required large amounts of Tura limestone.
I'm merely reporting what I found in the description (as I did in several posts last year). If this is not detailed enough for your purposes, then I suggest that you either approach the archaeologists direct, or read Tallet 2017 yourself.
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> Merrell Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Fragments of an accounts papyrus found at the
> site
> > (location G2, US 2015) bear the date of the
> 13th
> > cattle-count of Khufu (Tallet, MIFAO 136, 2017:
> > 3).
>
> WTF? In a post
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,11
> 74218,1174340#msg-1174340]TO YOU[/url]
> [quote]Ankhhaf (son of Sneferu), mentioned in
> Merer's Diary, is an interesting fellow who it
> appears died sometime during the reign of Khafre.
> A reassessment of the building of his mastaba
> G7510, the largest at Giza, suggests it was begun
> at the end of Khufu's reign in which construction
> continued though the reign of Khafre. The date
> given for the Merer Diary, the 13th cattle count,
> or "(26th) 27th year of Khufu's reign", does not
> actually come from Merer's Diary but rather some
> administrative document fragments found nearby.
> According to Tallet:
> [quote]“This diary,” write Tallet and
> Marouard, “found in the same archaeological
> context as the administrative accounts dating to
> regnal Year 27, highlights two major facts: it
> confirms that Ankh-haf was effectively vizier and
> in charge of some of the final steps of the
> construction of the Great Pyramid at Giza, and it
> verifies that the pyramid was clearly at a final
> stage of the construction project at the very end
> of the Khufu’s reign.”[/quote]
>
> So, these other documents
"Other documents"?
Merer's logbook, covering a period of 6-10 months (14), probably consisted of 5 rolls of papyrus: papyri A, B, C, D, and E (28). These had to be reassembled from the 400-800 fragments that were found at G1 and G2 (27).
Papyrus A, relatively well preserved, records several return trips between Turah and the Great Pyramid (although not specifically mentioning deliveries of stone), and to other work being carried out at Ro She Khufu. Papyrus B is the best preserved, and deals exclusively with transport of limestone blocks from Turah to the Great Pyramid. Both papyri were apparently by the same author (31).
The representations of the cartouche name of Khufu are more detailed in A (e.g., AI, 10b; 6a; 8b; 5a [Tab. 4]) than B (e.g., BII 6b; 8a; 28a; 3b). It is suggested that perhaps the writer just got more used to writing it as time went on.
(A number of accounts papyri were found at G7 and G17 [5]).
mention a "13th cattle
> count", but I see no verification they mention
> Khufu by name and the only reason this is assumed
> to be Khufu's reign is, for one, the
> "archaeological context" it is found which I'd
> like to know what this is exactly that would place
> it specifically in Khufu's reign, but more
> importantly that it is also assumed the work
> performed at Akhet-Khufu, the G1 pyramid complex
> and not the necessarily the pyramid itself, was
> being performed by Ankhhaf during Khufu's reign.
> Here's the rub-there is no verification Ankhhaf
> was vizier under Khufu in which Reisner among
> others thought he was actually vizier under
> Khafre. If we consider the year of Djedfre's reign
> in the Khufu boat pit being the 11th cattle count,
> it is no great stretch considering Ankhhaf was
> alive perhaps even working as a vizier under
> Khafre that this may be reffering to the 13th
> cattle count of Djedfre's reign, not Khufu-a time
> when the boat pits and peripheral structures were
> being built after G1 had been completed.[/quote]
>
> Repeated in this thread yesterday
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,12
> 09062,1212500#msg-1212500]HERE.[/url]
> And part of many arguments here:
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,11
> 65804]G1 and the Boat Pits of Djedefre[/url]
>
> Where in these documents, again not part of the
> Merer Diary, is Khufu's name mentioned at all let
> alone in conjunction with the cattle count? It
> doesn't. Tallet makes this inference because of
> the "context" he believes is the reign of Khufu.
> But what make no sense is despite knowing better
> you still repeat it here as if it does.
>
> > Given the presence of the other evidence just
> > mentioned, it's fairly safe to infer that the
> > cargo transported by Merer and his crew was
> > intended for a major construction at the
> funerary
> > complex of Akhet-Khufu.
>
> How does the presence of Khufu's name on a block
> and an ambiguous 13th cattle count on a document
> "infer that the cargo transported by Merer and his
> crew was intended for major construction at the
> funerary complex of Akhet-Khufu"? Weird.
>
> Regardless, as has been said many times now, there
> are many other projects at Akhet-Khufu than G1,
> either as a single job or as a whole, that
> required large amounts of Tura limestone.
I'm merely reporting what I found in the description (as I did in several posts last year). If this is not detailed enough for your purposes, then I suggest that you either approach the archaeologists direct, or read Tallet 2017 yourself.
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